RE Stance...

Rill wrote: I hope that he will see the experience of folks from his alliance and other alliances that those who make peace are treated with respect.

this would seem to be just the point. RE speaks its mind after making peace, they are advised they are in danger of restarting the conflict. when H? brought out EE's agreement to end the Consone conflict as justification for declaring war, they were criticised for resurrecting ancient history. Kilotov leaves because old grudges are never forgiven. are alliances granted peace, or eternal probation?

Any player can say whatever they want without having to fear retribution...and if you have to turn into a bully to fight the bullies then you're no better than them and we all lose.

Pellinell wrote: Surrendering to bullies only ensures you will be bullied again.

Guess you'd have to ask Consone members if that's true or not.  Although many of them are probably fighting this war to stop the bullying I guess.

Dlord Members have voted  in staying in the war so dont blame anything on Belargyle Dlords  is fighting  for what they believe is right and everyone should respect that.

belargyle wrote: This is one of the reasons surrender, to some groups, is not an option nor is it for many individuals. You have to not only be continually sucking up to their egos (speak nice nice or you will be back in the war) but you must also leave your tongue hanging out at all time so you can lick their feel when they happen by... oh, and smile while you do it apparently.  -- This is regardless of who is at war with whom -- If you feel like he slapped you.. suck it! Anyone who isn't looking to bring RE back into the war for their own personal agenda can see the thread isn't intending on conveying any such insult. Seriously, You guys/gals crack me up P.S. Dlord hasn't had 'tremendous losses' (lol). Yes, we have had some cities lost - so what, that doesn't even account for 1/10 of our what we have so keep the spin to a minimum. Let's use the phrase 'tremendous losses' when a group has lost 1/4 or more of their towns. I would agree that any group who lost at least that amount of cities would indeed constitute using the phrase, 'tremendous losses'.

I guess what it comes down to is what you value in this game;

Do you value your alliance members as friends?
Do you value their 10th cities that they have struggled for so long to build?

If you do, as I do then I would say DLords have suffered some tremendous loses; Friends leaving through your unwillingness to even symbolically attempt to defend them, many 10th cities lost and populations lowered to levels were they will struggle to build their 9th again.

But if you do not value what your members have attained, if you view them as mere canon fodder in your war, rather than friends; then I guess I can understand your claims here.

So lets accept this inability to place personal value on things in this game and place a mathematical measure on what can be considered a tremendous loss.  And lets accept your numerical value to that extent of 1/4.... Then I guess what should have been said is the tremendous loses of many DLords including Belargyle, rather than referring to your alliance as a whole.