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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 09:53
" Belargyle, Kumo, Llyorn......"

We are long enough in Illy to know what each of us stand for. Your morality makes me sick, I can only hope that you don't have actual power in RL. I spent enough time here, met some dear people, which I will miss, but all in all, Illy is same as RL. Most of community are sheeps.

I do not wish to initiate major war because of my believes of fairness and justice, so I am willing to resign from both Absaroke and Consone. I just ask you to stop destroying RB, zebazga, Skim Milk, and so many other players who did nothing to deserve beeing kicked out from this game.

I will fall on my knees and begg you for it, if needed, just STOP.

You can deal with me after
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 09:59
Originally posted by Jane DarkMagic Jane DarkMagic wrote:

From an outside viewpoint, it looks like a lot is hanging on how Consone responds to rising aggression and Harmless's declaration that breaking siege camps is worthy of retaliation.  From the looks of it they have two options:

1. Let ABSA get destroyed and thus lose any kind of legitimacy they might have had as a confederacy. 

or

2. Join the fight and risk possibly getting destroyed, which would only undermine their legitimacy if they lose.

As an observer, I am excited to see how it plays out.

Sadly Jane Dark Magic's  assessment is probably correct and shows how a relatively minor dispute over scarce resources has been exaggerated out of all proportion into a potential server wide war.  When reading some of the posts from KP,  Kumomoto, Llyron of Jaensch and Silverlake, which are contained in this thread, each of them seemed to be more concerned with embarassing Consone - by goading them into action on the hand and then threatening them with retaliatory action oon the other. Each of these posts appears to contains an insult -  referring to Consone as "Comsomme" ,  "Consome" or "Soup" .  It is almost as  though they would rather use this dispute as an excuse to attack or embarrass "Consone" ,in a somewhat insulting way, than they would want to genuinely help to resolve the  BsH/Absa/Rhy dispute.
 
The real cause of this dispute is not the alliances involved but the introduction of the new "Resources and Trading systems".  When the Devs  implemented this they made great play of the fact that it would lead to "friction" between the alliances. Some players tend to take the words of the Devs as being set in stone and so they believe that "friction between the alliances " is they way that the game should be played.
 
Actually in a sandbox players should view "friction" as more of a challenge than a fact of the game.  Minor disputes between alliances over resources really shouldn't be resolved by force of arms and they certainly shouldn't be exaggerated by arrogant ,sarcastic, posts .
 
The "Challenge" to the community is whether this can be resolved by sensible negotiation and diplomay rather than by , behind the scenes machinations and arrogant military threats. Can the community rise to this cahllenge and set up its own body to resolve these issues as when they rise or will they carry with "old ways" of propaganda and bashing.
 
H? " Your daya are gone - deal with it" . Leave this alone and let "New Community" solve the issue sensibly.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 10:03
Originally posted by belargyle belargyle wrote:

And what precipitated the war that RHY declared against ABSA.. ABSA attacked RHY.
And what precipitated the ABSA attack on RHY army?
Can I put my armies 2 squares from your town? Can I? And then refuse to leave?
And then if you attack my army can I demand 70 million gold and pretend to be attack without reason? Can I?

Originally posted by belargyle belargyle wrote:

No.. they are attacking ABSA towns.. Consone has no ownership of alliances nor the towns therein. The alliances are autonomous but work together.
Consone has currently 3360 towns...

Originally posted by belargyle belargyle wrote:

if ABSA was the ones to declare war on RHY they could dictate the terms for speaking of peace if RHY requested it. The absurdity here is that it even being discussed regarding such a simple request.
Ok you are right with this... and my opinion is actually same. That means RHY are the one who wants war, they want to continue with war, they want to demand things from ABSA and so on... and Absa is the one who wants peace all the time and are just defending themselves.

My only problem is that in whole this thread "press office" and some other posters are trying to present RHY as peaceful guys who are just defending against aggression which is complete nonsense.



Edited by Mogul - 12 Oct 2012 at 10:21
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 10:05
Originally posted by Grego Grego wrote:

" Belargyle, Kumo, Llyorn......"

We are long enough in Illy to know what each of us stand for. Your morality makes me sick, I can only hope that you don't have actual power in RL. I spent enough time here, met some dear people, which I will miss, but all in all, Illy is same as RL. Most of community are sheeps.

I do not wish to initiate major war because of my believes of fairness and justice, so I am willing to resign from both Absaroke and Consone. I just ask you to stop destroying RB, zebazga, Skim Milk, and so many other players who did nothing to deserve beeing kicked out from this game.

I will fall on my knees and begg you for it, if needed, just STOP.

You can deal with me after
Speaking for me and Dlords...
 
Dlords hasn't gotten involved in this so far.. and I was making a case for both sides. ABSA had the right to attack on behalf of ally just as RHY had the right to attack back. Not sure how my morality enters into the picture in this but, whatever.

As for the rest.. I'll let them answer


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 10:32
Originally posted by Mogul Mogul wrote:

And what precipitated the ABSA attack on RHY army?
Can I put my armies 2 squares from your town? Can I? And then refuse to leave?
And then if you attack my army can I demand 70 million gold and pretend to be attack without reason? Can I?
They were asked to become involved by SkB. Though there was no military action going on between RHY and SkB, no one was being attacked... when ABSA answered SkB's request and sent troops. And once you jump into someone else's fight, be ready to fight yourself since you just made it your own. I'm not saying they were wrong to respond..but be ready for whatever falls down once you do, just as RHY has every right to attack those who attacked them.

In relation to the army question - if you would like to set your armies in such a place, you may are welcome to do so. Your actions have consequences though.  And yes.. if you attack my armies, I will demand compensation, and if we don't get it freely, we will seek other means to obtain it. This is our open policy.. hasn't changed since the alliance began 2 years ago.

