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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 15:16
Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

Oh noes, a siege.  Tongue  Maybe I'd have lost another building level or two.  Just think of all those long minutes of resource production I'd have lost.  And while his 500 units made an annoyance of themselves, what of the 3,500 troops that sat in his town?

H? was more concerned with keeping our smaller players out of battle so they'd have continued opportunity for growth.  Military score holds no value over economic output, and Diablito knows he's not doing you any favors by cutting your teeth.  He has already watched others rocket far ahead of him while he carefully groomed an army and single commander, and what has he gotten out of that?  He knocked down one level of one of my buildings.  I was rebuilt within the day.  And we both know that's why White has instead chosen to harass our smallest members.  You've already admitted defeat by your actions.

Also, perhaps you can explain to me how your 30+ commanders acquired experience while dead.  Next time you place your armies in the hands of one dictator, make sure he has not myopically focused on one strength to the exclusion of even basic protection against other threats.

Ehm, I have 3 commanders at around lvl 30 and one lvl 8 commander and your intel about troop numbers are equally off, I had 4100 units defending me, I did however KILL 3.500 H? soldiers attacking me.

To this date you've not made ONE succesfull attack on my capital of Gay Paris (or a SINGLE white town as far as i'm aware of).

Where as we daily attack H? members with siege, knocking down upto a douzen buildings per day overall, yeah i'm sure your members think of this all as a mild inconvience.

We attack anyone wearing an H? tag because wearing an H? tag is showing support for your continued acts of aggression, you may speak of peace but diplomatic attacks, 24/7 negative spells on my city (for weeks before this war ever started) speak for themselves, you did what you could to provoke this war.

If these new players want to stop being attacked all they have to do is leave H? and all attacks cease immidately, they chose to join the largest alliance in the game, an alliance that conducted aggressive policies towards other alliances and by doing that they chose to take the risk of attack.

You whine and talk about honour and justice, but we all know what you are.

You cry to be left alone, to be left to grow, but when you've grown, when you're strong enough, you will set policy, you will write a sub-set of rules to those put down by the GM's, you will enforce YOUR ideas and opinions on this game and don't think for a godamn second I will permit it.

I'll fight this "utopia" of yours to my last soldier, and judging by our perfect attack/defence ratio, I dare say i'm doing pretty damn good.

You say I leave my members out to dry, I take care of my members, thats why they're tearing yours to pieces, thats why non of my members suffer in this war yet yours are wailing for help.

In White, we care about our new players, we don't just have them around for cannon fodder.

I'd like to ask the members of H? something directly. Do they tell you their plans? Do they include you in the planning process? Do they activly organice you? Do THEY ever send YOU resources? Or do they leave you in the dark, do they have you boost them so that they can win this war for you?

Well I have a news flash for you, 200k stone isn't going to win this war, your leaders have turtled up in a defensive position not even trying to mount an attack not defending a single member, just absorbing as much resources as they can and growing their score.

Well **** score, score doesn't matter, people matter, so you can take your score and shuv it up your ass HM, I don't give a sh*t where I am on the rankings, I care about my members.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 14:40
Oh noes, a siege.  Tongue  Maybe I'd have lost another building level or two.  Just think of all those long minutes of resource production I'd have lost.  And while his 500 units made an annoyance of themselves, what of the 3,500 troops that sat in his town?

H? was more concerned with keeping our smaller players out of battle so they'd have continued opportunity for growth.  Military score holds no value over economic output, and Diablito knows he's not doing you any favors by cutting your teeth.  He has already watched others rocket far ahead of him while he carefully groomed an army and single commander, and what has he gotten out of that?  He knocked down one level of one of my buildings.  I was rebuilt within the day.  And we both know that's why White has instead chosen to harass our smallest members.  You've already admitted defeat by your actions.

