Watch out for E.O alliance
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Topic: Watch out for E.O alliance
Posted By: Casino
Subject: Watch out for E.O alliance
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 18:24
| Finnagas is nothing more than a liar and the "leadership" of E.O is too stupid to see it. Just a general warning to anyone who deals with this idiot or his alliance, watch your back. |
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Posted By: Souran
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 19:29
| Tho Northern Orc Scourge is in a confederation with EO. I know Sheogorath well and I know that he wouldn't allow his members to to anything which could negatively affect the alliance. So please refrain from badmouthing them. |
Posted By: Casino
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 20:52
| then you dont know sheo at all. His guild has a bold faced liar in it, and sheo does nto have a clue how to lead. a tleast EAM knows what sup. So i will bad mouth a crappy leader who protects liars. |
Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 21:36
| Might help if you explain why.... It'll make your position and reasoning easier to understand. |
Posted By: iluvpie3
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 01:38
Our friend Casino has forgotten to mention how his alliance was crushed within 3 days by us.Guess that just slipped your mind?
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Casino wrote:Posted By: Casino
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 02:34
| Yep 30 of oyu killed 4 of us new accounts LOL GJ sparky, your too e-tough for me , but thx for that info iluv, you are a very good informant. |
Posted By: Luc_
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 03:50
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This whole ordeal is thoroughly annoying me. Fine if you want to bicker in the forums, but must you splatter Global Chat with this prattle? Then again it could just be me.
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Posted By: ivyleaves
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 10:29
| OP - Conclusions without any premises are not useful, name-calling is meaningless to a third party. I would like to see a story with actual events described, so that I could get a feel for the situation. |
Posted By: Ivorich Von Forge
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 12:43
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Posted By: Casino
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 14:11
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Ok so here is the story. My friends and i start this game 2-3 months ago maybe, now never playing this type of game before < we play MMO's shadowbane, darkfall things like that > we wanted to try something new for a time killer. So when we started i thought since this is a war game you build troops and kill. I had no idea how political this game was. So once i had like 50 militia i attcked the closest player to me < Finnigas >. So i hit him and all 50 militia died. He lost nothing. He then starts sending me PM of how i better be a good little boy, and how i am not allowed to build up troops. Now anyone who has seen me in global, i am an Ass of the first class, and i have a mouth. I told him what he can do with those thoughts of his. He then went to one of my guildies and cooler heads prevailed, we called a truce. About a week or so later my guild though it would be a good idea for us all to be in the same area, so since my city was the highest ranked they all started moving in near me. Not to close finn in like he thinks but to centralize our 4 man alliance. Alittle after that, caravans started die. We did not know who it was until i saw the army hit 3 of mine, i waited and followed the army home and it went right to Finns city. So yea.. we attacked. We fought for about a week and fought to a standstill. Nasty letters were sent back and forth armies died. In the end seeing it was a draw, we made peace, i even offered to him join us or us join him so we could control the area. he said no. Fast forward a few weeks,, while peace has been fine, no vans hit, late on night Finn attacks unprovoked. He claims it is a pre-emptive strike since we are growing. now my guys are still newish so not much in the army, they worked on building their towns. So words were again sent back and forth to finn. I then went to King EAM < EO> leader.we talked, he decided it was a mis-understanding and called a peace. Finn kept hitting, 12 hours later he is still hitting. So i looked for EAM again, he was not on so i got the other leader Sheo. He "claims" to have told finn to stop, but for hours finn did not. words were said and sheo put the war back on. Finn has done nothing but spread lies about me to his guild. I am an ass, i do have a mouth, but i do not do sneaky sh*t behind ppl's back. I told finn straight up that as long as he didnt hit our vans we woul dhave peace in our area. and we stuck to that bargain. FINN.. broke the peace and EO helped support him. I hired Mercs to protect my city < not attack > so i could build an army to fight finn, and they send in their guilds heavy hitter, MR 2k troops and millions in gold. So since the mercs were far away i told them to save their troops. At this time there is a conquest on my city, so i sent my resources to locals and i am Demo'ing the city, they will get nothing from me. That is the story in a nutshell, i have most PM's to back up what i have said. un-edited versions of almost all of it. there is the info you all wanted. cya. |
Posted By: iluvpie3
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 20:00
to answer the first one,beaverspm is larger than Finn,so he's not newish.Paint,although slightly smaller is still a good size and should've ben able to defend himself.I'm not newish,and im only 350 pop.
