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Points: 437 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 01:53
In this situation, the smaller alliance was there long before the larger alliance. The larger alliance decided they want that spot, the smaller alliance will fight as best they can for as long as they can but they don't stand a chance. The larger alliance isn't interested in agreements or sharing, just getting the spot for themselves.

Rill, you and I disagree on many things, but I don't think you would ever allow your alliance to attack a square that is being held by a smaller alliance.
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Points: 417 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 05:18
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

I can feel for the larger alliances in such a dispute. 
Oh please, this is a little guy against a big guy, and hypocrisy is transparent.  
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Points: 6903 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 11:07
To be clear, HUGcr is a smaller alliance involved in just such a dispute with a larger alliance.  I don't honestly think that HUGcr should get the square just because they are smaller or were there first.  Shockingly enough, Ryelle agrees with me.  We are negotiating in good faith with the larger alliance, but at the same time we recognize that at some point we might have to fight for it -- and we might lose.  Hopefully the result will be that people have fun and end up respecting each other.

I tend to be a socialist (which is why my brothers always beat me at Monopoly).  I believe that cooperation and collaboration are ultimately the winningest strategy.  At the same time, I think there's a place for healthy competition.

I don't know what the "right answer" is in all this.  Maybe there are as many right answers as there are squares on the map.

I do think Illy will be healthier in the long run if people could compete in some way for particular squares without having a bunch of drama over who is good and who is bad and who is right and who is wrong.  I think it would be fun to have a match of strategy and armies in which no one's city is at stake.

Maybe the key is for the smaller alliances to line up a coalition that will allow them to compete with the larger alliance.

I don't have the answers, but I do think that the way forward is one in which we emphasize respect and having fun, and whenever possible development of win-win-win-win solutions (since many times there are more than two parties involved in a potential conflict).
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Points: 41 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 11:40
if your going to lose your resource to a larger alliance by means of force best option in my opinion mine it out of existences your going to lose it any way   
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Points: 6903 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 11:46
that works on herbs, gangas, but not on rare minerals.  Sneaky devs!

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Points: 41 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 11:47
well there go's that idea back to drawing board 
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Points: 821 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 12:54
I have to say that gradually as people are beginning to have had their initial fills with crafting, the problem doesnt seem that big anymore. Ofcourse there are a few precious minerals sought after by many, and from time to time they will spark some conflict, but from the wider perspective things are actually becoming more lax, with less armies out and about. 

Could it be that we are imagining the problem?
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Points: 350 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 13:03
the sheer amount of troops (AND diplomate, BTW to sabotage the small like me) on silversteel mines is just mind blowing. 
o wait, maybe imagined that spy report...
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Points: 821 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 13:16
I truly weep for you...
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Byand large I think that the Illyriad community are a fairly passive bunch. In a game which is described  as " persistant" (ie indefinite) and elite of players have established themselves at the top of the food chain, as  it were, I think that it is highly likely that smaller players and smaller alliances will tend to acquiesce to the needs and wants of the established and the powerful....

There are those who proclaim to have some sort of socialist vision whereby they believe that they can set up some sort of mutual exchange system based on cooperation and collaberartion that system will fail and only those schemes that do not undermine the playing privlieges of the powerful will be entertaned . In practice for such a scheme to survive in Elgea it would have to be subordinated to the will ( and perhaps the whim of the powerful). Of one thing I am fairly certain such a system would never benefit  all players irregardless of alliance or length of time in Elgea. It would likely benefit  a select few ...a clique... who's existence is acceptable to the powerful....

Most players are now of the mind set where they do not want carry out any action that might hinder the existence or growth of their own cities ...although they may be belong to alliances they are in fact individualised... they will submit or subordinate themselves to any player that they perceive to have a higher status than themselves. I think that this is leading us all towards a general inertia in the gamiing element of The Illyriad. One which may lead to a falling off of membership and accounts.

Utopian visions of cooperation and... never suceed in RL and for reasons stated above I would not be foolish enough to believe that they will suceed here. The Crow family can adopt it as an experiment perhaps...and actually put some of their ideas into practice, but I certainly wouldn't recommend that kind of system to say CONSONE who would be far better off implementing DLords strategy of " what belongs in the sovereign area belongs in the sovereign are and is only traded if it suits us"....

Lastly we can never exclude the premier allaince of Illyriad. Are they willing to be cooperative and collaberative...well yes, maybe but only if it suits them to do so or to put it in the words of HonouredMule " Harmless? is a military alliance".

The real question to ask  here  is which is the best way to proceed which makes the game more playable?



Edited by Prometheuz - 11 Aug 2012 at 16:39
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