Also, perhaps you can explain to me how your 30+ commanders acquired experience while dead.  Next time you place your armies in the hands of one dictator, make sure he has not myopically focused on one strength to the exclusion of even basic protection against other threats.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 14:10
On the point of attacking our reinforcements at Gay Paris instead of attacking us ourselves: attacking us would have been a terrible idea. Diablito is significantly closer than effectively all of our members (trust me I know muahahahhaa) and if you had chosen to take your armies on the longer detours to attack us, he would have sieged you all while you sat defenseless. So no, Diablito was clearly the prime target, we all wanted a fight, so we went to where the fight was. Thanks for the epic commander xp btw :D

I should also note that unlike with H? we have been coordinating smaller attacks by our smaller members, helping them actively participate if they aren't setup for front line engagements. We're doing this for all of us, not solely because of Diablito's delusions of grandeur :p
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 11:25
Originally posted by Diablito Diablito wrote:

You're free to play this game however you want, as long as you want to play it the way H? tells you to play it.

I take it then that you will never react to the actions of other players around you.  You'd never complain, for example, of a non-member account well known to be an H? alt sending a few potshots for kicks while you make grand proposals of backstabbing DA.  And you'd never attack another alliance under the guise of being "for the good of the server."  And it certainly wouldn't be while you make grand proposals of helping us destroy one of our own members because he doesn't toe the line we presumably drew.  One might have thought you'd welcome him with open arms when he applied to White.

Originally posted by Diablito Diablito wrote:

Perhaps those six members, those six top ten members who constantly leech resources from the alliance to power their cities while their members burn, should try focusing on their alliance rather than themselves for a second.

Our members have eagerly volunteered their resources because they want them used to put you out of our misery, not pillaged from their defenseless or unmanned accounts by the very aggressors attacking them.  We weren't even being supplied until you started attacking our non-combatants, most of whom are too small to even have troops in quantity or quality worth mention, and most of whom were conveniently away when you struck.  Our most ardent suppliers are the ones you constantly attack.  Heck, I should thank you for bolstering the camaraderie and loyalty of our members.  They make me proud.  And they know whom to blame for their misery.  You have left them no other productive avenue for participation in the game.  They can't grow under the constant waves of saboteurs, rebuild their military strength under the constant military attacks.

For weeks I watched half of your alliance send constant reinforcements to your personal capital.  No doubt this was purely "for the good of the alliance."  We have the names and activity logs of every member who has aided both the war and your defense personally (and it's quite a list...far longer than the list of our own suppliers).  We knew which members were rendering themselves helpless for your cause.

We chose to directly confront you and that power defense you erected most clearly just for your own good, instead of attacking those players who rendered themselves defenseless on your behalf.  Attacking them would have been good strategy.  But we don't need to lower ourselves to your standards.  We've seen your type too.  Alliances like White always crumble when faced with fair opposition, because the members get to see who really expects members to sacrifice themselves for the good of their leaders.

Furthermore, we don't consider the mere wearing of an alliance tag as presumption of guilt.  Not everyone in your alliance contributes to the war effort, and we would offer clemency to those who continue their non-involvement.  To those who have contributed, and seen what White/Black costs them (surely you didn't think we missed Black's involvement either), we offer time to consider their actions.  We're not going to relentlessly gank smaller players for making bad decisions one time, now or later.  We know who is responsible for the choices of White as an alliance, and it is they whom we hold accountable.

Originally posted by Diablito Diablito wrote:

Long, aimless rant with no substance or logic.

I normally make far more detailed point-by-point rebuttal, but this hardly seems worth the effort.  I'm a busy man these days.  As for your ludicrous claims of stagnancy...I shouldn't even bother dignifying that with a response either, but here goes:

I've seen your "chaos."  It does mean more war--constant, unrelenting war against smaller players while the bigger get constantly bigger.  It means an experience of pure frustration for new players trying to participate possibly for the first time while a few experienced bands rape and pillage all for their accelerated growth.  It means people quitting the game on a higher order of magnitude while the most talented rule the ruin-littered roost.  Only the most committed (as in round-the-clock vigilance) are allowed to survive.  Thoughts of real-life or friendly dispute have no place in White's world.

And as for us and our stagnating ways?  For someone who prides himself in his spies and subterfuge, you should know what P.E.A.C.E. means by now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Apr 2010 at 20:44
Posting in a Thread.