Second statement:Finn has done nothing of that kind in our guild,he's laid down the facts and talked to Eam and Sheo,and they acted onward.
Kind of a biased story in my opinion
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Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 20:37
| Your side of the story? |
Posted By: iluvpie3
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 21:43
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Finn joined us,said Casino was a threat.We went to war with TT,we won. Without cheating or using trickery.Casino's being a sore loser.
Finn did come under attack though by mercenaries,and if he threatened them to back off,he had every right to.
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Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 21:48
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Although I kind of like Casino's self deprecating sensibilities...
Anyone who admits he is an ass publicly is ok in my books!
(said by a self admitted ass)
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Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 21:49
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Fair and simple outlook. Does it account for Finnegas attacking after peace was negotiated between Casino and EAM? Or is that more lies? |
Posted By: iluvpie3
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 21:54
which peace are you talking about?The one a few weeks ago or the one that happened the other day when we accidentally declared the war over?If its the first one,no clue.Finn wasnt in the alliance at that time and I wouldnt know that story;but if its the second one,that was just a mistake by EAM,and we went back to war the next day.
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Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 22:03
| Huh... I see. I can see why he went off on that when you guys send mixed messages. |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 22:06
| Not that it's any of my business, but how do you "accidentally declare a war over"??? |
Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 22:12
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Pressing the wrong buttons. You actually have to go through like... 3 different screens to change diplomatic status... |
Posted By: ShugarFree
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 22:43
well after reading this, i declare E.O a "treat" to peaceful alliances, and have no objections in the case someone wipes E.O out of the map. |
Posted By: iluvpie3
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 23:06
you'd have to talk to EAM on that one.I dont know the whole story,how and why he did it is a mystery to all of us,and i couldnt get an answer out of him.Ask casino and see if he knows what happened there.
could you explain that one to me?I'm not sure what the problem is
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Posted By: Casino
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 23:27
Oh i will answer this one. We are all old men who have good jobs and wife's who don't care if we spend some cash on this game. So we bought a lot of that prestige and built as fast as we could. I can send you my bill if your not satisfied with that reason. we joined in may or June and we play casual. not sure how non-noobish that makes us. Also i said they focused on BUILDING the town and NOT on an army, rookie error. |
Posted By: ShugarFree
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 23:27
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is there anything to explain? you declared war and massacred TT just for the fun of it. so i see it fit that someone does the same to you. |
Posted By: iluvpie3
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 23:30
Its totally optional to use prestige man,not my fault you pay to play.And,that didnt answer anything.If I,a 350 pop player,can take down a town 4 times my size,thats their fault.You should always have a military,you yourself said that you thought it was a war game,so why would you tell your followers to focus on building?
We did not massacre them,and it was not for the fun of it.The only ones that were conquered were cyborg,who we believe was inactive,and the player who did it hadnt joined our alliance yet and did it out of his free will.Everyone else we attacked,but did not raze or ruin their account.And,we offered the members to join us,one of whom did(mamarigs).We are not war-mongering brutes,we are decent people who did what was necessary to do.We're not playing Sim-City,once in a while you have to fight.
