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    Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 07:27
If you are in the war and you send your forces to another city or alliance to run from retribution, expect it. We are seeing a lot of this... Leaving your alliance because you are in our areas is not an escape from the treatment that our allies are being treated to up North...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 07:32
Another point:

The Axis is wiping players out up North. We don't want to do this, but... we can NOT allow these players to just leave their alliances and make us "trust them" that we won't be hammered by magic attacks or future attacks...

Our players up North are getting exterminated, so... sorry to all you (frankly wonderful) folks that lived next to us in the South.

But we can not let potential enemies live next to us when your allies are on a policy of extinction up North...

This is an open letter to you. Leave now or suffer the same as our folks are up North...

At least we are giving you notice. Nobody gave our folks notice...

We did not choose to make this into a regional war, The Axis did. And you are seeing them rejoicing in destroying cities from outlying cities and/or players who don't play a lot who can't move their cities quickly...

I will not comment upon what the results will be. You will see the results...





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Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

Another point:

The Axis is wiping players out up North. We don't want to do this, but... we can NOT allow these players to just leave their alliances and make us "trust them" that we won't be hammered by magic attacks or future attacks...

Our players up North are getting exterminated, so... sorry to all you (frankly wonderful) folks that lived next to us in the South.

But we can not let potential enemies live next to us when your allies are on a policy of extinction up North...

This is an open letter to you. Leave now or suffer the same as our folks are up North...

At least we are giving you notice. Nobody gave our folks notice...

We did not choose to make this into a regional war, The Axis did. And you are seeing them rejoicing in destroying cities from outlying cities and/or players who don't play a lot who can't move their cities quickly...

What you have done in the North is wrong, in our opinion. We have never, ever done this in this game.

The Coalition has never had a regional clearing mandate... And you are doing it now... If you want to make this game regional, so be it... we have never, ever taken more than 4 cities from a single person, and you are... you are making this an extermination thing...

so be it... If anyone has ever had a doubt of who is making this more like Travian, then stop right here...

You have chosen a path of wiping people out and forcing folks into regions... Your choice.

Live with it.

We shall fight by your rules now. (even if we do so, we'll probably be far more lenient, because I don't think a single one of the Coalition Member Alliances will do to a player what you all are doing).

I will not comment upon what the results will be. You will see the results...





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 09:06
Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

Another point:

The Axis is wiping players out up North. We don't want to do this, but... we can NOT allow these players to just leave their alliances and make us "trust them" that we won't be hammered by magic attacks or future attacks...

Our players up North are getting exterminated, so... sorry to all you (frankly wonderful) folks that lived next to us in the South.

But we can not let potential enemies live next to us when your allies are on a policy of extinction up North...



They are choosing to die, you can find an alliance of players from Trivium that *accepted* they were losing and left the war.  Are you really suggesting that EE and Ncrow should just back off Trivium because it's leaders are too proud or stupid to accept they lost?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 09:07
Are you stating what the rules are?
Or are you changing Honored Mules "Harmless Wartime Policy Announcement"?
Are there more parts to come?
Do you speak for the entire coalition?

There's worse blokes than me!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 10:30
I think that he also might be talking about a fair number of people in the fremorn region which are being pummeled. Most likely they do not want to do a personal surrender.

However if people are getting wipe out just because they are in a bad location or for fear of them attacking later, and noone wants to accept a personal surrender anymore for revenge or just because, then i urge you all to start sending those mails and figure out a solution BEFORE the hate becomes to deep and it all comes down to wiping out the other part. If we end up with one side having 80 % of all military power and even the tournament loot are just decide on a small meeting then this game surely will be dead.

A simple solution would be a make a commen alliance where anyone who is in a bad spot can ask to join. This person is then out of the war UNTIL the person has moved all cities and under the rule of not being allowed to build in any city until all is moved. Then the person can join in again. This might seem stupid to allow a combatant to rejoin the war but it will be at a heavy reduced state and it will work BOTH ways. Then all can have a chance and noone needs to be wiped out however sad it will be to have all cities reduced.

I am sure you guys can come up with something along these lines or better but please do it fast and give all people of this game and the game itself a chance to live on.

Dont let it end in one big pile of hate and revenge.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 11:22
Originally posted by HATHALDIR HATHALDIR wrote:

Are you stating what the rules are?
Or are you changing Honored Mules "Harmless Wartime Policy Announcement"?
Are there more parts to come?
Do you speak for the entire coalition?



Oh come on Hath....  RULES are rules, Kumo is merely clarifying how everyone must play the game.

This is what he does and this is one of the main reasons for this war.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 11:28
Originally posted by Elanor Elanor wrote:

I think that he also might be talking about a fair number of people in the fremorn region which are being pummeled. Most likely they do not want to do a personal surrender.

However if people are getting wipe out just because they are in a bad location or for fear of them attacking later, and noone wants to accept a personal surrender anymore for revenge or just because, then i urge you all to start sending those mails and figure out a solution BEFORE the hate becomes to deep and it all comes down to wiping out the other part. If we end up with one side having 80 % of all military power and even the tournament loot are just decide on a small meeting then this game surely will be dead.

A simple solution would be a make a commen alliance where anyone who is in a bad spot can ask to join. This person is then out of the war UNTIL the person has moved all cities and under the rule of not being allowed to build in any city until all is moved. Then the person can join in again. This might seem stupid to allow a combatant to rejoin the war but it will be at a heavy reduced state and it will work BOTH ways. Then all can have a chance and noone needs to be wiped out however sad it will be to have all cities reduced.

I am sure you guys can come up with something along these lines or better but please do it fast and give all people of this game and the game itself a chance to live on.

Dont let it end in one big pile of hate and revenge.


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This is more or less what we have enabled with the TVM members that wanted out of the war, only we are not forcing them to exo all the cities as you seem to have described (this seems a bit harsh, for those that do not want to fight).

From our side we have always presented 'escape' options for members of our opposition and I hope we will continue to do so, however from what Kumo has presented here, it seems H are not so forgiving, in this light I doubt that we will continue to be so forgiving ourselves toward their allies as this war progresses.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 11:48
The Grand Alliance is, in my experience, more than happy to come to terms with any individual player, regardless of their geographical location.  None of us are looking to wipe people out, anywhere.  Every single player has the opportunity for peace.  We can't unilaterally end wars with any practicality.  If players aren't willing to work toward peace, we don't really have a lot of options.  Yes, both sides are focusing their offensives where they are strong and their opposition is weak, because DUH.  The Devs made this a regional world, by Design, not any player actions.  

As a quick factual point, the Coalition has absolutely destroyed entire accounts.  It is pretty well documented.  The fact that you did it to people you don't like is pretty much irrelevant.  

Elanor, I doubt we will ever see such a skewed political situation as you describe.  Certainly not in the foreseeable future.  The fate of the game is, I assure you, in no way in the balance.  As far as your idea goes, the major impracticality is that anything like that would have to be agreed on by all members of two very large and diverse factions, which is hugely unlikely from my experience.  I agree that certain people could do with reigning in their hatred a bit, and not letting it cloud their rationality.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 13:31
While we have destroyed an innumerable number of "your" towns, we off surrender and exit from the war no matter your location.  Furthermore, we do not or would never require you to completely exit a region.  On the other hand, this threat has been handed down to us on several occasions, and TCol even goes so far to tell people leaving their alliance that they must leave "TCol lands".

Just ask surrendered parties how they are treated and you will find the situation is not what H? describes.  I know losing is a hard pill to swallow, but man up a little guys.  If you want out then surrender.  If you continue saying that we will fight to the death then keep dying like you are.  Either way just deal with it.
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