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STAR 
Greenhorn
Joined: 11 Jun 2010
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Points: 99
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 Posted: 19 Sep 2012 at 13:26 |
 belargyle wrote:
Well played STAR.
I was going to add that you might want to include 'stop harvesting' as well but I see you have already run into that road block. Many will try to extend their harvesting expedition through drawn out mails and responses.
Rather smart, but ticking off the person with whom you are taking from is never a good path to wander down. |
Thank you, i should of thought about this when i first posted. As my previous post stated, recent events brought that to my attention.
Albatross wrote:
Excellent! Another situation where there are too many variables to enable a simple clear policy. This means that alliances can advertise what really pushes their buttons, and we can have a really pedantic argument about whether the big red nose will light up in each case. |
Please dont come to my thread with sarcasm, structured criticism is most welcomed or questions and yes you are correct Albatross there are many variables but some situations need to be explained clearly so others who you are trying to inform, have a clear idea of where you are coming from.
Im not sure what you mean by "alliances can advertise what really pushes their buttons" and i dont have any plans on arguing, I am merely informing ones on the stance my alliance is taking regarding harvesting within a 5sq radius of any FORSAKEN members city.
Im not here to debate or argue what my alliance is wanting, I am informing.
STAR FORSAKEN Alliance Leader
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Albatross
Postmaster General
Joined: 11 May 2011
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Points: 1118
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 17:16 |
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Excellent! Another situation where there are too many variables to enable a simple clear policy. This means that alliances can advertise what really pushes their buttons, and we can have a really pedantic argument about whether the big red nose will light up in each case.
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belargyle
Forum Warrior
Joined: 17 Jun 2010
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 401
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 17:10 |
Well played STAR.
I was going to add that you might want to include 'stop harvesting' as well but I see you have already run into that road block. Many will try to extend their harvesting expedition through drawn out mails and responses.
Rather smart, but ticking off the person with whom you are taking from is never a good path to wander down.
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STAR
Greenhorn
Joined: 11 Jun 2010
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Points: 99
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Posted: 16 Sep 2012 at 22:41 |
In light of recent events i will add:
Once communication has been established with the other party that is harvesting with an army present, must cease harvesting activities until an arrangement or agreement has been made!!
consequences for allowing you to continue to harvest, have or could result in the rare resources being fully exhausted
Failure to cease harvesting will result in hostile intentions
STAR FORSAKEN Alliance Leader
Edited by STAR - 16 Sep 2012 at 22:42
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STAR
Greenhorn
Joined: 11 Jun 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 99
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Posted: 15 Sep 2012 at 00:02 |
Brids17 wrote:
Wait, do you mean forsaken players inside the new player ring will be moved out of it or the new players themselves will move out of it?
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To clarify, yes FORSAKEN members will be moved out of the "new player ring".
JimJams wrote:
We see several attempts to find a reasonable rule around gathering. Some look viable to me, but to be honest I think any rule set should be used with some tolerance.
Well all this chatting only to say: rules give people an idea of your approach, but some tolerance and a few in game messages can lead to more relaxed and easier play... |
I have already addressed this in my first post, so to re clarify
STAR wrote:
Myself or any of my council members will of course contact any person that is found breaking this rule or mistakenly occupied within the 5square radius and will politely ask them to remove themselves.
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I understand the concerns that some may have but If we respect each others spaces I dont see what problems it will cause, especially since most active players are already valiantly defending their 10square settlement radius, another thing my alliance has made public policy on respecting.
I will of course give a reasonable time frame of 3 days to 5 days max for a response, If you are unable to respond within that time frame due to RL issues then either get a sitter to do it for you or do not be surprised or offended if i remove your armies before your return.
The time frame given is more then what others are willing to give.
regards
STAR  FORSAKEN Alliance Leader
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JimJams
Forum Warrior
Joined: 20 Sep 2011
Location: Italy
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Points: 496
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Posted: 14 Sep 2012 at 23:23 |
We see several attempts to find a reasonable rule around gathering. Some look viable to me, but to be honest I think any rule set should be used with some tolerance.
I think the bump mechanic should be enough to assure a city dominance on nearby nodes. A gatherer coming from a distance will lose a lot of time every time you bump him, so it is likely he will stop or try to find an agreement. When I gather long distance I try to find spot not so near to cities, or in zone where there is great abundance of patches, so the probability to be bunched or killed is not that high. But I rely on people tolerance, and I know I could lose gatherers (and it happens from time to time).
Initially I sent armies to hold anything interesting, but lately I retired most of them, only holding grapes (at least until I reach my merchant target). I like the result, I am gathering more or less the same patches I was holding, but those are also used by neighbors...
Well all this chatting only to say: rules give people an idea of your approach, but some tolerance and a few in game messages can lead to more relaxed and easier play...
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Brids17
Postmaster General
Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 1483
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Posted: 14 Sep 2012 at 23:17 |
STAR wrote:
No this is also an unreasonable request, especially since they are only new. They are not going to remain in the "new player ring" and will be moved out of there. |
Wait, do you mean forsaken players inside the new player ring will be moved out of it or the new players themselves will move out of it?
Edited by Brids17 - 14 Sep 2012 at 23:19
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STAR
Greenhorn
Joined: 11 Jun 2010
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Points: 99
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Posted: 14 Sep 2012 at 21:45 |
JimJams wrote:
This mean you will remove only armies holding herbs nearby your cities, or you are asking also to not farm those patches ? |
This also means harvesting, due to the fact that some rares are not replaceable if they are fully exhausted. Most herbs that are able to regenerate, there are plenty of them around so dont see why they can not be harvest away from the proximity my alliance is imposing.....
gameplayer wrote:
u should make a wider area, 10 squares seems reasonable |
10 squares is an unreasonable expectation for claiming rares but my alliance does respect the 10 square settlement rule and have updated our public policy concerning this matter (also found on our alliance page).
The Electrocutioner wrote:
For herbs and minerals, I would respect a 5 square distance from any settlement without prior permission. For animal parts, if I kill it, I will harvest it even if it's closer than 5 squares. But that is a bit different - since I paid for the kill with any lost troops, I think it's fair to harvest the parts regardless of their proximity to any city. Also, once I harvest, I'm gone, so it's not the same as trying to hold something for a long time in an area that is clearly someone else's territory. |
If YOU kill it, then of course it is yours for the taking, i am talking about ones camping their armies. As regards to harvesting parts regardless of proximity, unfortunately if i let that slide the presumption may set in for ones that it is ok and move into harvesting rares so if YOU didnt kill it and it falls within the 5squares of my members cities then please do not harvest, thank you :)
Rill wrote:
Many Forsaken players are in the new player ring where there is not even 5 squares distance between cities. Do you intend to attempt to impose this rule in that area as well? |
No this is also an unreasonable request, especially since they are only new. They are not going to remain in the "new player ring" and will be moved out of there. I appreciate everyones comments regards STAR FORSAKEN Alliance Leader
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
Status: Offline
Points: 6903
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Posted: 14 Sep 2012 at 19:06 |
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Many Forsaken players are in the new player ring where there is not even 5 squares distance between cities. Do you intend to attempt to impose this rule in that area as well?
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Loud Whispers
Wordsmith
Joined: 31 Jul 2012
Location: Saltmines
Status: Offline
Points: 196
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Posted: 14 Sep 2012 at 18:19 |
The Electrocutioner wrote:
Hi Gameplayer... I think 10 squares is too much.
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Or too little. I think it's better that alliances sort out their own limits on a case by case basis. Leaves more room for flexibility.
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