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    Posted: 25 Oct 2012 at 21:39
Well. The current sad state of affairs in beautiful Illyriad has reached the point where I feel no choice but to wade in to the cesspool that passes for a great deal of posts on this forum. Most of the posts are of the following types: pedantic, bravado, spin, ego stroking (both self and of others), inability to refrain from seeking attention, self-serving, attempts to troll one party or the other, and outright lies. Very few posts simply convey information, ask questions,  or offer ideas and opinions in a manner that would encourage any sincere response save one born out of baser emotions.  Sad.

I can and will simply tell you what this war is, at least at the beginning before the vultures and opportunists became involved.  Most of you know whether you admit it or not. H? has been opposed to the very concept of any group such as Consone. Consone was formed, and H?, or more specifically people such as Kumo and the boys, went pouty bang bang and begin devising ways they could remove the threat to themselves they felt this posed. There were several that were on the table, and these no later than July. Don't believe any denials, they are flat out lies. I've heard the plans and discussions myself. One was use of another alliance to act as a stalking horse to initiate hostilities with a Consone alliance. This alliance would have no public connection to H?, but "private diplomacy" would be in place with them. When an opportunity to engage in a conflict with any Consone member could conceivably be used as the cause for war, that opportunity would be used. The "private diplomatic ties" would then provide the fig leaf H? wanted to enter the war.  Consone would then either have to act to protect a member alliance, as it is one of their stated purposes, or not act and lose any semblance reality as a viable group. Either way H? gets what it wants, the elimination of Consone as a threat. Sound familiar? Resemble any thing going on?

It is a perfectly good strategy, simple and well thought out, if a tad obvious. I don't object to it at all. What I object to is the laughable and cowardly denials and lies offered up in defense of it. This a war game, as you say, many of you ad nauseum. If done openly it could be admired, even while being opposed by those targeted as well as their friends and allies. But knowing the reaction of the Illyriad world at large, and in particular concerned with being able to spin and blow, lie and threaten in GC and the Forum to keep people from thinking of the consequences of such an action, the lie has to be maintained. Because if all this was openly know to be what it is, people would really have to make some decisions. Luckily so far, most of the shuffling masses are too afraid of taking a stand. There are many noticeable exceptions to this though, aren't there? That came as a bit of a surprise!

This ends my first communication in to the realities of Illyriad. I do not apologize for the length of this post, even though so many feel the need to offer  "witty" comments on how they quit reading at such and such a point, or how they had a myriad of better things to do with their time than read it. I always get a good chuckle at those, you people who say such things live on the forum and GC. what you really mean is you lack the will, intelligence, or attention span to focus on anything beyond comic book blurbs and taunts.

I will not respond to any questions or attempts to draw me out. I do not seek dialog, but to merely offer information. What you do with it, if anything, is up to you. Shortly I will post on the many mistakes of Consone, and point out some of the less obvious beneficiaries of our current hostilities. My admiration goes to those of you who are able to disagree with out being disagreeable, and who admire honesty above cleverness. Now, you same predictable people, offer your opinions, +1's to supposed clever posts, and pointless diversions, and your changeable "beliefs" that seem have a magical ability of being the exact opposite of your many numerous posts in threads long past.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 2012 at 22:05
Thanks for the information.

As I'm a Consone player, we suspected it to be this way. If you really have intel into H?'s interior discussions, I can only guess at, as you were so wise as to stay inkognito.

Now I'm really interested in your view on Consone.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 2012 at 22:07
Originally posted by LionArse LionArse wrote:

It is a perfectly good strategy, simple and well thought out, if a tad obvious. I don't object to it at all. What I object to is the laughable and cowardly denials and lies offered up in defense of it.
Well some have. The issue is no one person from either side will openly speak the same opinion.

Tbh when I saw the thread title I thought it was going to be a list of facts about the war that couldn't be refuted, i.e. what attacks happened when, who declared war on who when, the sieges, official statements and the like. You make an incredibly logical argument and for the most part it's sound, but it's still an argument. Another "discussion" thread to be thrown under the grinders.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 2012 at 22:10
If I am to understand you correctly, the purpose of your post was to give transparency to the initiation of this war. And to finally clarify once and for all any theories that H? orchestrated this whole thing. 

