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Aurordan
Postmaster
Player Council - Ambassador
Joined: 21 Sep 2011
Location: United States
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Points: 982
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Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 17:46 |
RHY Press Office wrote:
Since the introduction of the new resources a couple of months ago, our alliance has been subjected to repeated violations of its territory by RHY armies. In some cases they were taking advantage of small players who could barely form armies of their own much less claim sovereignty on the squares next to their towns. It has been a disheartening struggle to negotiate one settlement only to have more armies appear at different locations at a later date. |
For Buriden to characterize RHY as solely aggressive in the territorial overlap of RHY and SkB territories in terms of rare resource claims in unfair and unfounded. SkB has repeated engaged in aggressive exodusing, settlement, and annexing of resources into RHY territory. I will stipulate that RHY has been pro-active in competing with SkB for rare resources if Buriden in turn can admit the same of his alliance.
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Territorial overlap? It's pretty much surrounded by their cities. That's pretty proactive. Most people would say too proactive.
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Sir Bradly
Forum Warrior
Joined: 12 Sep 2012
Location: Canada
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Points: 228
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Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 17:49 |
geofrey wrote:
I don't believe anything positive can come from debating each other's opinions, so please save those for IGM.
As I understand it:
Absa attacked RHY rare mineral armies twice. No one agreed to any terms. RHY is now declaring war against Absa.
My question is what is war? Siege the capitol. Lay waste to all of Absa's armies? Take out the two players responsible?
What is RHY's end game? Force Absa to agree to some terms? If so, what terms?
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Geofrey, I think it is very unfair to request that an alliance reveal their end goal in a military conflict. Only a complete fool would submit to such a request. Clearly they have a grievance and they have chosen war to solve the problem since prior diplomacy attempts have not worked.
Only RHY knows what their objective is and it should stay that way.
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scaramouche
Forum Warrior
Joined: 25 Apr 2011
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Points: 432
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Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 17:55 |
Sir Bradly wrote:
geofrey wrote:
I don't believe anything positive can come from debating each other's opinions, so please save those for IGM.
As I understand it:
Absa attacked RHY rare mineral armies twice. No one agreed to any terms. RHY is now declaring war against Absa.
My question is what is war? Siege the capitol. Lay waste to all of Absa's armies? Take out the two players responsible?
What is RHY's end game? Force Absa to agree to some terms? If so, what terms?
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Geofrey, I think it is very unfair to request that an alliance reveal their end goal in a military conflict. Only a complete fool would submit to such a request. Clearly they have a grievance and they have chosen war to solve the problem since prior diplomacy attempts have not worked.
Only RHY knows what their objective is and it should stay that way. |
To be fair Bradly ive seen that question asked on many a thread such as this, its only natural that when people air their dirty laundry for all to see, it will be asked.
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Aurordan
Postmaster
Player Council - Ambassador
Joined: 21 Sep 2011
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Points: 982
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Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 17:56 |
SunStorm wrote:
LordOfTheSwamp wrote:
You'll also forgive me for observing that several big alliances - but most notably RHY - have had limited involvement in the tournament, so my pessimistic side fears that someone has been planning to start a big war for a while, and the Absa/SkB mines dispute is just an excuse, waiting until people are weakened by the tournament.
| On this point I must take issue. The dates on this whole mess happened prior to the Tournament being announced.
RHY Press Office wrote:
The Rhyagelle alliance has already reached out to ABSA twice, after both attacks, seeking restitution for their attacks. We gave them our terms and a deadline of 9/30, which they chose to ignore. | How could they, or anyone else, have known in advance that there would be a tournament coming? Yes, there is limited involvement, but I think its because many see the prizes being slightly less appealing than last years. We have no stats for the naked blue-painted men and no stats on the equips they mentioned. As it stands, all anyone knows for sure is that the alliance will get a big pot of prestige and some medals. That's about it. So I find these to be completely unrelated (though I have always been more of an optimistic).
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It may have started before the tournament was announced, but there was plenty of time for it to affect how far it was pushed and for alliances to decide to hold back from competition.
Also, your bullet points are probably pretty dead on, but I doubt that'll be the end of it.
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Grego
Postmaster
Joined: 09 May 2010
Location: Klek
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Points: 729
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Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 18:13 |
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Like most neighbours, Absaroke and Rhyagelle had disputes in the past. We talked and were always able to find fair solution for all sides involved. After Finrod left, new leadership decided to enforce new discipline which only they can call diplomacy. Those who experienced it would use words as blackmail and extortion. I am not going to repeat who did what, why and how, just wanted to ask "RHY press office" simple question:
Why you guys hide behind this paravan and do not speak as men ( or women)? Finrod may or may not come back, I would like to know who is in charge in Rhyagelle now.
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vty
Wordsmith
Joined: 24 Jan 2012
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Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 18:48 |
Shame! Attacking a Native American tribe on Columbus Day! It's just wrong!
(the beer is running out Illy, I can't stop it)
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geofrey
Postmaster General
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Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 19:25 |
scaramouche wrote:
Sir Bradly wrote:
geofrey wrote:
I don't believe anything positive can come from debating each other's opinions, so please save those for IGM.
As I understand it:
Absa attacked RHY rare mineral armies twice. No one agreed to any terms. RHY is now declaring war against Absa.
My question is what is war? Siege the capitol. Lay waste to all of Absa's armies? Take out the two players responsible?
What is RHY's end game? Force Absa to agree to some terms? If so, what terms?
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Geofrey, I think it is very unfair to request that an alliance reveal their end goal in a military conflict. Only a complete fool would submit to such a request. Clearly they have a grievance and they have chosen war to solve the problem since prior diplomacy attempts have not worked.
Only RHY knows what their objective is and it should stay that way. |
To be fair Bradly ive seen that question asked on many a thread such as this, its only natural that when people air their dirty laundry for all to see, it will be asked. |
Exactly. Don't have a press release and be upset when there are questions.
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Neytiri
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Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 20:18 |
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I did ask them to wait until after the tournament. . .
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Neytiri
Wordsmith
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Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 20:25 |
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"Players are welcome to focus on this being a war over a mining issue, but it isn't: it's a war over being attacked by another alliance over a issue that didn't even involve them, and their unwillingness to negotiate a diplomatic resolution."
It's a war over a mining dispute. It's about RHY looking for control over rare minerals. They weren't able to diplomatically achieve this, so they stationed troops. We were asked to help, so we did. You can say it's not about mining rights, but everything you bring up says it is. If you'd held up your end of the negotiations with SkB, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Neytiri
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Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 21:07 |
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I must admit, I somewhat resent having my eloquence referred to as "missives"! Indeva dear, where are the rest of my messages???
All that great advice. . .
I'm throwing pearls at swine, apparently.
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