Ropa's Tourney

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Brand...I had to send massive individual scouts to Boomerex in order to get the scout report I needed....granted I was a little late on the draw.  You have to admit that this is a genuine technique.  The point of this next one is to get players to see the benefits of building diplos and using them instead of concentrating on sole military building.  Critique the rules if you like...I'm not offended by your thoughts and Ideas on it.  Any good idea in general should be considered.  It is being hosted by myself and several good friends.  Play if you like or dont play if you dont like the rules.  Just keep in mind that this is several weeks away from fruition and I'm still looking for alliances to sign up.

:edited to thank Rill for pointing that technique out.

Edited by ropadope - 29 Nov 2013 at 17:42

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ropadope Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Greenhorn Joined: 14 Nov 2012 Location: Yes Status: Offline Points: 65	Topic: Ropa's Tourney Posted: 29 Nov 2013 at 17:23
	Brand...I had to send massive individual scouts to Boomerex in order to get the scout report I needed....granted I was a little late on the draw. You have to admit that this is a genuine technique. The point of this next one is to get players to see the benefits of building diplos and using them instead of concentrating on sole military building. Critique the rules if you like...I'm not offended by your thoughts and Ideas on it. Any good idea in general should be considered. It is being hosted by myself and several good friends. Play if you like or dont play if you dont like the rules. Just keep in mind that this is several weeks away from fruition and I'm still looking for alliances to sign up. :edited to thank Rill for pointing that technique out. Edited by ropadope - 29 Nov 2013 at 17:42

Brandmeister Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Location: Laoshin Status: Offline Points: 2396	Posted: 29 Nov 2013 at 16:21
	Rill, when I've tried it, the scout swarm has rarely worked with 20 scouts. It's more like a 50% chance at 50, and a 66% chance at 100. I've had 100 fail several times. I used it many times during the siege exercise. It seemed that when a city (probably) had a meaningful number of defending scouts, your chances on that technique went way down.

Rill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Player Council - Geographer Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903	Posted: 29 Nov 2013 at 09:18
	It would be unnecessary to pour thousands of scouts and assassins into the effort. Once a rune is down, then the most expedient method would be to send multiple one-scout and one-assassin missions. About one in twenty will randomly succeed. (Some say this number is as low as one in one hundred, but I've had decent results from using 20 as a base number.) During wartime, this has the additional advantage as being annoying to someone who has to read a lot of diplo spam (or to decide to delete it without reading it). Until changes are made to mechanics of diplomatic units, single-unit spam is the most cost-effective method for scouting, spying and assassination. It is essentially impossible to beat it. Personally I think this is a bit unfortunate since a method that is completely predictable (over large enough numbers) ends up being far less interesting. Then again perhaps this is the "reward" for people who are willing to either think of this or learn from someone else who has thought of it and also to spend the time clicking to send all the units.

Daufer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Warrior Joined: 14 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 332	Posted: 29 Nov 2013 at 09:06
	So... you would have to scout every city in the opposing alliances to figure out which two towns. If every town sets a ward against scouts you lose at least 400 scouts per city times maybe a thousand cities. Not to mention any losses their defending scouts may inflict. Sounds expensive. Once the correct cities are discovered and you have a target, then you can send assassins. Meanwhile the target city resets its runes to kill 400 assassins and their whole alliance piles defensive diplos in as reinforcements, so you end up sacrificing many hundreds if not thousands of assassins trying to kill one commander, who may get lucky enough with defy death or whichever talent it is to survive a few waves of assassins who make it through the defense. Also very expensive. Is the target commander required to remain in that city with his army, or can he hide out in the countryside? If he can hide then not only will you be dealing with the runes and defenders once, but possibly multiple times trying to catch him at home. Very, very expensive. Then assuming you eventually succeed, only then are you allowed to send a siege, which an entire alliance will be focused on breaking? If I'm reading this right it sounds mainly like an operation which is guaranteed to cost many thousands of spies, many thousands of assassins, and probably hundreds of thousands of troops. There had better be one heck of a price payout at the end.

Brandmeister Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Location: Laoshin Status: Offline Points: 2396	Posted: 29 Nov 2013 at 04:08
	Perhaps I'm being naive, but what's going to stop the participants from setting a Rune of Intentions vs. Assassins for 400 charges, building lots of assassins to defend, and then loading the city with additional diplomatic reinforcement assassins? If you aren't allowed to use scouts, then it seems pretty easy to defend against assassins. We had the same thing during the eCrow vs Dark Blight siege exercise. Assassins, scouts and spies were the only allowed diplomats. Many people just set their runes against assassins.

Nikon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Greenhorn Joined: 03 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 69	Posted: 29 Nov 2013 at 02:23
	wouldnt you need the uber mass utilization of diplomats anyway to see into sad city to see which commander it is, anyway?

jcx Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Warrior Joined: 09 Oct 2013 Location: Tallimar Status: Offline Points: 281	Posted: 29 Nov 2013 at 02:06
	Great work ROpadope.. this would be fun and exciting.

abstractdream Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Location: Oarnamly Status: Offline Points: 1857	Posted: 28 Nov 2013 at 20:13
	That sounds like a great idea. Good luck!
	Bonfyr Verboo

ropadope Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Greenhorn Joined: 14 Nov 2012 Location: Yes Status: Offline Points: 65	Posted: 28 Nov 2013 at 17:05
	It's to force the utilization of diplomats...not just send massive siege armies to said city...you have to figure out which city is the target first. The assassination is just a special added fun in order to add extra diplomat usage. Just good clean fun man...that's all. I do see your point tho...That Idea would simplify things. The details and preferences are not set in stone...once we get the player base set...the rules are open to modification. Edited by ropadope - 28 Nov 2013 at 17:13

Brandmeister Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Location: Laoshin Status: Offline Points: 2396	Posted: 28 Nov 2013 at 17:02
	I don't understand the thing about the commanders. Is their purpose to secretly designate which city can be sieged? If yes, then why do they have to be assassinated? It seems like you could designate the city more easily just by having an army (with or without troops and commanders) with a special name. An empty army cannot be destroyed.