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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:33
What actions in game are happening? 

RHY seems to only be attempting to siege ABSA towns. Anyone else sieging Absa towns?

Who all has been breaking Sieges? VIC, CONSONE? Absa? 

Anyone else supporting RHY's sieges, or just defending them with words on the forums? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:30
Originally posted by Faenix Faenix wrote:

Quote You forgot two points of the escalation: 
Rhy promised to remove from the square <~~ Fair
Rhy broke said promise and did not remove from square <~~ Not fair

You're right, actually I forgot a third one also:

Random people on the forum got involved in something that had nothing to do with them.  <~~ no one cared

Except that they do Faenix.  Illy is a community, and people have the right to comment on a public forum about events that might eventually effect them.  My prestige ran out last week and I am not renewing it, at least until I see which way this works out.  See, I DO care about what happens to MY money.  I didn't spend it to have some warmongering knucklehead decide that because my alliance belongs to Consone, I am therefore a legitimate target if I am directed to defend a Confed member.  Like Saladin, I would do it because that is what members of formal alliances may be requested to do.  Probably like Saladin I would walk away after it, simply because there's one place you can never hit people and expect no response : their hip pocket nerve.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:28
Originally posted by Faenix Faenix wrote:

Quote You forgot two points of the escalation: 
Rhy promised to remove from the square <~~ Fair
Rhy broke said promise and did not remove from square <~~ Not fair

You're right, actually I forgot a third one also:

Random people on the forum got involved in something that had nothing to do with them.  <~~ no one cared


... Faenix is a member of Nightbringers, right? I must somehow have missed their involvement in this issue?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:27
Originally posted by Coltaine Blackwing Coltaine Blackwing wrote:

Illy had so much potential.

I believe that it still has.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:25
If no one cared, why do you bring up the point?

But nice distraction from the one "Not Fair" point in the escalation.

~Vanerin

Edit: I forgot to thank Coltaine for his post. Thank you :)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:25
One of the involved parties brought the situation and their spin on it to the forums to begin with.  If you are not interested feel free to ignore.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:24
Originally posted by Faenix Faenix wrote:

I think everyone is making this out to be a lot more complicated than it is.

It's only that simple if you can't grasp the question

Originally posted by Faenix Faenix wrote:

What's all this morality stuff?

Morality is the thing that says resource claims should be mediated by discussions of justice (which is what Frost, Sherwood, Grail and others agreed to do in Wolgast as soon as the gathering release came out).

It's the thing that says you don't rip down what someone else has built up without an over-riding moral imperative (and no "we don't like Steel's leader and we think attacking people is fun" is not an over-riding moral imperative).

It is also the thing that - lest people feel I'm being one sided here - the thing that means Consone's members - including me - should have got off our posteriors and stood by Steel as soon as NC started on them, not dithered around waiting for someone to get back from holiday before failing to make a decision.

More abstractly, it's a school of philosophy which debates questions like "is there a difference between acts and omissions?", and of religious teaching which makes statements like "do unto others as you would have them do to you" or "when you judge between men, judge with justice".

And as human beings its the thing that stops us doing what we can because it suits us, and means we treat other people with respect and compassion.

Most of all, it is a thing which only exists in practice because people choose to act in certain ways, and create societies where morality can flourish.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:21
Quote You forgot two points of the escalation: 
Rhy promised to remove from the square <~~ Fair
Rhy broke said promise and did not remove from square <~~ Not fair

You're right, actually I forgot a third one also:

Random people on the forum got involved in something that had nothing to do with them.  <~~ no one cared
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:20
If I spend real money to get prestige, then yeah, I'd be annoyed if my hard earned towns were being sieged into the ground because RHY wants to control Keppen.  It might be a game, but for some people it's enough of a joy in their life for them to invest cold hard currency in it.  If you destroy their towns, then you cost them money which they invested for their own enjoyment.

Personally I don't really care who is right or wrong, who planned what, or whether this is about a mine, an aggressive act, or some political machination that is of zero interest to me.  Obviously some people are trying to goad this on, when one side is clearly saying it does not want escalation.  To me that's evidence of a desire to make peace.  Rejection of that is clearly a desire to keep the warmongering going.  I predict peace won't happen until RHY owns the bits of Keppen that they want.  Tough luck if any of the people being razed happened to have invested money in building those cities.

You can play like that if you want.  It's a sandbox, it develops it's own ways of functioning.  However, for every action there is a consequence.  If, as Saladin indicated, this goes on and people become involved in a war because they feel obligations to support an ally, there will be numbers of them who, after it's all over, will stop playing.  That is one consequence of having war inflicted on players who basically wish to avoid it.

People who say "oh you can rebuild even if you lose your cities" do have a point.  You can.  "Don't take this too seriously, it's a game"  is also a valid point.  However, you can have as much validity as you like in your viewpoints, but if people don't like what you've done, and decide to walk away, then that's not a good thing for Illy.  Which is what it all boils down to really.  

People who put real money into something don't like to lose their investments.  They tend to go to greener pastures if the people who took that money look like they are going to keep taking it.  Do so at your own peril, because if the way forward in Illy is going to involve considerable financial hazard, it's support base will surely dwindle.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:19
Originally posted by Coltaine Blackwing Coltaine Blackwing wrote:


Thank you for your great post.
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