/me sends armies out Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Apr 2010 at 19:31
Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

Try adding the Black Company stooges to the count...
 
right, cause that 6508 additional population which reflects resource/arms production better than number of members really puts us over the top...Oh wait it still doesn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Apr 2010 at 18:34
Methinks he doth protest too much...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Apr 2010 at 17:53
Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

Diab--
 
For the record, you have more members than we do. So stop trying to pass yourself off as the "underdog" or small alliance being oppressed by the evil H?...
 
Also, for the record, we did not attack you. You attacked us. We are merely defending ourselves from your aggression. To claim that you are doing so in the interest of saving Illyriad from domination by H? is an incredibly thin argument. In a game that has 8,500 players, how can the 75 members of H? possibly be in any position to "dominate"?
 
We, like everyone else, are trying to be as strong an alliance as we can and do as well as we can in this game. And we have never and will never tell everyone else what to do.
 
But we will defend what is ours and refute spurious justifications for those who attack us.
 
K.

The fact that you completely dominate the rankings, that you huddle together with your great capital cluster at x21y16 in an attempt to make it impossible for any alliance to challenge you. The fact that your population count is vastly above ours even if we include our newbie training wing, these facts are gently pushed under the rug in your post.

The fact that you have been constantly casting offensive spells on White members for weeks before this began, the fact that you have been positioning and jockying for power and position, these you all quite ignore.

The plan of H? is this.

They wish to build themselves into a position of power where no one can challenge them, they will offer you kind words of friendship and of honour, they will greet you with a smile, and they will do no harm...openly, to anyone, though their alts under the tags of other alliances or no tag at all will be at your back with a dagger, as was Naive's alt Mars, when he came to irc to speak of peace to me several week ago.

You have openly admitted, that your Diplomat came to me long before this war began, speaking of peace, while his alt outside your alliance waged war on me, and not only admit it, mocked me for being so foolish as to grant you my hand in the spirit of cooperation.

I told you then it was war, and yet you act as if you are suprised?

You have proven yourself to me as what you are, you come in peace until you have a position of power where you can not be challenged, at which point you impose your rules, at which point liberty dies!

Well as long as I draw breath liberty in Illyriad will not die! I will fight you to the last breath, and so far I am doing very well at it!

I have burned city after city, every day our siege engines knock out more of your buildings, yet you dont care, because we have been unable to attack your leadership.

Yes, that's why they don't care, we can only attack the outlying members of H? the unimportant members of H?, that is....everyone except those six and about three of their friends he mentioned, those are the only players any effort is being taken to defend. I should however, say all efforts.

Yet despite this our valiant warriors have struck many blows, where your own simply glance off, because in White we are not just a group of 9 people using the rest of our members for our own benefit (much the same way you intend to use this entire game to your benefit).

We are an alliance, we are brothers and sisters in arms, we defend, we attack, we cooperate, all in unison.

In White every member knows what happens, we do not hide our information, paranoid that any member will betray us or be too stupid to handle it, we inform them, we educate them, we appreciate and value them!

And this is why we are winning, this is why you have yet to strike a single blow against my city, and if I am to believe my mail this morning, you now plan to get your "great victory" by assaulting my new third city, which I have been able to put up despite your pitiful, constant assaults.

To send a massive siege army to destroy a lvl 3 farm or a lvl 4 library, what a great victory you seek, do you really think so little of your members, that they would be impressed by such a pitiful act that they will forget that you're letting them burn?

I see you for what you are H? and I will not stand idly by and let you get away with it.

I will destroy H? if it is the last thing I do and I will do it in the name of liberty, so that any man or woman of this game is free to attack whoever they want, be it even myself!

Peace, stability, these are other words for stagnation, boredom, caravan spinning.

You come here, you say I am the villain, yet behind your back you hold the vial of poison which you seek to pour into the very soul of Illyriad.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Apr 2010 at 17:47
Try adding the Black Company stooges to the count...

Edited by Kumomoto - 27 Apr 2010 at 17:49
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Apr 2010 at 17:46
In what country is 75 > 60?
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