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Arakamis 
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Joined: 09 Jul 2012
Location: Waterdeep
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Points: 97
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 Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 15:50 |
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Luna, the rules that you have linked and obviously approved says nothing about "sending the collected data to another server". So, if i build a tool sending all the data to my db server, will it still be a legal 3rd party tool?
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GM Luna
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Community Manager
Joined: 22 Oct 2011
Location: Illyriad
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 15:51 |
The rules that exist are the ones in the post. I don't know of any others.
Luna
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GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk 
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KillerPoodle
Postmaster General
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 17:22 |
 Juswin wrote:
That's not fair KP. The Devs have allowed it, so what you are saying is not possible. |
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about - please go find a clue. I can state as a fact that his tool communicates back to a central server, that it stores IP's, chat logs and that it pulls troop data. The first is required to do the blocking of specific alliances. Eaque can also auto-update the part of the code which sits on his server which means the tool can be changed to do different things at any time.
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill
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Angrim
Postmaster General
Joined: 02 Nov 2011
Location: Laoshin
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 18:13 |
whether Eaque makes use of the data that passes through illytools no one can know but him. illytools does rely on server processing, though, so users should understand (and the installation will warn them) that the application has this ability, and Eaque could implement collection and analysis of it at any time. when one uses someone else's network resources, one should not expect privacy, something that we all (H? included, before Eaque revoked their use of the tool) occasionally forget.
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KillerPoodle
Postmaster General
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 18:26 |
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Angrim - it was not forgotten - there was some misplaced faith about the honor of said individual which has now been corrected.
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill
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Aurordan
Postmaster
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Joined: 21 Sep 2011
Location: United States
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Points: 982
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 18:42 |
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If Illytools is being used to spy on its users, I would wonder why Eaque would block access to all his enemies as soon as the war started. Seems like a bit of a wasted opportunity. Just my thought.
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Arakamis
Greenhorn
Joined: 09 Jul 2012
Location: Waterdeep
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Points: 97
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 18:45 |
1) The rules about 3rd party tools should be stricter.
2) Eaque should inform the community what his tool does/doesn't or better write some detailed info on Chrome Webstore.
These are, ofc, my personal opinions about the development and usage of 3rd party tools.
According to Chrome Webstore, Illytools can access all my data on all websites, which also means Eaque can access all my data in every websites i have visited, including my bank accounts.
No detail is given and it all looks too suspicious.
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Mogul
Forum Warrior
Joined: 23 Sep 2011
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 19:50 |
Arakamis wrote:
2) Eaque should inform the community what his tool does/doesn't or better write some detailed info on Chrome Webstore. |
What it does: http://www.illytools.net/index.php/site/page?view=about
To all players that might be confused about incorrect statements in this thread I recommend reading Eaque profile. Especially this part:
To those spreading rumors that Illytools is spying on players, this isn't true, please get your facts straights. Feel free to make an audit of the data sent back to the illytools server and challenge that statement with something tangible. |
I may add to this that making audit of all data sent to illytools server is fairly easy and anyone can do it on its own. I recommend using http://www.fiddler2.com : with that you can see all communication between your browser and internet. (btw very useful free tool)
If you are too lazy to do it on your own, you can believe Eaque or you can believe me... I tested Illytools with fiddler today using my non Consone alt and it is not automatically sending anything to server except small "ping" and it communicates with server after you login to obtain list of your towns, that's all.
Illytools has several features that you can use if you want, like submitting combat reports (you click on button and then combat report ID is send to illytools server) or you can check checkbox "Enable GC Chat log (0 reports sent)" if you want to help with GC discussion logging.
There is no spying or automatic troops movement pulling or anything like that... this rumor maybe started after some people probably heard something about some new feature. So to bring more light to this, illytools has new feature that if you want you can report troop movements to illytools server by clicking on similar button as combat report submit button, but this new feature is not available to everyone.
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Arakamis
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Joined: 09 Jul 2012
Location: Waterdeep
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Points: 97
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 20:41 |
Thanks Mogul but I think it is my right to ask more than the General Features of a software, especially if it is about my privacy. I'm not asking for some general guidelines about the software, I'm looking for a detailed Do'es and Don'ts list. Eaque may of course choose not to publish the info as it is his right not to, just as it is my right not to use it and state it publicly.
In addition to that;
| Illytools is an auto-updater script, which means that all updates will automatically be pushed to you. If the updates are not coming fast enough, send me a PM to nudge me :) |
Please correct me if I'm wrong, this means that Eaque can update this extension to gather data and can revert back after a day/a hour etc., right?
You may be right and illytools may just be totally a harmless tool but these things are so fragile that once you loose your credibility, then all is lost, at least to some paranoids like me. :D
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Mogul
Forum Warrior
Joined: 23 Sep 2011
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Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 22:41 |
Arakamis wrote:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, this means that Eaque can update this extension to gather data and can revert back after a day/a hour etc., right?
You may be right and illytools may just be totally a harmless tool but these things are so fragile that once you loose your credibility, then all is lost, at least to some paranoids like me. :D |
Yes you are right 3rd party tools should not be used by paranoid people... but it is often better to be not paranoid and have life (or playing illyriad) easier.
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