 The Electrocutioner wrote:
KillerPoodle wrote:
That is why this is not about a mine and that's why this dispute is between RHY and Absa (although it seems that SKB decided yesterday they were missing out on the fun and send tens of thousands of troops into the fray).
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Skb's attacks as of yesterday is a most interesting development. If they had that kind of firepower at their disposal all along, why did they call on Absa for help during the initial mine incident? They clearly had the strength needed to address it with Rhy, yet they brought in a major confed at the very start. And as you pointed out, Absa attacked Rhy AFTER Rhy and Skb had an agreement.
It seems to me that Absa and Skb had intentions for major escalations from the very beginning. Add to that the taunting emails from Absa and their early avoiding of any real diplomatic negotiations, and it gives the appearance that Absa wanted a major conflict from the start. |
What I hear said is that Absa and SkB colluded to goad RHY into attacking Absa towns so Absa could destroy the sieging troops. Then Consone was supposed to come in and wipe out RHY or Absa and SkB thought they could do it together. I hear you believing that there was a plan to attack RHY cities but it never got off the ground, not one attack was launched. Does that indicate that Consone wouldn't support the plan (internal dispute) or that Consone wasn't organized to support it (couldn't get their act together in time) or that the plan was foiled by H? or that Absa and SkB never got their act together despite all the pre-planning or all of the above?
Is the involvement of H? supposed to be a total shock? I thought it at least possible they would get involved when it was clear that H? members had moved to RHY. When the H? players were in the vanguard of the attacks I thought it more possible. After Sir Bradley's first post I thought NC would get involved. I've certainly tried to convey my beliefs to Absa.
If I may, is the point of this that Absa (and Consone) are so stupid that even though it was obvious H? was involved they still thought they could pull a fast one because they thought Consone was stronger than H? but look, H? is stronger than Consone and they stood up for what is right?
The thing is, KP has made it very clear he thinks the forum and people's involvement in Illy are a game and a game where destruction is clearly an expected outcome. He's made it clear H? is playing a game and people shouldn't care so much. Which is so true on one level and so not true on others. This is just a game, but it's not a wargame and yet, it is a wargame too. To different people it is distinctly different games.
Some people like to garden. Sometimes the weather will destroy their garden. That's obviously a risk of gardening. Does that make it OK to deliberately destroy someones work because in your legitimate view that's a risk of the activity?
Not recognizing that people play games for different reasons is a moral failure. Maybe putting people together that play different games is just wrong. KP's right, it is just a game but not everyone playing Illy is playing a wargame and expects to be destroyed. If Illy is to be a wargame, I want no part of Consone or Absa. If it's a wargame and what is outlined above is true Absa and Consone are terrible at war and KP is right, people shouldn't get so worked up. I won't fight for that. If Illy is to be more than a wargame (there are so many better strategy wargames), then I'll be part of Consone and Absa because although they clearly suck at war, maybe the game will be better if they can force it to be about more than war? (that's an oxymoron isn't it)
Here is a question for the masses. Who do you think is better at wargames? The people interested in playing war games or those that want to play something else?
Is H? fighting to keep incompetent people from playing a wargame or are they fighting a wargame against people playing a different game? If H? isn't fighting a wargame, then KP should understand why some people are going to be really upset by this war and he would understand why they are passionate.
This game has armies. There will always be some element of the player base that want's it to be a wargame so what about that? If some players want Illy to become a war game, were does that end? Does all of Illy become a war game and can that be undone?
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