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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 16:37
IT would be interesting to see if everyone (not just the consone/H? conflict), but everyone was to stop all conflicts, whether the DEVS would throw a tantrum..or even better a war with the DEV v ALL alliances.
 
just a humourous thought.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 17:09
Originally posted by Rasak Rasak wrote:

Thanks for you well thought out response Khells,
I fail to see how H? are the ones considered to be in charge of this. If Rhy and Absa find a way to declare peace I'm sure everyone will back off. Yet everyone is acting like H? is the one holding the cards.

On the other hand:

RHY has military backing from H? and supposedly knew it going into this altercation  The odds of RHY losing anything are minimal, even microscopic.  The benefits of continuing to let H? smash their local rival are quite attractive.  Why, so long as H? is involved, would RHY ever want to talk peace?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 17:14
Originally posted by Starry Starry wrote:

Originally posted by Joscelin Joscelin wrote:

I have been giving this whole situation some thought since day one or even earlier.
Many of you say this is all over a silly Trove mine, which in itself is slightly ridiculous since Trove mines are a dime a dozen and to date don't even have a use.
 
Now if this had been a Silversteel mine which as i understand there are only 5 in all of Illy and they makes the best crafted armor and weapons in the game, I would have to agree it was defiately over a mine.
 
Which brings me to my next thought why all of a sudden after what 2 years of existance do the Devs release Trade V2 and only have 5 Silversteel mines, perhaps it's a plot by the Devs to instigate a world war.

+1 The Devs could have released Trade 2.0 any number of ways to prevent conflict, they did not.  I have to agree with Joscelin, Trade 2.0 was designed for conflict.  

Agreed, the Devs have stated any number of times that they want to see more "friction" in the game.  It amazes me how people have bent over backward to define friction as everything but conflict.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:14
Originally posted by LordOfTheSwamp LordOfTheSwamp wrote:

... this Concone evil ...
when next Consone town will be razed: Concone Op 9 No 12


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:15
Originally posted by Llyorn Of Jaensch Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Damage Mr Damage wrote:

Troop numbers is a more important ( not the only measure I know) calculation of strength but we both aren't going to reveal that now are we. Back to my point though population is not an accurate depiction currently.


Well in light of Consone and Harmless publicising their respective troop strength, Ill go with population.

Crazy ol me.

Since H? is a self-identified military alliance staffed by a number of very large players, let us assume (quite reasonably) that their military strength is very high in relation to total population.

Consone is a cluster of alliances, some larger and some smaller, some militant and some peaceful, with players ranging from very tiny to quite large, who have already consumed quite a few of their troops in the tournament and in many cases may not have bothered with huge armies in the first place.  After all, Illy is a peaceful game where no one attacks anyone else, who needs troops?  So let's say their military strength is "average" for their size, maybe a bit low since so many troops died in the tourney.

South Korea is an industrialized trading country with a population of 50 million and an active military of 650,000.  Their neighbor North Korea has a population of only 25 million, half as large, but they also have the 4th largest army in the world with 1.1 million on active duty and close to 8 million in reserves.  If a war comes and no one else intervenes, who wins?  Big South Korea?  I don't think so.

And before someone jumps on this, I'm not comparing H? to North Korea politically or socially.  They have much better leadership, their members are clearly thrilled to be in H? and the limited interactions I have had with H? members have been peaceful and pleasant.  Maybe it's because I am too small to be a threat, or maybe those guys are just decent people, but either way I've found these H? members to be more understanding and easier to deal with than some of my neighbors.  I'm just making the point the biggest population isn't necessarily the strongest military.  The largest population CAN become an unbeatable military power if they also decide to focus intensively on their military -- and if they are left in peace to do so.  I wouldn't expect the leaders of a top-rank military alliance to overlook that either.

Let this be a lesson to us all:  keep your military confeds a secret.  It can be done, it saves a lot of negative attention, and you can always reveal them when someone you don't like foolishly declares war on someone else.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:21
It only stands to reason that war would benefit the Devs.  War brings destruction, destruction rebuilding, in time of war the need to rebuild quickly and there you have it.  The only way to rebuild quickly is to use Prestige.  Without top level buildings all of the res/unit production per hour is slowed dramatically.  So what better way to fill their coffers then to have global war?  This is such a glaring reflection of RL world politics and conflict that it's ridiculous.  

The real question is 'Will the leaders of the existing 'superpowers' in Illy allow this virtual world to follow in the destructive footsteps of the real one?'  Both sides claim a desire for peace but through 48 pages of postings I see mostly an abundance of big words designed to impress readers and lame excuses of why military intervention was the only option.  Let me be clear here, I'm not bashing anyone in particular, just pointing out that this can still be solved through diplomacy and moderation if that is in fact what both sides truly want.

Yes, it's just a game but it's a very time consuming, slow developing game - by design absolutely - to acquire significant power and influence.  How many of those involved really want to lose what they have spent so long building over a disagreement that has spun wildly out of control?  A year to build and a few days to lose doesn't sound like much fun at all to me...