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Posted By: Casino
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2010 at 00:32
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Well lets not forget the "terms" of your bulling a 4 man alliance. 1. No magic is allowed built. 2. No army above 50 basic troops allowed. 3. Pay 175k gold 4. Become the "trader" for your alliance 5. Have supervised playing to make sure none of the rules were broken. LOL get bent if you think anyone would bend their knee to that. I hope some other bigger guilds see what your guild is like and do the same. Still in your stack.... |
Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2010 at 00:58
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I call for a public trial!
Finnegas vs. Big Casino (UK1)
Settle on a date and time, assemble your teams / witnesses, and someone appoint themselves unbiased Judge.
Your jury will be your peers.
You will both be defendent and prosecution.
This will probably get out of hand very quickly, so the date will have to be after we get new chat channels, so we don't have to ban-hammer you on global.
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Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2010 at 01:50
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BC doesn't seem to be an eloquent talker, but somehow he's doing a good job of making himself sound better than iluvpie3. I haven't heard any proper justification for EO's actions yet. Sounds like a clear case of bullying. I don't buy the "accidentally canceled the war" excuse. And who do you think you are? H? giving terms like that? |
Posted By: Ivorich Von Forge
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2010 at 05:31
Accidental, my eye! EAM - being a friend of mine, and knowing that I was communicating with BC in an attempt to mediate a peaceful understanding between my current friends (EAM and Sheo) and a potential new one (BC) - contacted me asking my opinion. I had already determined by talking with BC that Finnegas' refusal to accept BCs repeated attempts to end the hostilities that BC admits starting was the cause of the current drama. So, in answer to EAM's request for advice, I suggested EAM make peace with BC and get Finn under control or out of EO. He took my advice on peace with BC, but sadly, he failed to accomplish either of the options I suggested concerning Finn. Meanwhile, Sheo decided he would rabidly defend his alliance members (honorable and admirable, in and of itself) even when he knows they are totally wrong (unacceptable). He warned BC that hiring mercs against Finn would be an act of war against EO. This would only be true if the leadership of EO failed to rid themselves of this bad apple which was rotting the reputation of the whole alliance and continues to do so. If Finn was no longer in EO, no action against Finn would be an action against EO. Somewhere along the way, Finn and Sheo managed to sway EAM to their line of thinking that alliance members should be defended, even against justice. I wish I had said so before, when it was obvious only to me and BC...a prophecy after the fact is public isnt much of a prophecy...but I knew very early on that if allowed to stay in EO, Finn would destroy all the work my friends had done to build a respectable alliance. And now they have crafty and hammy begging for resources, hastening the demise, if not of the alliance, at least of the alliance's reputation. I've suggested to EAM and Sheo privately, and now I do so publicly: Get rid of Finn, or your alliance will suffer. Now I add the names of crafty and hammy. This is not a threat, I will not take any action against my friends. But the wheels of justice move fast and hard in Illyriad, as evidenced by the demise of MK. And so, because I value my friends and their alliance, I say publicly; Finnegas, Hammy, and Crafty must be kicked from EO for the sake of the survival of the alliance. (edited for easier reading and enhance concision) |
Posted By: ShugarFree
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2010 at 14:18
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agree whit von forge. 100% truth in his words |
Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2010 at 14:29
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Ivo's post.Posted By: Casino
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2010 at 18:29
I can shed light on that. These are PM's sent to me from EAM, they are not altered and i can take a screen shot of it to prove it if needed. This was the first one i got from eam. ==============================
as you see, the war was over in EAM's eyes and he wanted us to merge into this to form a bigger alliance. =========================
as you can see their own leader said to stop and he did not. The attacks kept coming AFTER peace was set. I have presented much evidence against this un-just war. There are many many many more PM's i can post if more proof is needed that my 4 man alliance is the victim and un-justly war'd upon. Finnagas has manipulated EO and their lack of leadership has let it happen. |
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Posted By: King EAM
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2010 at 22:33
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Ok, I am sick of all of this it is being blown out of proportion just because we are protecting a member (finn) from BC and his alliance, we won the war and now you are just complaining that you don't like our terms witch were you and your members join our alliance and be under surveillance from finn so you dont try to revolt against us (maybe pay some war reparations for troops lost, like some spears) Finn lost 600 troops. I lost 400. I dont know who told you the other things but whoever did was wrong. Now you just badmouth our alliance because you lost a war. And NO it wasnt for Fun, we were protecting one of our members.
