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The_Dude 
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 2396
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 Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 20:10 |
Medals used as tribute payment to end hostilities means real money is required for a player to play Illy. This is exactly the opposite of the single most attractive element of Illy as an MMO - you can succeed without spending money. This system reverses that. There is a real danger that soon players will be demanding Medals from others to avoid attacks - what Luna calls PvP. If this happens in RL, it is called Extortion.
Medals are being used purely to divide players between Medals and Non-Medals: Money players and Non-money players. Medals are the single most obnoxious element of Illy.
Introduction of Medals indicates that the Dev team is trying to permanently alter to community of Illy towards the typical play-to-win MMO. That's a shame.
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scottfitz
Forum Warrior
Joined: 22 Apr 2010
Location: Spokane WA USA
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Points: 433
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Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 20:09 |
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I do not think there should be a GM prohibition of such an action, that feels like something the community should work out for ourselves. (I do think the whole idea is despicable though)
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GM Luna
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Community Manager
Joined: 22 Oct 2011
Location: Illyriad
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Points: 2042
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Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 20:02 |
I have no interest in say who can attack (in game mechanic terms) who, when and for what reason in game. And using your armies or diplos against another player is not harassment, it is PVP. If you are feeling harassed in other ways, please contact me though.
Luna
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GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk 
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geofrey
Postmaster General
Joined: 31 May 2011
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Points: 1013
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Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 19:55 |
 SugarFree wrote:
ban, the condict stuff is not a "in game rule of conduct" more like a communication rule.this kind of rule have no effect on gameplay, as gameplay is not regulated. like rill said, no written rules can or should, for all what matters, stop a player from acting as he likes in game, even if he stomps your towns to dust, he is not bullying you if in PMs and on forums he is polite to you and doesn't lack respect/ doesn't insult. you can feel abused by such a in-game behavior but it's not against the technical rules. ( thanks gosh to that)
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lol i could see it now... DEVS! I submitted a petition because sugarfree sent thieves to rob me! He's harassing me! make it so no one can harass me with diplomats or armies!!!!
...soon...
DEVS!!!!! your game sucks, it has became farmville
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SugarFree
Forum Warrior
Joined: 09 Feb 2012
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Points: 350
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Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 19:51 |
ban, the condict stuff is not a "in game rule of conduct" more like a communication rule. this kind of rule have no effect on gameplay, as gameplay is not regulated. like rill said, no written rules can or should, for all what matters, stop a player from acting as he likes in game, even if he stomps your towns to dust, he is not bullying you if in PMs and on forums he is polite to you and doesn't lack respect/ doesn't insult. you can feel abused by such a in-game behavior but it's not against the technical rules. ( thanks gosh to that)
Edited by SugarFree - 20 Jul 2012 at 19:52
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
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Points: 6903
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Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 19:46 |
The devs make no statement about bullyng, at least that I've seen. That is community-defined.
If you are concerned that you are being harassed or that you see someone else being harassed but are not sure whether it is harassment, you could file a petition. The devs will make their decision. Not really for us to debate.
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bansisdead
Postmaster
Joined: 08 Jan 2012
Location: UK
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Points: 609
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Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 19:31 |
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I think a more in depth explanation of the meaning of words like 'harassment' and 'bullying' from the rule makers would add clarification to this debate.
Edited by bansisdead - 20 Jul 2012 at 19:32
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bansisdead
Postmaster
Joined: 08 Jan 2012
Location: UK
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Points: 609
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Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 19:27 |
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Bullying is harassment imo Rill. Abuse and harassment is both forbidden from in-game and forums according to the CoC. There is a difference between sieging a city and demanding prestige indirectly.
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geofrey
Postmaster General
Joined: 31 May 2011
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Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 19:16 |
bansisdead wrote:
GM Luna wrote:
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Isn't forcing some one to do something they do not wish to do a form of bullying or harassment, which would be forbidden according of the ToS?
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Luna's whole point was that this kindof "enforcement" is no different than any other form of conflict in the game.
Before medals were introduced, the terms of a ceasefire could include requiring you to make me a sitter on your account. This is far more intrusive than a medal, and no one has complained about that.
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
Status: Offline
Points: 6903
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Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 19:12 |
bansisdead wrote:
GM Luna wrote:
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Isn't forcing some one to do something they do not wish to do a form of bullying or harassment, which would be forbidden according of the ToS?
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Bullying is not forbidden by the code of conduct; the code is silent on the issue. Abuse, harassment and name-calling are forbidden. Although it is not specifically stated, this seems to refer to verbal (chat, forum or mail) interactions rather than use of game mechanics.
Burning someone's cities to the ground, constantly blighting them, sending multiple waves of thieves and diplos are all types of "harassment" that seem to be allowable under game rules. The only limitations on this sort of activity are community norms, as Kumomoto referenced.
Everything* is permissible. Not all things are beneficial. Hopefully the collective wisdom of the community will navigate the best course in this situation.
*As limited by game mechanics and the code of conduct.
Edited by Rill - 20 Jul 2012 at 19:13
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