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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rill Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2014 at 02:21
I am not so confident that the outcome is certain.  However, this week for the first time I am entertaining the possibility that I might not lose all my cities.  Whatever HM may claim.
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Originally posted by Sisren Sisren wrote:


You seem convinced the outcome is certain, that troubles me.  For how long have you had precognitive abilities?

Hmm, TVM has lost all military capable towns.  TCol has lost what, close to 100 towns in one form or another and now has H? babysitters to make sure they don't back down.  H? itself has lost all military forces outside of their southern base, and lost most large cities outside of that area compared to pre-war.  DB has lost 50-75% of military forces, T-O not much better.  DLords has lost almost 100% of military forces outside of their Perrigor hub.  All told the Coalition has lost hundreds of towns 20K pop and higher.

Meanwhile, I can count on my two hands the number of allied towns lost.  Sieges are rarely hit due to the fact the enemy is running out of troops, and generally armies return to towns with more forces than they left with.  

Doesn't paint a pretty picture, not sure what type of precog abilities one needs to have in order to see the outcome.
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Originally posted by Tamaeon Tamaeon wrote:


After TVM, BSH, DB, TCol, T-O and DLord have all fallen for the (perceived) honor of defending H? from the exact same fate you wish to impose upon your enemies? 


We will fall and we will rise together.  We have something you don't have - respect for each other.  Trust of each other.  
You seem convinced the outcome is certain, that troubles me.  For how long have you had precognitive abilities?

Originally posted by Tamaeon Tamaeon wrote:

Really HM, get some skin in the game and start showing some backbone. Your allies are losing towns on a daily basis; while you spew nonsense, stifle peace talks and pledge the utter destruction of your enemies from the comfort of your homeland. If this course of action is your idea of honor... then I'll call your bluff and denounce you for the scheming cowards that you are!

Backbone he has.  He has been reborn.  :)
Thanks for helping bring the HonoredMule back.  Watch out for his kick.

Oh, and didn't you stifle the peace talk between RE and CK?  hum...
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[QUOTE=HonoredMule]
Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:
Then again, there's a point, where the loss in players hurt more than the actual surrender or cease fire itself.


I don't think losing 375% of everything is actually possible.  At least there is no dishonor in losing, not even in utter destruction, if you stood and fought for what was right to the last man with earnest effort.  At least then you can walk away with your head held high and your shoulders square.  I find this far preferable to mere survival, and Harmless could have easily "survived" by actually destroying enemies instead of merely knocking them down, then picking them back up and dusting off their clothes.

Originally posted by Tameon Tameon wrote:
I begrudge the fact that my side is being forced to raze hundreds, maybe thousands of towns before being able to end the war.


Gee, I'm sorry that the war you started isn't ending promptly to your satisfaction.  There was a time when your side had all the power in the world to stop the war.  Your only cost would have been accepting failure to achieve your objectives.  Just imagine, leaving the war without even contributing millions of resources and billions of gold toward continued destruction of your friends.

---We still control the outcome of the war, to what length you and Coal2 wanna drive the destruction home is in your hands. 

Now you have given us objectives.  We should at least return the favor of destorying every isolated, overwhelmed satellite city and account to be found, to the last fragment of existence.  Then, as battle lines are formed, perhaps we'll consider eventually stopping some point short of the total annihilation your side has so recklessly and indiscriminately sought from the start of this war.
--- You should return the favor?? You lack the forces, if you didnt you would ask those isolated to come to individual terms of surrender. Something you (H?) have done in the past. If annihilation was what we were seeking, then there would be no need for anyone to surrender. The Choice remains your own good sir.

But after watching alliances and players with whom we previously warred on a limited and reasonable scale and afterward built peaceful, positive relations join this battle purely for the profit, glory, and our utter destruction - I can't imagine why we should suffer such coexistence again.
---Limited to whenever your greed and bloodlust was fulfilled. Reasonable in your eyes alone, because as victors you set the scale. The alliances that declared had their own reasons and motives Im sure but while you seem to be pouring some kool aid, Im gonna have to pass this time around. 
But go ahead and offer platitudes here, while you harvest inactives (or claimed inactives), non-combatants, and whatever non-key players are handy.  It's far easier than focusing your efforts on tactical objectives designed to disrupt continued war operations, and it looks really good on paper.  It would even work if you were up against mewling, easily spooked cowards.
---Non-key players?..... Shade values every active member in its alliance so if you could give me a list of the "key players" Id be most grateful. 
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I have a great trust and respect for my new found allies. It is refreshing to be told the truth.


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No one cares anymore. Just continue as we are.
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All I can envision is a stunned silence and Tamaeon dropping the mic in challenge.  Like Auror said, don't think I could say it better myself.
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Originally posted by jtk310 jtk310 wrote:

Originally posted by Tamaeon Tamaeon wrote:

 I have to disagree jtk. The conversation has evolved organically from Nistiner's original post (which contained subjective opinions, and even characterizations of "the confederation"); to which I replied, and he subsequently replied back to. I'm sure Nistiner originally meant to post a simple statement, but he ended up turning it into a conversation LOL

This thread has already been moved from recruitment into politics and diplomacy. And honestly; I don't think this will reflect badly on RE, unless maybe... if someone nukes it by invoking/breaking Godwin's law. If anything, this post has had the positive effect of bringing people from both sides (and even "neutrals") together for an honest heart to heart.

You are right, it certainly did evolve organically. Perhaps the conversation will help in some way to solve the problems! I think my posts are enough that if it would somehow have reflected badly, it won't now. Our neutrality is plainly stated multiple times, I apologize for my unnecessary interruption of the discussion. I just wanted to be sure that everyone knows that some of the things discussed are not really related in any way to the literal topic, "RE Stance...". (in other words, a lot of this is opinion and not our stance as an alliance).

Cheers jtk!
As far as I know, none of the leadership on our side have had any doubts about RE's neutrality. We understand and accept that there are, and may always be differences of opinion regarding the war. Nisitiner's comments may lack some tact at times, but I'm not aware of anyone regarding them as comments made on behalf of RE as whole.

HonoredMule's comments may have incited some anger on my behalf, but in general I think this thread has had a positive effect on the overall debate regarding the war. Peace may still be unattainable, but its only through constructive dialog and common understanding that we'll ultimately manage to bring about lasting peace. The conversation sparked by Nistiners comments is most definitely a small step in the right direction!



Edited by Tamaeon - 24 Jan 2014 at 00:10
"How happy is the blameless vestal's lot! The world forgetting, by the world forgot. Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind! Each prayer accepted, and each wish resigned."
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