Of course it is honorable to defend one's friends and allies but this is not some Cornucopia of rabid NPC mobs descending upon a player that needs aid.  This conflict is the direct result of player disagreement - will it really matter who drew first blood if the result is the cumulative destruction of thousands of hours spent building Illyriad's cities and towns?  Isn't it more honorable, more noble, as the 'titans' of Illyriad to set an example of peace through moderation of disputes?  

I'm just a noob here, been in Illy less than 2 months, so I'm probably way out of line even putting this out there - but I, like many others, found this virtual world to be very welcoming when I first arrived, with lots of helpful, friendly people and I'd just hate to see a bunch of players efforts get trashed over some nonsense that should have been talked out to begin with.

One last thing - this is me talking, not Dlords - this is a personal opinion and a personal plea to the behind the scenes decision makers to stop and take a step back and think about a better way.  I am a proud Beardling of Dlords and completely defer to the wisdom of our Royal caste when it comes to gameplay.  I do not speak for my alliance, I am simply expressing a personal observation that there is a better way to resolve this for all involved.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:24
Originally posted by Daufer Daufer wrote:

Originally posted by Llyorn Of Jaensch Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Damage Mr Damage wrote:

Troop numbers is a more important ( not the only measure I know) calculation of strength but we both aren't going to reveal that now are we. Back to my point though population is not an accurate depiction currently.


Well in light of Consone and Harmless publicising their respective troop strength, Ill go with population.

Crazy ol me.



Let this be a lesson to us all:  keep your military confeds a secret.  It can be done, it saves a lot of negative attention, and you can always reveal them when someone you don't like foolishly declares war on someone else.


Looks like H? were ahead of us all in this regard too. They had a secret confed with RHY untill the war broke out an d even after all this they say 'we didn't plan anything'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:42
Originally posted by Southern Dwarf Southern Dwarf wrote:

Originally posted by Drejan Drejan wrote:

Consone is shown here as a peacefull confederation, it's not, they have been overaggressive since the first week, for what i see the policy for many alliance of Consone is more or less "strike first think/talk after, you will have backup if you need".
Could you please cite some sources for your statement? Thank you in advance.

I can give you a source if you want.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:43
Originally posted by Gossip Boy Gossip Boy wrote:

Originally posted by Daufer Daufer wrote:

Originally posted by Llyorn Of Jaensch Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Damage Mr Damage wrote:

Troop numbers is a more important ( not the only measure I know) calculation of strength but we both aren't going to reveal that now are we. Back to my point though population is not an accurate depiction currently.


Well in light of Consone and Harmless publicising their respective troop strength, Ill go with population.

Crazy ol me.



Let this be a lesson to us all:  keep your military confeds a secret.  It can be done, it saves a lot of negative attention, and you can always reveal them when someone you don't like foolishly declares war on someone else.


Looks like H? were ahead of us all in this regard too. They had a secret confed with RHY untill the war broke out an d even after all this they say 'we didn't plan anything'

You may not know the history the 2 have shared.  Certainly, I know of a great many friendships between the 2.  If someone slaps your friend about, and you are a good friend, you have a baseball bat ready to wallop them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:44
Originally posted by Skiver Skiver wrote:

It only stands to reason that war would benefit the Devs.  War brings destruction, destruction rebuilding, in time of war the need to rebuild quickly and there you have it.  The only way to rebuild quickly is to use Prestige.  Without top level buildings all of the res/unit production per hour is slowed dramatically.  So what better way to fill their coffers then to have global war?  This is such a glaring reflection of RL world politics and conflict that it's ridiculous.  

The real question is 'Will the leaders of the existing 'superpowers' in Illy allow this virtual world to follow in the destructive footsteps of the real one?'  Both sides claim a desire for peace but through 48 pages of postings I see mostly an abundance of big words designed to impress readers and lame excuses of why military intervention was the only option.  Let me be clear here, I'm not bashing anyone in particular, just pointing out that this can still be solved through diplomacy and moderation if that is in fact what both sides truly want.

Yes, it's just a game but it's a very time consuming, slow developing game - by design absolutely - to acquire significant power and influence.  How many of those involved really want to lose what they have spent so long building over a disagreement that has spun wildly out of control?  A year to build and a few days to lose doesn't sound like much fun at all to me...

Of course it is honorable to defend one's friends and allies but this is not some Cornucopia of rabid NPC mobs descending upon a player that needs aid.  This conflict is the direct result of player disagreement - will it really matter who drew first blood if the result is the cumulative destruction of thousands of hours spent building Illyriad's cities and towns?  Isn't it more honorable, more noble, as the 'titans' of Illyriad to set an example of peace through moderation of disputes?  

I'm just a noob here, been in Illy less than 2 months, so I'm probably way out of line even putting this out there - but I, like many others, found this virtual world to be very welcoming when I first arrived, with lots of helpful, friendly people and I'd just hate to see a bunch of players efforts get trashed over some nonsense that should have been talked out to begin with.

One last thing - this is me talking, not Dlords - this is a personal opinion and a personal plea to the behind the scenes decision makers to stop and take a step back and think about a better way.  I am a proud Beardling of Dlords and completely defer to the wisdom of our Royal caste when it comes to gameplay.  I do not speak for my alliance, I am simply expressing a personal observation that there is a better way to resolve this for all involved.

Don't be so manipulated by the Devs
+1 good sir, well said.
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