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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 2017 at 10:25
I don't feel the need to defend every single operation conducted inside MM. But, since the idea is being presented that we actively chose to target a player already embroiled in a war, it seems prudent to make an exception in this case. 

As already stated, Tcol has approached all non-confederated players inside MM with the request to relocate to another location. There are typically three kinds of responses. 

1. The player does not read IGMs at all and no dialogue can be opened. They are removed.
2. The player expresses regret but a willingness to comply. A timetable and support are arranged. 
3. The player outright refuses to move or becomes hostile. Removed with extreme prejudice.

By far the majority of all players contacted fall in category 2. The specific case with the Aesir member in question was not so easily defined. Aesir leadership (Hucbold) promptly agreed to remove the cities. So promptly in fact that he forgot to consult the player to whom they belonged. The player was naturally frustrated and at first refused to move, then started parallel negotiations to those conducted (and finished) with his leadership. 

We were patient and well-willing in our dealings with this Aesir member, who offered all sorts of solutions. After a while, these negotiations, being devoid of any practical application, got the distinct feeling of being insincere and aimed at stalling more than at a shared desire to work out an amicable solution. At this point, the players 2 cities inside MM were removed, completely unopposed by Aesir (who had after all signed off on their removal from our territory). 

Nothing more is to be said about the case. It was not a deliberate targetting of a player at war, but rather an unfortunate case of miscommunication between an Aesir member and his leadership. One could argue that the ongoing war between Aesir and other alliances has put an unhealthy amount of stress on their leadership, and that somehow this stress has affected their ability to communicate clearly with their membership, but that contemplation would fall outside the scope of this topic. 

I will permit myself one personal note. @Huc - Despite the good humour with which she has taken the comment herself, I feel it is totally unacceptable to call Zenorra a psycho. She is, by far, a more competent (and stable) leader than you have shown yourself to be. 


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Psycho? I like being Psycho it's kinda fun. We send mails asking people to move, even offer to help them if they agreed but when someone refuses we will act and act we did.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zenorra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 22:11
I have the mails that prove he refused to move from Mal Motsha, and that he had no idea you (Hucbold) volunteered him to move.

I was not complaining about his attacks, he can't hurt us with his pathetic little armies. He makes good practice and training for my members. 

"Bone of contention"?! Oh, woe is me.

"Psycho"?! Meh, okay. I've been called worse.
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The game mechanics are not going to change to suit your carebear needs. Now. Go suck it up butter cup.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ten Kulch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 21:09
Zenorra, Grom, and Lord Zeal have represented themselves well on these forums. I find it hard to believe a story where all three of them engage in "psycho" behavior unprovoked.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hucbold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 20:25
Originally posted by Zenorra Zenorra wrote:

@Dessembrae

There was a lot of communication with the Aesir player as well as Hucbold prior to any action being taken. 

Grom was saying that we have been communicating with all yellow players within Mal Motsha and we are working with them on their move. There is a lot of things going on that doesn't involve sieging, and that does not show up in the Herald. You should not try to make observations that you know nothing about.

Zenorra, you're a psycho. We agreed to move the player involved although there was no reason we had to and then you attacked him before he could do so. He had been there for years, was on agreeable terms with his neighbours, ws no threat to anybody and you're now complaining that he's attacking you back. It is illogical, unreasonable and will remain a bone of contention between us. 
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@Dessembrae

There was a lot of communication with the Aesir player as well as Hucbold prior to any action being taken. 

Grom was saying that we have been communicating with all yellow players within Mal Motsha and we are working with them on their move. There is a lot of things going on that doesn't involve sieging, and that does not show up in the Herald. You should not try to make observations that you know nothing about.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 17:49
Originally posted by Dessembrae Dessembrae wrote:

Originally posted by Grom Grom wrote:

I can only speak for Elgea. We (Tcol) consider our landclaim to be absolute. In accordance with that view, we reserve the right to remove any and all cities that are not green from MM (regardless of how long they have been there). We have not attacked anyone without communication, and have displayed willingness to work with anyone who volunteers to leave peacefully. 

I do not believe that our actions will cause anyone to abandon unless they are already strongly contemplating to do so based on their own reasons. I do believe that taking strategic actions in a sandbox game engages the player base, keeps them active, and ultimately helps in maintaining a healthy and entertaining experience for the majority of the community.


That is very funny, As far as I know the only attack you guys launched was at an AESIR player since they are all ready involved in another war, I am still waiting to see you guys strike some of those players in your land claim from large alliances that are not currently involved in anything and see what you got.
 No need for you to waste your time replying, just making an observation.

"We reserve the right to remove any and all cities that are not green from MM"

We reserve the right to do so at our own leisure, and according to our own policies. Now quit stirring the pot without informing yourself first, Aga. It is unbecoming. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dessembrae Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 17:36
Originally posted by Grom Grom wrote:

I can only speak for Elgea. We (Tcol) consider our landclaim to be absolute. In accordance with that view, we reserve the right to remove any and all cities that are not green from MM (regardless of how long they have been there). We have not attacked anyone without communication, and have displayed willingness to work with anyone who volunteers to leave peacefully. 

I do not believe that our actions will cause anyone to abandon unless they are already strongly contemplating to do so based on their own reasons. I do believe that taking strategic actions in a sandbox game engages the player base, keeps them active, and ultimately helps in maintaining a healthy and entertaining experience for the majority of the community.


That is very funny, As far as I know the only attack you guys launched was at an AESIR player since they are all ready involved in another war, I am still waiting to see you guys strike some of those players in your land claim from large alliances that are not currently involved in anything and see what you got.
 No need for you to waste your time replying, just making an observation.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ten Kulch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 16:17
Originally posted by Hucbold Hucbold wrote:

Ten implicitly denies its happening and demands proof while Gragnog gives the game away. ... Ten Kulch is either ill-informed or another deliberate face of the sinner's propaganda.

This may come as a revelation to you, but I am not Gragnog's nanny. Loki isn't required to seek permission from 300, nor vice versa. We are comrades who collaborate on shared goals like defeating major opponents and maintaining the security of Fellandire. Grag doesn't tell us how to run our projects like Thunderdome or the EE-300 war, and we don't tell him how to conduct his business, either.

I have not been monitoring the tension between Loki and FAM. It doesn't have a direct effect on 300, so frankly it's none of my business. If that makes me ill informed, so be it. I don't have to agree with all of Loki's projects or even know about them. I respect their right to act unilaterally whenever it suits them, as long as it doesn't compromise 300 objectives, and vice versa.
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