While I find your purpose very admirable, there is 1 flaw in your logic. Anyone can make an anonymous forum account and post whatever truths they want. They can sound mysteriously informed and in the know without mentioning who they actually are. So long as you do not identify yourself by your in-game handle, and therefor what information you would actually be privy to, the authenticity of your post remains questionable. 

I want to believe you, but I must remain skeptical that this is but another move to be played in the world of Illyriad. Curse you George Martin for making me know everyone is plotting something. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 2012 at 22:13
Originally posted by geofrey geofrey wrote:

Curse you George Martin for making me know everyone is plotting something. 
Ignorance is bliss...Ful ignorance :P
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 2012 at 22:16
Originally posted by geofrey geofrey wrote:

While I find your purpose very admirable, there is 1 flaw in your logic. Anyone can make an anonymous forum account and post whatever truths they want. They can sound mysteriously informed and in the know without mentioning who they actually are. So long as you do not identify yourself by your in-game handle, and therefor what information you would actually be privy to, the authenticity of your post remains questionable. 

You don't need access to secret planning sessions to work any of that out though.  It's pretty obvious.  

No offense, but there's really no news here.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 2012 at 22:30
Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

Originally posted by geofrey geofrey wrote:

While I find your purpose very admirable, there is 1 flaw in your logic. Anyone can make an anonymous forum account and post whatever truths they want. They can sound mysteriously informed and in the know without mentioning who they actually are. So long as you do not identify yourself by your in-game handle, and therefor what information you would actually be privy to, the authenticity of your post remains questionable. 

You don't need access to secret planning sessions to work any of that out though.  It's pretty obvious.  

No offense, but there's really no news here.  

Yes, but it has the advantage to be well and clearly explained. Of course, no evidence can be given by this anonymous writer, and even if he gave his in game name, i dont see in what it could've been much of an evidence. Even screen shots of discussions can be modified, anyone announcing an evidence on a forum, actually is giving none... and anyway, private conversations copy/past are prohibited here. It's a forum, so everything is open to debate, which can explain why some play with it, and play on the semantics of anything as a lawyer would do. 
What is said above correspond to the sudoku i have. Im interested in reading your reflexion about Consone's mistakes, and beneficiaries of this conflict, even if i suppose it will join mine.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 2012 at 22:32
Originally posted by Loud Whispers Loud Whispers wrote:

Originally posted by geofrey geofrey wrote:

Curse you George Martin for making me know everyone is plotting something. 
Ignorance is bliss...Ful ignorance :P

"Always keep your foes confused. If they are never certain who you are or what you want, they cannot know what you are like to do next. Sometimes the best way to baffle them is to make moves that have no purpose, or even seem to work against you. Remember that, when you come to play the game."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 2012 at 22:34
Originally posted by Loud Whispers Loud Whispers wrote:

 
Tbh when I saw the thread title I thought it was going to be a list of facts about the war that couldn't be refuted, i.e. what attacks happened when, who declared war on who when, the sieges, official statements and the like. 

Would love a post exactly as you described. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 2012 at 22:56
Originally posted by geofrey geofrey wrote:

Originally posted by Loud Whispers Loud Whispers wrote:

 
Tbh when I saw the thread title I thought it was going to be a list of facts about the war that couldn't be refuted, i.e. what attacks happened when, who declared war on who when, the sieges, official statements and the like. 

Would love a post exactly as you described. 

Would be nice to know what was going on...

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This thread is obviously an opinion and holds no elements of evidence, per se. However it is a nicely stated and well orchestrated narrative. For that I commend you. But does anyone really know what happened? Probably not and it will most likely remain a mystery.

I like the idea that you'll post your opinion on both sides of the line. It puts you in the middle of the "H? is evil" conspirators party and the "Consone is a bully" conspirators party.


Really there was no point to my post since everyone already knows what I'm saying but I felt I had to get in on the action. Smile


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