White stopped playing ?
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Topic: White stopped playing ?
Posted By: Faldrin
Subject: White stopped playing ?
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 14:00
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The word in global today was that White stopped playing ? Anyone have comments on that ? ------------- 
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Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 14:55
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There goes one of my competitors? Yay? And there goes a big alliance? Eh? |
Posted By: waylander69
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 15:24
| Dont think white have stopped playing altogether, i think maybe a few players in their alliance have stopped but not bothered to tell anyone else as its unlikely 41 players would all give the game up at once and some players may be away on their holidays, so i think its unlikely given how much work some of them have put into their cities and buying prestige. |
Posted By: Laccy
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 18:07
| Ok. If White are still playing let someone in White say so. Easy. |
Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 21:16
| Actually I spoke to Diablito on the Illyriad chat channel and my interprtation of what he said is that the many gave up playing a while ago and that the WHITE/H? war was over long before H? "officially" declared war on WHITE, BLACK, and MK. Of course it was filled with the typical accusations/excuses that we're all probably already familiar with ( H? plays 24/7, attacks WHITE when they are on vacation, has tools to help them cheat). According to him H? takes the game way too serious and people in WHITE just couldn't be bothered. Take this with a grain of salt considering the source, but I also don't 100% dismiss it. I'm sure some WHITE still play and are actively fighting H?, but it does seem that though the fighting may not be done, the war is over and was won by H? |
Posted By: Laccy
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 21:52
| It's simple. All we need is one member of White to say that they are still playing, or for someone else to provide evidence of an active White attack/defense. |
Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2010 at 03:29
I love the part where we all play 24/7...half of us are just returning from vacations, and I was working 64 hours a week for the last month.  We do play a fairly serious game, but many of us are mature adults, so that's the attitude and set of sensibilities we bring to the table. I for one wouldn't enjoy just screwing around any more than I would rolling newbies like a juvenile high-school bully. I don't think White's leadership ever had realistic expectations of what they'd get out of a browser-based game, or especially what it would take to run a large/prominent alliance. It doesn't matter how simple and non-grinding the game is...managing people and directing operations take real effort. MMO's are different in that you never really do either of those things. You just fool around with other people who happen to do the same thing as you at the same time, and maybe play at a little office politics. There's far less need for original/real organizational, political, and ethical structure--even internally, let alone political structures at an inter-organizational level. |
Posted By: bow locks
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2010 at 08:14
| eve? |
Posted By: Laccy
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2010 at 09:01
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Nearly 48 hours and no response to my tenet. Personally, I'm beginning to believe Diablito was a sandwich short of a picnic. What I don't understand is how the entirety of White managed to disappear pretty much in the space of three weeks with nary a peep or a whisper of why. Was it a mass exodus or a slow bleed? Was it deterministic or casual? I spend 3 weeks away and return to a deserted ship. The synchronicity of the situation suggests many things about the causes of White's inactivity. As it stands, however, there can be no doubt as to the current state of the White/H? power struggle, which is clearly in H?'s favour. |
Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2010 at 13:34
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I suppose it's plausible that since they all came together, they also all left together when they didn't get their own way. I don't think there is anything we could have done to entice them to stay short of offering our bare necks on a silver platter. When I say "they all" I do mostly mean White. I have some intel suggesting at least some Black players are still around but have no leadership and understandably aren't rushing to sacrifice themselves in battle alone. Our position on refugees is already well known, and we're aware that Black were mostly strung along with little justification or even direction. There is still plenty of opportunity for those players to thrive under new management. |
Posted By: Laccy
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2010 at 15:09
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Personally speaking, I am inclined to agree with you HM, and in absence of any challenging viewpoints may I be the first to publicly offer congratulations to H? on their leadership in the matter. I also could not have chosen a better turn of phrase than "strung along". I'm not sure who to feel more sorry for, Black, or White. Nevertheless, we shall see what becomes of Black in time. |
Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2010 at 15:59
HM, again, I consider the source and am just relaying what he told me, but Diablito singled you out in particular and claimed he somehow tracked your online activity here and that you didn't log off for several days straight. You must never sleep. 
Anyway, since WHITE and maybe to some extent BLACK seems to be in shatters, anyone in those alliances that are still around, I invite you to join FDU. It may not be the warmongering alliance you are used to but you may find satisfaction in being protectors for newbies and other parts of the game like trade (T2 is coming soon).