Quote Consone has currently 3360 towns...

No, the alliance that make up Consone has 3360 towns in them.
Either the alliances are autonomous and not bound to obey Consone as their leader and run their respective alliances independent of it but in cooperation in it.., or they are  just one big alliance and thus Consone rules and runs the rest of the group.

Quote My only problem is that in whole this thread "press office" and some other posters are trying to present RHY as peaceful guys who are just defending against aggression which is complete nonsense.
I have maintained both had the right to attack or whatever they wanted to do... attack was their method of choice.


Edited by belargyle - 12 Oct 2012 at 10:37
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 10:38

Excerpt from General Kaldorei Sunstrider heading a small detachment of soldiers that rushed in support of Snapdragon from Absa in Keppen

 

I am proud to come to this city of 1PFK as the guest of your distinguished Mayor, who has symbolized throughout the world the fighting spirit of 1 PFK. And I am proud to visit Absa lands with your distinguished Chancellor Anderrent who for so many years has committed Absaroke to democracy and freedom and progress, and to come here in the company of my fellow VIC companion, Sloter, who has been in this city during its great moments of crisis and will come again if ever needed.

Two thousand years ago the proudest boast was "civis Romanus sum." Today, in the world of freedom, the proudest boast is "I am an Absaroker."

I appreciate my interpreter translating my Arran dialect!

There are many people in the world who really don't understand, or say they don't, what is the great issue between the free world and the RHY/etc… world. Let them come to 1PFK. There are some who say their governance is the way of the future. Let them come to 1PFK. And there are some who say in Illy and elsewhere we can work with RHY/… affiliates. Let them come to 1PFK.

Freedom has many difficulties and democracy is not perfect, but we have never had to put a siege up to assault other people in order to prevent them from helping others. I want to say, on behalf of my countrymen, who live many miles away on the other side of the Great Mountains, who are far distant from you, that they take the greatest pride that they have been able to share with you, even from a distance, the story of the last 2 1/2 years. I know of no town, no city, that has been besieged for so many days that still lives with the vitality and the force, and the hope and the determination of the city of 1PFK. While this siege will prove the most obvious and vivid demonstration of the failures of the RHY/etc… system, for all the world to see, we take no satisfaction in it, for it is, as your Mayor has said, an offense not only against history but an offense against our Illy way of life and dividing a people who wish to be joined together.

What is true of this city is true of all Absa--real, lasting peace in Illy can never be assured as long as one Absa city will be and denied the elementary right of free men, and that is to make a free choice. In 2 1/2 years of peace and good faith, this generation of Absarokers has earned the right to be free, including the right to unite their families and their nation in lasting peace, with good will to all people. You live in a defended island of freedom, but your life is part of the main. So let me ask you as I close, to lift your eyes beyond the dangers of today, to the hopes of tomorrow, beyond the freedom merely of this city of 1PFK, or your country of Absaroke, to the advance of freedom everywhere, beyond the wall to the day of peace with justice, beyond yourselves and ourselves to all mankind.

Freedom is indivisible, and when one man is enslaved, all are not free. When all are free, then we can look forward to that day when this city will be joined as one and this country and this great Continent of Elgea in a peaceful and hopeful world. When that day finally comes, as it will, the people of 1PFK can take sober satisfaction in the fact that they were in the front lines for too many days.

All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of 1PFK, and, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words

"Ich bin ein Absaroker."

 



Edited by Tatharion - 12 Oct 2012 at 10:51
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 10:50
Originally posted by Grego Grego wrote:

Originally posted by Garth Garth wrote:

Originally posted by Grego Grego wrote:

.... and ABSA forces have sallied forth with Nesse of Dwarven Lord in the army....
There's all sorts of drama going on in general, and it's being fairly discussed. I just happened to catch this one ^^^

For the record, Nesse is in Dwarven Druids, not Dlords.
(to the uninitiated reader, H? and Dlords have one of the oldest Confeds in the game..so you can see how a Dlord player being caught "on the other side" might have spiced things up even more than they already are..)



You should ask Jejune about that, I quoted his mail
Yes, I'm aware that you were quoting the mail; I realize I could've quoted the post better. Sorry about that, I can amend it if you like.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 11:20
Originally posted by belargyle belargyle wrote:

No, the alliance that make up Consone has 3360 towns in them.
Either the alliances are autonomous and not bound to obey Consone
I am autonomous and not bound to obey Druids and still Druids have 219 towns including my towns.
I am member of Druids and Druids are member of Consone... so I am also member of Consone, simple as that. (i know that... i have access to Consone only forum so i must be member of Consone)

There is no direct in-game support for confederation rings but it doesn't mean they don't exist.
But its just wording and sorry but I am not going to write
"Alliances that are part of Consone have 3360 towns..." but instead "Consone has 3360 towns..."

and not "they are sieging towns that are part of alliance that is part of Consone" but
"they are sieging Consone towns" instead

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 11:39
Originally posted by Tatharion Tatharion wrote:

"Ich bin ein Absaroker."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 12:42
In the words of Frenchman Joseph de Maistre, 'Every nation gets the government that it deserves.'

Illyriad is a nation. It has institutions, trade, communication between peoples, fixed boundaries, and the exercise of power. The way in which power is used is government.

These events are the equivalents of elections in Illyriad. This is the nation deciding upon its future.

For real life, I hope that players who live in comfortable countries in North America and Europe learn from this how it is for those of us in the rest of the world.

For Illyriad, I have the ability to leave. The rest of you are getting the government that you deserve.

I will transfer my assets to my alliance and say goodbye to the people with whom I have enjoyed playing.

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