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Originally posted by Praetor Nistiner Praetor Nistiner wrote:

Originally posted by Tamaeon Tamaeon wrote:

Originally posted by Praetor Nistiner Praetor Nistiner wrote:

Personnaly i believe  Peace was only made because  ditto intervened, But  that just my opinion im sure  zynot has all the mails and stuff and yes and we thanked Vcrow for there smooth negotiations, Iam refering to TVM Dlords and poor Gottfried and once  again u put RE into it- RE  part  specificly says we will stay out of conflicts and that the aggressive part is just my  opinion- and  i do think peace can be achieved.

Credit should definitely be given where it is due. Though I'm sure you know that peace wasn't only achieved through the successful efforts of Zynot and Dittobite. A very large part was thanks to the willingness of all parties (NAAM, CK, uCrow and RE especially...) to adhere to a lengthy cease fire. I don't want to highlight my own role here; but I do have to point out that uCrow negotiated the original cease fire between RE and CK, while pledging to abstain from hostilities towards RE. A feat which as you surely remember, was repaid with a war declaration from RE after uCrow declared on TCol.

That said; I do understand your reservations about the progress of the war and the enormous losses TVM, DLord and most recently TCol are suffering. I personally think all this destruction is unnecessary; but our side has no choice but to continue fighting as long as the other side refuses to do their part to help end the conflict. As long as they believe they can break our spirit, or even pull a hail mary... they will continue fighting in the hopes of achieving victory.

So I do respect your opinion, but your comments strike me as somewhat of a slap across the face. Putting all the blame on your former enemy for the toll the war is taking; without considering the coalition's contribution is frankly distasteful... especially considering that RE faired very well in the conflict.

Iam sorry u think i`ts a  slap in the face  it was last  of intentions-And we  thanked NAAM CK and u guys now for being coroporitive with Vcrow and Zynot-Zynot has been trying he`s best to talk with some leaders in the side of the coalition to end the war  but  principle and pride makes it impossible-Iam just  angry since many friends  have quit or been destroyed which is bad  i understand u are forced to do thus but u can just  attack and make sure they dont re build as off to completely  destroy everyone-RE has faired  well thnx to the hard work of the leadership and coroporitive  of all the alliance involved in the conflict with RE- Reason why i decided to post these to try and put an end  to comments that RE has intentions of   re joining the war  which is not the case. 

We know that RE won't rejoin the conflict; or at least, we trust you guys enough to not be concerned about that. As I said; I do respect your opinion, but disagree with what seemed as you blaming us for all the losses in the war.
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Perhaps I merely misunderstand you.  Can you clarify for me what exactly is one of the reasons surrender is not an option for some people?  Personally I'd be interested in hearing all of the reasons, but you seemed to allude to one specifically and I apparently don't properly understand what that reason is.

So, can you explain that reason, or by preference as many of the reasons as you're willing to share?

Perhaps that discussion should go in a different thread, since it seems that we've strayed from the original topic.
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In thy kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed is king...

PS: I am not sure I know what you are talking about with RE? As far as VIC's leadership knows, we haven't had any recent issues with RE. This is a serious matter to me. In what way precisely did VIC wronged RE?

PPS: I am a proud elf and I stick by my statement.

PPPS: Last I checked, numbers don't 'speak'. You seem to confuse the realm of numbers with the one of spinners. 

PPPPS: I think I understand why we can't see it eye-to-eye. As far I am concerned, and this is the only element I consider:  a city is 'lost' when .... it's no longer in the alliance's count!!.... full stop! I have never pretended to venture in the murky marshes of trying to understand for what reason (sieges, being kicked, going for a vacation trip in another alliance, moonlighting,...) a city is 'lost'. 

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Edited by Tatharion - 23 Jan 2014 at 08:59
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Tath,

If your balanced in any way or that the numbers you placed out there are, then I'm an Elf!

You can't even admit you messed up trying to 'prove' Dlord had more than 1/10 of our cities sieged so that you could try to openly 'correct me'  (*cough - shame me) cause numbers don't lie, and therefore be forced to admit Dlord does have tremendous losses.  But instead you proved that numbers do lie, IF you don't use them right nor have all your facts (which you didn't).

And I'll say this too - Leave RE alone As you said, you not in this but 'supposedly' neutral so stop harping on them. That was main and only point. They surrendered and was trying to make sure everyone understood they are not trying to enter the war effort.

I consider it a privilege to be your teacher :)


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Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

I am not sure that I miss your point so much as disagree with it, Bela.  I believe it is possible for a war to end with a negotiated peace in which people are treated with respect.  I hope to treat those who are on the other side with respect no matter which side wins.

What are you disagreeing with that I stated Rill??

Here is what I said, that you seem to disagree with:
Quote This is one of the reasons surrender, to some groups, is not an option nor is it for many individuals.

One of the reasons some will not surrender. I have never stated nor alluded to - it is not possible for a war to end in which people are treated with respect.

