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Poll Question: Should the devs remove the option to gift medals outside the alliance?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 17:35
For the sake of clarity of discussion, in what ways would one player "force" another to buy a medal? With a threat of siege or attacks? And if so, how is that different than someone "forcing" another player to do anything else in game (name a city after something, move a city, sing a song in global chat)? 

Basically, if someone attempted to "force" another player to do something they don't want to do, and there is no game mechanic that actually allows for them to force the action, the option is always there to say "no." Then if someone says "no, I won't do this thing you are trying to force me to do" then if players continue to attack one another (or whatever else the condition was) is that not a legitimate use of game mechanics? And then wouldn't the community, rather than the dev team, be able to determine what the norm would be as a response to this action. Much like how the community tends to disfavor a larger player attacking a new player. There's no game mechanic saying you shouldn't do this, but the community constructs and enforces what it considers to be the norm or the "right" way of acting. 

Whether or not this is a very nice thing to do another player, is a matter of opinion in which the dev team would remain neutral. With the exception being that if one player could show that another was harassing them in a manner that was against the code of conduct. 

This is an interesting discussion for sure and something for us all to think about. I do appreciate hearing from people their opinions on the matter. Certainly not a way in which I'd predicted the medals would be used, to say the least.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 17:21
Originally posted by Bonaparta Bonaparta wrote:

Auraya please stop making fuss about nothing. First of all how other alliances negotiate for cease fire and peace is none of your concern and second you have no idea what was going on in negotiations, perhaps TRO proposed medals in the first place...

It seems very likely that an alliance with a large alliance pool would offer a medal as compensation to end a war. Medals, after all, aren't something people just throw around like cattle. 

Medals provide flexibility to the game. You can flex them however you want. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 17:16
Originally posted by Auraya Auraya wrote:

 If you can still vote on the poll, you've simply not voted. 
Good idea, testing it again I could vote NO.  Maybe it's a bug, and I've now voted twice...Confused   

Ob on topic:  I'm no big fan of the medals, but some folks like it.  Giving medals to folks outside of my own alliance is the only feature I like.  But not for a lost war, any P including the daily free P is real money.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 17:14
Personally I find it disgusting to mix real money issues into the game. 

Not making an example out of the current strife I'll stick to plain speculation.

If a leader had lost a war/conflict, and his/her members were under the threat of annihilation, there is no determinable length as to how far said leader could be pushed into paying "protection money" for his alliance. In fact the consequences can end up turning this game into something it was never intended.

I find the new usage of the medals rather provocative and offensive, tho to be fair I don't think it should have consequences for the involved parties this time around. 
But in the future, making such demands should imo have quite tangible consequences.

Thats all.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 17:10
Auraya please stop making fuss about nothing. First of all how other alliances negotiate for cease fire and peace is none of your concern and second you have no idea what was going on in negotiations, perhaps TRO proposed medals in the first place...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 17:05
medals can be used as an incentive to agree upon peace, and a request to end war. This just adds another layer of depth to our sandbox. 

An alliance is perfectly entitled to say "buy me a medal, or else!" But by doing so they could risk becoming a huge target for white knights. It all comes down to diplomacy, and game play persona. Two aspects that Illyriad shines at. 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 17:03
Originally posted by dunnoob dunnoob wrote:

The vote link was posted in GC without explanation, and clicking on it casted a vote for I don't know what.Dead

If Rill voted no, I'm not sure but I'd suspect you voted yes. If Rill voted yes, you've voted no. Please just state opinion here and I apologise for not double checking my link. If you can still vote on the poll, you've simply not voted. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 16:56
I'm not sure about removing the ability to gift medals, but this is a VERY good reason to avoid having medals confer any additional benefits (like spells or something).  As we have seen, this would be very easy to turn the wrong way.

I have gotten medals from alliances other than mine, and I have been very honored by it.  At the same time, I would rather it not be an option given how it has recently been used.

I would rather it not be an option, but I'm not sure it shouldn't be -- in general I am supportive of more choices rather than fewer.

On the other hand, I wouldn't mind if medals went away entirely.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 16:55
The vote link was posted in GC without explanation, and clicking on it casted a vote for I don't know what.Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 16:55
personally, I think medals can be used as an incentive, and reward, within an alliance,
fullfilling certain roles, reaching set targets....
to award medals to anyone outside an alliance, there's too much chance of the system being abused, in various ways
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