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Points: 86 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2012 at 11:43
Originally posted by Silent/Steadfast Silent/Steadfast wrote:

In order to help the oppressed masses push away the boot of harmless? tyranny, we must strike at the root of the corruption!  Only if H?'s leaders are destroyed will illyriad finally rest soundly, free from the blanket of stifling heat that prompts us to utilize the weak fan of peaceful rebellion to no avail.  Verily, we shall rise from the overly soft mattress of prevents free movement, and our days shall be sunny and our sheets flannel!  

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Points: 17 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2012 at 12:24
Looks like nightfury has forgotten to take his meds again.
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Sorry, nightfury, that should have read Silent/Steadfast.  My mistake
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Points: 1191 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2012 at 13:09
Although I think H? and friends/allies are easily much MORE than a broad enough spectrum of stages of development, strategies and races to self-support each other in a market-type situation alone even if the rest of the neutral community did somehow manage to sustain a boycott.

At the end of the day people will take the best offer themselves. When I offer 10k saddles on the market for sale at a better price than anyone else in Illy at a given moment then people will doubtlessly factor in the distance of sale and take the best offer they can. It will probably surprise many of the more vociferous public forum goers but the truth is that the vast majority of Illy community does not have any personal or idealistic problems with H? as an alliance.

Besides - the way the market is designed the most effective any boycott could ever be would be 50%.
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Points: 139 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2012 at 13:35
Piffle, everyone takes all this far tooooo seriously.
I have no problem whatsoever with H? in general, I didn't like the recent actions (but then no-one and certainly no alliance is perfect).  I decided that RugRats proposed action of sending resources to help Taelin meant I could signify my dislike of recent events without having to open my mouth and rant at anyone - which would be an exercise in total futility if ever I saw one.  Made sense to me anyway. I doubt I could boycott anyone and have any effect whatsoever.
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Points: 553 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2012 at 19:54
Sending resources to taelin would have little to no effect on any aspect of this conflict, because a) taelin was not directly involved (wasn't the sieger or siegee) b) Has not suffered in any major way (2k troops isn't a major loss) and c) probably has enough resources stored already.  

Boycotting H? goods would also have little effect on the conflict, because a) only 50% of market transactions can be boycotted, b) By buying up everything except H? goods, H? things become cheaper than everything else, which lowers prices (which isn't that bad of a thing unless you are selling stuff) c) H? can PROBABLY survive just fine without selling a bunch of stuff, and d) not buying H?s arms means that H? gets more arms because of it... 

Also, H? really didn't act that badly in this conflict.  They acted logically, which led to their actions being portrayed as cold-hearted and wrong.  
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Points: 6903 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2012 at 20:37
The 50% argument is based on the assumption that people would actually use the market for their transactions rather than developing an informal trading system.  Effecting significant changes in market mechanics in MMORTS such as this one is exceedingly difficult and has but a modest (perhaps mostly symbolic) effect.

The best I've ever been able to achieve in the long term was about a 50% increase in the cost of food in an Evony-like game, and that required the cooperation of about 2/3 of the top alliances.  Its effect on warfare was likely minimal, but its effect on morale was significant.

Boycotts and other forms of passive resistance are most effective when the power being resisted has 1) a reputation that it perceives as valuable or 2) a conscience.

Both of these conditions are in general met by most participants in the world of Illyriad.
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Points: 894 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2012 at 20:40
Silent, you sure you arent confusing things?

h? Sieged, VALAR defended, H? demanded VALAR pay for the troops that died while attacking VALAR's town

VALAR did nothing before this.

VALAR acted logically which led to H? actions being shown as cold-hearted and wrong
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Points: 924 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2012 at 20:52
Originally posted by Calico_Jack Calico_Jack wrote:

Silent, you sure you arent confusing things?

h? Sieged, VALAR defended, H? demanded VALAR pay for the troops that died while attacking VALAR's town

VALAR did nothing before this.

VALAR acted logically which led to H? actions being shown as cold-hearted and wrong


Tut tut. Context please.

Valar located a city 3 squares from our member.
The player becomes Suspended (not inactive).
Harmless player removes inappropriately located suspended city.
Valar attacks. (And in doing so attempts to militarily enforce their 'right' to have a city 3 squares from our players).
Harmless seek restitution.

See the funny thing is, if an active player placed a city 3 squares away from our member's, not a peep would be heard about its removal. Now factor in the player becomes suspended. But I digress...

Now stop throwing mud.
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Points: 225 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2012 at 21:06
I am organizing a peaceful protest.

The plan: To sit on the lawn of Centrum [0|0] with posters and picket signs. 
(Make sure to bring a blanket to sit on as the terrain consists of plains, clay, stony ground, and sharp crags.  We might be there a while, so make sure to bring a good book and some snacks.  I recommend fig newtons because they are filling and healthy.)
The time: 5 minutes from now.
(Be there or be square!)
Our demands: Removal of the "?" after the alliance name "Harmless?"
(Why?  Because we don't want to have any questions regarding their stance on aggression.  The question mark is misleading.  It causes many to believe that they are generally peaceful and therefore not capable of wrong doings.  With the removal of the "?" we can paint them as hypocrites for acting in direct violation of their public stance on aggression.  Until then, they get away with being human just like the rest of us!  This is unacceptable.)

Stand with me!  We must rally against this injustice! 

(If for any reason this protest should fail, I encourage everyone to write letters to their senators on the matter.)
Aarrr! Thar be no better friend than making friends with a pirate!
~SouthSeasPirates~
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