I stated that because of the attitudes of many, (contrary to your above) many will not surrender.

I'm missing something apparently. Please elaborate on where we disagree.
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Originally posted by belargyle belargyle wrote:

Tath,

Seriously, you don't seem to comprehend the BASIC mechanics of the game.
Our (as in Dlord) population and city count has very little to do with what you have sieged. Really, do I need to break it down for you. Apparently I do, so here you go...

Watch what happens with a player is kicked from Dlords, or after being inactive - disappears (and having 8 to 10 cities no less ... *gasp!!  You guessed it - reduction without a single city sieged.  Dlord has had some accounts we got rid of after the war started, and some disappeared. Not because you presume yourself to be 'that' that good.. LOL.

Pop drops, cities and land claims do as well when players get booted, or removed.

And as for city losses. Some of those losses are simply strategic for various reasons, but then you seem love presuming things you you seem to have little to no knowledge of.

Am I being somewhat obtuse and crass with you? Yes, cause I personally find your attitude more insolent than courteous. If you want to keep bashing on someone - HERE WE ARE! Just leave the ones who surrendered alone. If you desire to brag and boast - do it after the war. Till then it is all up in the air.

Bel,
 
It always is both an honour and a pleasure to be enlightened on the BASIC mechanics of the game by a leader of your poise and stature. 

For the record, Invictus is not - I repeat not - involved in this conflict. We are a neutral party and intend to remain so. As a consequence, you might have noticed that we have not been a part of any sieges on you, nor anyone else... Please understand that I have no desire, nor angle whatsoever in bragging and boasting, but just keep a balanced, measured and objective assessment of what's actually happening on the ground.

I am fully convinced I have little knowledge of 'things' in your war, and this is the main reason why I started to track publicly available data and nothing else. I am afraid my reply was only directly tied to your assertion about cities count as I think it is important that actual data matter more than anything else, your comments included. I am afraid I don't do spin, nor have the patience for it like you seem to have.

Please remain assured that we keep track not just on Dlords particulars but on the top 100 Alliance situation at all times. 

Playing the game is all what this about, nothing more, nothing less, Smile

PS: Peace is what Elgea needs at this stage, and if there is anything I can do to bring back peace I will happily do so.  

Best, 
Tatharion




Edited by Tatharion - 23 Jan 2014 at 07:53
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I am not sure that I miss your point so much as disagree with it, Bela.  I believe it is possible for a war to end with a negotiated peace in which people are treated with respect.  I hope to treat those who are on the other side with respect no matter which side wins.
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Tath,

Seriously, you don't seem to comprehend the BASIC mechanics of the game.
Our (as in Dlord) population and city count has very little to do with what you have sieged. Really, do I need to break it down for you. Apparently I do, so here you go...

Watch what happens with a player is kicked from Dlords, or after being inactive - disappears (and having 8 to 10 cities no less ... *gasp!!  You guessed it - reduction without a single city sieged.  Dlord has had some accounts we got rid of after the war started, and some disappeared. Not because you presume yourself to be 'that' that good.. LOL.

Pop drops, cities and land claims do as well when players get booted, or removed. All of your alliances together have not even come close to razing 100 Dlord towns.

And as for city losses. Some of those losses are simply strategic for various reasons, but then you seem love presuming things you you seem to have little to no knowledge of.

Am I being somewhat obtuse and crass with you? Yes, cause I personally find your attitude more insolent than courteous. If you want to keep bashing on someone - HERE WE ARE! Just leave the ones who surrendered alone. If you desire to brag and boast - do it after the war. Till then it is all up in the air.

Again, keep your spin and just play the game.

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Rill,

I think you missed my point entirely. I stated that it doesn't matter what side of the war you are on.. and proceeded from there to iterate why.


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Originally posted by belargyle belargyle wrote:

 Seriously, You guys/gals crack me up

P.S. Dlord hasn't had 'tremendous losses' (lol). Yes, we have had some cities lost - so what, that doesn't even account for 1/10 of our what we have so keep the spin to a minimum.

Let's use the phrase 'tremendous losses' when a group has lost 1/4 or more of their towns. I would agree that any group who lost at least that amount of cities would indeed constitute using the phrase, 'tremendous losses'.

Belargyle, 

I have been trying to keep track of real data about this war since its onset and I am truly sorry to be the bearer of bad news but actual numbers seem to contradict your declaration from above about the 'not accounting losses sustained for the 1/10 of your cities'



Now the good news: 

As far as the 'tremendous losses' declaration, while being in 'that territory' for population and land plots, I am very pleased to confirm that Dlords stands safely a whopping 7-cities count above that threshold.

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Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

Wait, are you pointing that at me?  I was just saying it was bad PR and sent a confused and dis-unified message.  How the hell did you get to me threatening them with war?  
it was a rhetorical question. i think everyone is capable of examining their own role in the process and how they feel about it.

it is, as i have mentioned, a public forum. some posts may not be addressed specifically to you. in fact, i mostly use igm for that.
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