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HATHALDIR
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Jul 2011
Location: Adelaide
Status: Offline
Points: 380
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Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 02:55 |
Okay lets all stop pointing fingers and deal with the facts, which as i see them are - Consone and H? + Dlords, DARK and NC are at war
- no conditions on attacking have been asked for, or have been set
- none of the alliances involved has asked not to be attacked
- little people are going to get hurt
- there seems to be no-one asking for peace, nor actively persuing it on either side
- most posts are the length of a novel
So in summary, unless point 5 is addressed, there will be more pain and loss. Unless point 6 is addressed, people will stop reading forums
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There's worse blokes than me!!
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Raatalagk
Wordsmith
Joined: 13 Dec 2011
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 154
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 18:40 |
The_Dude wrote:
Yeah, that's the root of Consone's troubles. Y'all think none of you should be held responsible for anything another does. But if someone stands up against the lone Consone member, all the Consone jump in together. So you want all the benefits of the alliance but none of the responsibility that comes with it.
Each member of an alliance reflects upon that alliance. Each member of Confed of Alliances reflects on all members of the Confed of Alliances.
Consone, however, allowed it member to act independently while receiving full Consone protection. This is a big reason, imo, for the current war. |
Lord knows I don't always see eye-to-eye with TD, but this is spot on.
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Kumomoto
Postmaster General
Joined: 19 Oct 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 2224
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 17:08 |
Ossian wrote:
The_Dude wrote:
Kumomoto wrote:
The_Dude wrote:
Hey, Detritus, I do have a question. Is SAGES a training alliance? |
While you are answering, can someone please also let us know-- is Victrix a training alliance? | Kumo, I have seen CanesRule repeatedly state on GC that VICX is NOT a training alliance. |
Please clarify . Does this mean that Res are going to attack VICX or are urging H? to do so? Or are you and Kumo just flaming?
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Is asking whether one of the alliances who declared war on you is a training alliance (when they used to be) "flaming"? Maybe you should calm down.
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Mahaut
Wordsmith
Joined: 20 Jan 2012
Location: North West UK
Status: Offline
Points: 173
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 13:38 |
To clarify Victrix isn't a training alliance. I joined it a year ago and it wasn't a training alliance then, so I have no idea at what exact point it ceased to be one. We are independent of Invictus and have been for nearly a year. We also decided Consone wasn't for us, Victrix leadership prefer to be independent and deal with things ourselves. However we have long historical confeds, since long before Consone was founded,with both Invictus and Absa. As with Dlords coming into this fight to back H? due to long historical association with them...so us with Invictus and Absa. Although we aren't an agressive alliance and have dealt with our diplomatic issues without pulling in the weight of anyone (whether Invictus or Consone or anyone else) to back us, we also won't be just "fair weather" friends any more than Dlords would be. If that means we get attacked then that's just the price we have to pay for old historical and well established diplomatic ties. We have no intention of instigating any aggressive moves.
In point of fact I also abhor the rude messages sent by Absa, however I also don't feel a few rude messages should cause a server wide war. This was a fight between RHY and Absa/SkB. Invictus didn't get involved until Absa towns were being mass sieged (over an insult??!) and breaking those sieges was sufficient provocation for H? to get involved and declare war on Invictus and Absa. I still don't see the logic of calling siege breaking an aggressive act but I'm sure if I went through all the posts in the multitude of threads on this subject someone would enlighten me...probably endlessly. I find it difficult to see how Invictus were the agressors in this. In chronological order War was declared on Invictus and Absa first, by H? If Consone confederation then get involved...well what else were they supposed to do? Mutual defence is one of the main reasons for being in a confed. Everything else being posted on this matter is pure supposition or paranoia about the "possible" future intention of various alliances and confederations, all of it posted with no proof of the allegations. This is happening on both sides of the argument and is getting very tedious as no one who isn't in the inner counsels on either side of the flame war, has any real idea of what that alliance or confederations long term goals are and is just speculating, using their own preconceived ideas and bias as the basis of allegation. I have no idea why people feel the need to do this - unless stirring the pot is fun for some.
Edited by Mahaut - 17 Oct 2012 at 14:09
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Ossian
Forum Warrior
Joined: 12 Oct 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 456
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 10:23 |
The_Dude wrote:
Kumomoto wrote:
The_Dude wrote:
Hey, Detritus, I do have a question. Is SAGES a training alliance? |
While you are answering, can someone please also let us know-- is Victrix a training alliance? | Kumo, I have seen CanesRule repeatedly state on GC that VICX is NOT a training alliance. |
Please clarify . Does this mean that Res are going to attack VICX or are urging H? to do so? Or are you and Kumo just flaming?
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Daufer
Forum Warrior
Joined: 14 Jun 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 332
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 05:54 |
Kumomoto wrote:
Detritus wrote:
The threat was: You are free to leave to TOR, Crow, etc,... else H? might run amok through your cities...
And my brave members chose to stay! So stay away, or H? might unwillingly raze their towns!
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Hold on? You are trying to say that we are going to run amok among Tor or Crow towns???
What interesting pharmaceuticals are you enjoying?
Shall we do a poll of Tor or, better yet, Crow folks and see how many of them have been subjected to us crazy bloodthirsty H? folks?
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Since "leave to TOR, Crow, etc" implies that they consider those to be safe havens, they are apparently saying nothing of the kind.
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belargyle
Forum Warrior
Joined: 17 Jun 2010
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 401
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 05:10 |
Hey TD.. I'm been caught up in RL and not really keeping up to much over the last couple of days (but Im back now). I just found out what happened to you.. that would p*ss me off something fierce.
If it is what you wish, you are always welcome to stand along side us. We welcome the company and believer friends should always share fun things together.
Come, it is almost past time to feast, and plates are waiting!
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 2396
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 03:17 |
Kumomoto wrote:
[notice... the following is Fun With Editing... ]***** ... how many of them have been subjected to us crazy bloodthirsty H? folks?.... *****
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ME! I am an Illy Zombie now because I was bitten by the bloodthirsty H? folks
^^^ I hope y'all find that as funny as I intend. 
Clearly since the official newbie guide in Illy forum has declared me Illy dead for over 15 mos since my resurrection, I am an Illy Zombie!
Mwhahahahaa!
brains.....
Hey, wow! 
It's just been 15 mos since RES was just 2 towns at zero pop to now. #9 total land in Illy. #24 total pop. Ranked higher in Illy tourneys #1, #5 and #6 compared to total pop by a wide margin.
Huzzah RES! Huzzah Illy!
Edited by The_Dude - 17 Oct 2012 at 03:18
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Myr
Forum Warrior
Joined: 26 May 2011
Location: Orlando, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 437
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 03:05 |
I see someone else already pointed that out to you Adam since you have removed your comment.
Edit: No, I'm not crazy, Adam the great had a post there and that's what I'm commenting on. I guess if you go in and delete everything from the post the system won't show that you were even there.
Edited by Myr - 17 Oct 2012 at 03:16
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Myr
Forum Warrior
Joined: 26 May 2011
Location: Orlando, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 437
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 03:04 |
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H? had nothing to do with Steel. They were attacked by ~NC~ alone with no help or assistance from any other alliance. Get your facts straight.
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