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Posted By: Mandarins31
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2010 at 16:59
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For a long time there wasn't a real communication between White and Black. Today it's still the same and, as Black, we can only make suppositions on what happens... Actually Black is not full of active members. Im wondering what will be the future for the active members of Black. First we must see who is active and see who want to change leadership, to make a new alliance, or join one. Personnally im not sure we have enough active members who will join a fresh new alliance. So we may all join an existing alliance. If we don't make a new alliance, ill think about your proposition to join FDU Shrapnel. Dont want to join H?, they have already enough members :p |
Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2010 at 22:56
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Diablito had his alt in our alliance (Johannes, whom we kept as an initiate and occasionally used as a leak for misinformation) who would have seen my in-game online activity almost from the beginning. I and many others intentionally stayed logged in 24/7 since we had no desire to advertise our absence, nor any other truly verifiable/accurate intel. My favorite ploy utilizing Johannes was the time I sent away my "main" army to defend a newbie and (unlike normally) did not tick "covert," drawing out Diablito's siege army to slaughter. The intent was to time the debut arrival of my new army at Istan for just before his siege. Though I goofed on the timing and sustained one round of attack, he launched again and was destroyed soundly. I believe the destruction of his capital followed shortly...either that or the siege we failed; I don't recall which for sure. |
Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2010 at 01:15
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Fairly easy to stay in logged on 24/7 if you only play from one computer that you never/rarely reboot/turn off. |
Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2010 at 18:01
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My favorite ploy utilizing Johannes was the time I sent away my "main" army to defend a newbie and (unlike normally) did not tick "covert," drawing out Diablito's siege army to slaughter. The intent was to time the debut arrival of my new army at Istan for just before his siege. Though I goofed on the timing and sustained one round of attack, he launched again and was destroyed soundly. I believe the destruction of his capital followed shortly...either that or the siege we failed; I don't recall which for sure.Posted By: Laccy
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2010 at 19:47
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I think the real issue with 24/7 play is the one where you get sieged during your downtime. Even with a 12 hour set up, and account sitting, a well organised siege can massacre one's town during the sleep/work period. Against an alliance that is without the resources to counter it, a protracted downtime strategy will gradually wear one down. I do not know that this is what happened to White, I do not claim that this is the reason for White's diminishment, but I do believe it is a potential gameplay issue. |
Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2010 at 21:14
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First off - there is no-one who plays 24/7 - to even suggest it is pretty silly. I'm not even aware of anyone who has deliberately interrupted their sleep to hit a send time for an army (something common in other games like Eve). Some do not work and can check the game regularly during the day, but even then that doesn't mean they are actually playing 16 hours a day, just that they can check the game every hour or so to see what's happening. That being said - with the speed at which siege engines travel I'm pretty sure White saw every single siege before it even landed until they threw their toys out of the pram, gave up and went inactive. I also saw plenty of activity at all kinds of strange hours on their side too. Laccy - The solution to your issue is pretty straight forward - spend 60 seconds checking your cities for incoming between the time you wake up and the time you go to work. That way there is never more than 8-10 hours (maybe 12 if you work a long shift or have a crappy commute) where someone can sneak up on you. It's no different to checking your email or reading the news and constitutes about the same level of "dedication".... |
Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2010 at 04:11
That's sort of contradicting. If you're a mature adult, shouldn't you realize it's just a game and not take it so seriously?
The whole point of a game is to screw around have fun you know.
Realistic expectations? Again, this is a game. What on earth can you get out of a browser based game besides fun?
... Wut? |
Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2010 at 10:16
mature adults wont just feck out and do it half arsed, they will use common sense and be slightly serious, not goofy
you can have fun through serious playing(achieving your goals) just because it's serious doesn't mean it's fun(sports, ateletes are serious about their sport, but they still like playing it)
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Posted By: Laccy
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2010 at 14:37
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The term "24/7 play" that I used is not intended to mean that one person plays 24/7. It is the nature of the game and the time zones that people play in. It is also insensitive to assume and suggest when people can and should place Illyriad play alongside their other life priorities. |
Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2010 at 17:38
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Insensitive, perhaps--but realistic. Browser-based games simply aren't for the impatient, hotheaded, or inattentive. Sooner or later, they'll be outshone by players who have the opposite qualities. Illyriad is different in that there's room for such people, who can instead play a more casual game focused more on trade or NPC warfare. But they still need to involve themselves enough to have allies against other player types--or trust their luck not to raise notice. The players who don't diligently play the hard game and yet provoke others who do are just plain foolish. Any other path of action leaves some opportunity to thrive, but not that. |
Posted By: Laccy
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2010 at 20:03
| I think that, for White, it would definitely seem to be the case. |
Posted By: Larry
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 01:35
| I occasionally pop my head in, the xml files and so on make for excellent sample data when I'm trying out new software stuff, and I'm occasionally grooming my cities as well. However, as I've left white I don't count as far as your question is concerned. |
Posted By: CranK
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 03:20
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Hello all, Back to the discussion about Black and White. For all I know, White kinda left the game for what it is. As I was inactive on Illyriad for a few weeks (maybe even months) I didn't hear anything from White anymore. During my inactivness Black also died. I was almost the onlyone taking care of things in Black (and sometimes even in White) untill I stopped playing. This was the point where alot of people in black also stopped playing. Now that I'm back on Illyriad again I left Black for what it was and joined Laccy in his goal to keep the active black players together. As some of you have noticed, this alliance is called Good Company. Nothing in this new alliance goes back to the time we where all in Black, we started a new alliance, with new goals and intrests while Black was mostly doing what White told us to do. This all said, I think H? won the war on White without even doing alot for it. Well, Diablito suffered the most and after a few more counter attacks I think White got borred. So congratulations H?  Grtz, CranK |
Posted By: Finnegas
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 21:41
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Hi Crank,
Would you have mercy on poor old mamarigs? Good is beating real hard on him and he's so small compared to the size of the attackers from your alliance, I don't think the can even get a kick out of massacring him.
I don't object to harvesting, but what your allies are doing is brutal.
Btw "Good" is an irony?
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Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 21:45
do you know why he is being attacked? he struck one of our members first ;) so this isn't a unprovoked massacre
also ask him what he done first, then mail who is attacking him from our alliance before slandering us on public forums
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Posted By: CranK
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 22:17
Contact me ingame and I will discuss this with the alliance because I am not aware of these attacks. Second of all, why don't you contact the people who are attacking first? They will redirect you to the leaders of Good Company. I hear from you soon. Grtz, CranK |
Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 00:06
Awesome - it's much more fun when your prey is actually moving while you go for the jugular... |
Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 03:40
Ha! that's why the "?" is the most important character in H? |
Posted By: CranK
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 13:03
I thought everyone allraidy knew that? 
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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 22:33
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White's capital city (disappointingly small treasury) was captured today. We have a few more cities to capture/raze then we'll probably call it quits and move on. KP |