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LordOfTheSwamp 
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Joined: 23 May 2011 Location: Swamp of Fyrgis Status: Offline Points: 481 |
 Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 13:32 |
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Errr... so, you're on a mine you have a dodgy claim to; you agree to leave it; you don't; SkB ask their confeds to move you. So their confeds do. And you call that "attacked in a completely unprovoked manner" - and you react by besieging a bunch of cities belonging to players not involved in the above? (Or are zebazga, Vty, Snap Dragon, Skim Milk and Russian Blue actually all Messer and Hugie in disguise?!) There have been lots, and lots of cases of people losing troops in mine disputes. It happens. Nobody else uses it as a pretext to siege attractive-looking cities. You wanted a war. You're starting one. At least be honest about it. When NC attacked Steel they said it was because they disliked Steel's leader - odious, but honest. If you're aiming for territorial consolidation, or just starting a war because you fancy it, then at least say so. |
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HATHALDIR
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Joined: 01 Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Status: Offline Points: 380 |
Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 12:40 |
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The Eagles are more than willing to try and help broker a peace over this unfortunate conflict, and help put an end to this futile warmongering, especially when there is a tournament for people to vent thier displeasures! We ask the leaders of all three parties concerned to contact myself over the next 24 hours, to recall all seiges and cease sending armies for the interim. Because of our association with ABSA in the Consone confederation, i am more than willing to have fellow brokers who are neutral in this conflict.
Sincerely HATHALDIR Edited by HATHALDIR - 10 Oct 2012 at 13:00 |
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RHY Press Office
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Joined: 07 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 19 |
Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 12:27 |
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This is precisely the crux of our conflict with ABSA. Again -- we were never headed for war with SkB over that mine. The issue was that we were attacked in a completely unprovoked manner by ABSA, who had no stake in the mining dispute. Players are welcome to focus on this being a war over a mining issue, but it isn't: it's a war over being attacked by another alliance over a issue that didn't even involve them, and their unwillingness to negotiate a diplomatic resolution. Of particular note: The above admission is a confirmation that Messer and Hugie indeed were asked by SkB members to attack our position on the mine. Messer was deft enough in his original reply to not explicitly admit that he was acting at the behest of SkB. This was the reason why SkB has not been included in our declaration of war; there was no explicit proof of collusion between the two alliances. Thanks to the above quote, we now have an admission of a conspiracy, with two alliances, SkB and ABSA, collaborating on an unprovoked attack on RHY troops.
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LordOfTheSwamp
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Joined: 23 May 2011 Location: Swamp of Fyrgis Status: Offline Points: 481 |
Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 10:33 |
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As an update: last night, shortly after the declaration of War versus Absa, the Frost town closest to RHY's main concentration was hit by a massive Theft attack. This may be a coincidence, but it's the first major theft attack we've suffered in a year, so you'll forgive me for suspecting that RHY are trying to stir up a bigger conflict.
You'll also forgive me for observing that several big alliances - but most notably RHY - have had limited involvement in the tournament, so my pessimistic side fears that someone has been planning to start a big war for a while, and the Absa/SkB mines dispute is just an excuse, waiting until people are weakened by the tournament.
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LordOfTheSwamp
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Joined: 23 May 2011 Location: Swamp of Fyrgis Status: Offline Points: 481 |
Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 10:26 |
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There are two issues here, as far as I can see.
1) RHY decided to claim some mines that someone else had a better claim to. A bit aggressive, but unfortunately there's a lot of that about. (Heck, we've seen someone in WE being obnoxious over gatherables and we're supposed to be Confederated with them!) Not a massive deal. They can't be surprised if their victims get grumpy and attack / ask their confeds to attack in order to take back what they reasonably think is theirs. 2) RHY launch diplo attacks, and now launch sieges and declare War because... errr... they didn't like someone standing up to them? (If there's a better reason, I'm not seeing it.) The two are not in the same league. (1) would just be "fine, so they're being jerks - sadly some alliances have decided to respond to the new gathering and crafting by being jerks, that's just how it is." (2) is seriously "WTF?!" (Edited to remove vague grumpiness!)
Edited by LordOfTheSwamp - 10 Oct 2012 at 11:55 |
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"A boy is building sandcastles on a beach. You go and kick down his castle. You could say that it only reflects how you play with sandcastles. Others may think it reflects who you are." - Ander.
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Mogul
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Joined: 23 Sep 2011 Status: Offline Points: 233 |
Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 06:46 |
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So your towns "own" 24 closest squares around them and if someone is harvesting there you call them "The offending party". But when you occupy with army and harvest on square that is within those 24 squares around other alliance town it is called "RHY player successfully secured" square. Besides that square is totally surrounded by maybe 15+ SkB towns and if I understood it correctly all fights where happening only on that square and 5+ days after you agreed to leave it... I mean all fights except RHY players now siege some random Absa players... --- Personally I don't think Consone will respond same way and start to siege your players but if you hope that your siege armies won't be attack you are most likely wrong.  (however even I am part of Consone, this is just my personal opinion as I found out about this conflict only few minutes ago when I saw siege notice in GC)
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Diomedes
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Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 208 |
Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 06:37 |
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The two chief dangers in this sorry saga are already apparent:
1. An endless discussion in the forum regarding a very small incident that has escalated into war. Thus we debate whom did what to whom, and why ad nauseum, as a sort of voyeuristic show; 2. An attack by one alliance involved in a confederation on another alliance involved in a confederation, inevitably will bring in more players and alliances - as in RL, so it is with Illy. The only hope is for the combatants to stop responding to comments here, and find a way to resolve their differences. Someone once said, "The best man in a fight is the one who walks away before it starts."
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"Walk in the way of the good, for the righteous will dwell in the land"
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Rill
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Player Council - Geographer Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903 |
Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 06:37 |
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I think there were two different mines being discussed, not that I understand why any of the rest of us care. Wherever the mine is, it's too far for me to mine it and I don't have a miner's guild anyway. I'm sure whoever is in the area will work it out somehow.
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Darmon
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Joined: 15 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 315 |
Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 06:27 |
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Um...what? Is that contradictory, or am I just super tired? (Maybe the linked items are more illuminating, but I'll save those for when I wake up, assuming they're still there...)
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dunnoob
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Joined: 10 Dec 2011 Location: Elijal Status: Offline Points: 800 |
Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 05:59 |
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