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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 17:09
Originally posted by Rasak Rasak wrote:

Thanks for you well thought out response Khells,
I fail to see how H? are the ones considered to be in charge of this. If Rhy and Absa find a way to declare peace I'm sure everyone will back off. Yet everyone is acting like H? is the one holding the cards.

On the other hand:

RHY has military backing from H? and supposedly knew it going into this altercation  The odds of RHY losing anything are minimal, even microscopic.  The benefits of continuing to let H? smash their local rival are quite attractive.  Why, so long as H? is involved, would RHY ever want to talk peace?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 16:37
IT would be interesting to see if everyone (not just the consone/H? conflict), but everyone was to stop all conflicts, whether the DEVS would throw a tantrum..or even better a war with the DEV v ALL alliances.
 
just a humourous thought.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 16:32
Just trying to keep the DEVs happy. They stated several times they wanted more conflict. This war is for them!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 16:19
Originally posted by Starry Starry wrote:

Originally posted by Joscelin Joscelin wrote:

I have been giving this whole situation some thought since day one or even earlier.
Many of you say this is all over a silly Trove mine, which in itself is slightly ridiculous since Trove mines are a dime a dozen and to date don't even have a use.
 
Now if this had been a Silversteel mine which as i understand there are only 5 in all of Illy and they makes the best crafted armor and weapons in the game, I would have to agree it was defiately over a mine.
 
Which brings me to my next thought why all of a sudden after what 2 years of existance do the Devs release Trade V2 and only have 5 Silversteel mines, perhaps it's a plot by the Devs to instigate a world war.

+1 The Devs could have released Trade 2.0 any number of ways to prevent conflict, they did not.  I have to agree with Joscelin, Trade 2.0 was designed for conflict.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 16:09
Originally posted by Joscelin Joscelin wrote:

I have been giving this whole situation some thought since day one or even earlier.
Many of you say this is all over a silly Trove mine, which in itself is slightly ridiculous since Trove mines are a dime a dozen and to date don't even have a use.
 
Now if this had been a Silversteel mine which as i understand there are only 5 in all of Illy and they makes the best crafted armor and weapons in the game, I would have to agree it was defiately over a mine.
 
Which brings me to my next thought why all of a sudden after what 2 years of existance do the Devs release Trade V2 and only have 5 Silversteel mines, perhaps it's a plot by the Devs to instigate a world war.

+1 The Devs could have released Trade 2.0 any number of ways to prevent conflict, they did not.  I have to agree with Joscelin, Trade 2.0 was designed for conflict.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 15:59
Originally posted by LordOfTheSwamp LordOfTheSwamp wrote:

On the other hand, I would be interested to know, with specific examples, where this has been Consone policy. Maybe it is. Maybe I'm wrong. But I doubt it.


I will not commend on the matter, but offer some food for thought, if you will : 

Have you ever wondered why the DEVs have limited alliances to 100 members .?. 
Ever wondered why Platoons have at most 50 people and why a company has at most 5 platoons with their own platoon and sqaud leaders, but with another level providing a centralized command for the company .?. Ever wondered why a battalion has at most 5 companies, with their own company leaders and platton leaders and squad leaders, but also has its own centralized layer of command for the whole battalion .?. 
Ever wondered why large businesses divide their employees in work groups of specific numbers and above them place even more structures of command .?.

Ever wondered how many teachers you would need to teach 5, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640 kids respectively .?. Would you say that it will be just a simple division like 20 kids per teacher or would you argue that the more the kids, the more organisation and red tape you would need to keep everything running and organize BOTH the kids and the teachers as well, and provide them with what is needed to perform their duties ( buildings, books, infrastructure etc etc ) .?.

- At what size something becomes so gigantic and out of its innitial proportions that you have to turn it in groups and then superimpose another layer of command above those groups in order to keep them stable and functioning with almost the same efficiency as before .?. 
- What are the steps and the hierarchy that those layers of command will have to create in order to be stable themselves .?.

Just some "vineyard" philosophy for a bit of thought totally outside the gaming concept, but more in line with real life ... the application and the result of your thoughts is in your hands though. ;)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 15:55
LordofTheSwamp my point is that, i do not want to say Consone are Evil, but stop say others are, Consone are as much "evil" as H? or Dlord for what i've seen. Except that Consone are many alliances with many interest and many way to interact with other alliances. Some alliances might be peacefull, some are HEAVY militarized. Right now i've not seen H? or RHY starting a war to a peacefull one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 14:59
I have been giving this whole situation some thought since day one or even earlier.
Many of you say this is all over a silly Trove mine, which in itself is slightly ridiculous since Trove mines are a dime a dozen and to date don't even have a use.
 
Now if this had been a Silversteel mine which as i understand there are only 5 in all of Illy and they makes the best crafted armor and weapons in the game, I would have to agree it was defiately over a mine.
 
Which brings me to my next thought why all of a sudden after what 2 years of existance do the Devs release Trade V2 and only have 5 Silversteel mines, perhaps it's a plot by the Devs to instigate a world war.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 14:37
Kurdruk i better own up to a stoush EE had with Dlords over a couple of mines that ESCAPE wanted. We thought we had an arrangement but stuff happened and i kicked ESCAPE from EE. It was EE initiated, over a mine, and Dlords and EE worked out an accomodation, no-one else got involved. And Belargyle was quite polite about the whole thing. But it was hardly a war, more of a freindly stoush
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 14:10
Originally posted by Drejan Drejan wrote:

Consone is shown here as a peacefull confederation, it's not, they have been overaggressive since the first week, for what i see the policy for many alliance of Consone is more or less "strike first think/talk after, you will have backup if you need".

There is an alliance that has exactly that policy. It's yours. DLords.

Since you are in DLords, presumably your leaders will be happy for me to forward to you the IGMs from them where they make this clear.

On the other hand, I would be interested to know, with specific examples, where this has been Consone policy. Maybe it is. Maybe I'm wrong. But I doubt it.

No doubt there are utter jerks in Consone. They get everywhere. When I look down the list of jerks I've had to deal with over the gatherable resources, they are in (roughly in chronological order) Aesir, DLords, EE, WE, RES, Crows, nCrow, Inspirations. Meanwhile, the people I've seen being really cool and constructive about gatherables are in Crows, Grail, WLR, H?, EE, Inspirations. There is no rule here - no great generalisation that can be made. People are all different.

But if you have any actual proof of this Concone evil that you are trying to describe, do post it here. And please IGM me to let me know it's here. I'll happily come here, read it, and apologise if I'm wrong.

Otherwise, I'll be ignoring these threads from here on in. The desperate attempts of the aggressors to smear Consone to justify their obnoxiousness are not worth reading. By now, everyone knows what's going on here, and they've made their decision about whether or not they care.
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