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Posted By: Casino
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2010 at 22:44
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so 1000 troops cost 175k gold ? Only being a merchant and no magic and no troops over 100 is "supervised". Get over your self EAM, you choose to listen to one who has done nothing but bring your own guild down. Good job you peace'd a guild and still attacked them. Oh that is right your "peace" by accidentally hitting the wrong button El oh EL. You were protecting him from what exactly ? from troops building up in our cities to defend from Finn ? wow i did not know those troops in a city defending were such a threat. YOUR member made all the attacks. end of story, so quit trying to save face, the whole community has seen the evidence, and have found you to be int eh wrong, hell your very own good friend even told you it was wrong. Rationalize it how you want, but your guild is full of gold beggars and liars, nice guild ya got there bro. I will see you soon. Cause i am in your stack. |
Posted By: King EAM
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2010 at 22:53
| And it was 3 against 4 only me finn attacked but then sythinor can in at the end. |
Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2010 at 01:28
Lets put that out a little more for the public now... Your terms are unacceptable, in my opinion. No matter the reason. |
Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2010 at 02:34
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Use your negotiation skill. The initial offer is SUPPOSED to be ridiculous. It's to see if you can haggle a little with some diplomacy. But, you decided it would be better to insult them, refuse to make any kind of deal, and ragequit. Demoing your city so he gets nothing is stupid, because he doesn't have the means to take your city. You could have researched vaults at your cities so he couldn't take as much resources from you, and upgraded your vaults from the protected resources. But no, you decided to continue the war when King EAM's partner, Sheogorath, decided to communicate with you. ------------- I am not amused. |
Posted By: Casino
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2010 at 03:31
there is a siege on my city incoming in 20 hours.from their guy Syn, so please do not tell me they can not do it. As for the first demands its the same ones finn used when we first met, i told him to get bent as i told eam. Trust me my friend, i haven't quit :) you just don't know where i am atm :) But since he can take the city i did demo it, so he will get nothing. i live and die by my rules, not theirs. |
Posted By: Redfist
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2010 at 12:31
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Hmmmm Big Casino started this thread by claiming to shocked at the level of "politics" involved in illyriad.
On reading the thread, it seems to me ,that he is attempting to turn opinion against E.O and King Eam and perhaps involve other alliances in a way that would change a local spat into a full blown war; hoping to gain advantage. He is fairly accomplished at "politics" himself and certanly not the neophyte he led us to believe.
But we should not be allowed to be drawn into this. He fought a war he lost plain and simple.
Having said that King Eam's approach to diplomacy seems to be less than errrm consistent. A point that other alliances should note!
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Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2010 at 13:26
| I don't hear him complaining about losing a war at all. Seems only EO is saying that. He's complaining about making peace and then EO breaking the peace. The war before that peace is irrelevant. |
Posted By: Casino
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2010 at 14:13
| Nope not complaining, if you read the title it says to watch out for them. For they "peace" and still attack. They have leaders who don't even talk to each other and each does whatever. I could care less over losing a town. it is all but Demo'd right now so he isn't getting squat. Its about giving a heads up on how this alliance deals with others. nothing more, nothing less. |
Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2010 at 20:36
For future reference, research wards and glyphs. Had you had a war of destruction up I'm sure you could have fought off "1000 troops".
While that may be true, anyone with common sense realizes there is two sides to every story, so anyone whose going to blindly follow what someone says in the forums is probably going to find themselves in the situation you claim to be in. I'd suggest spending less time arguing here and more time reading about how you can properly defend your city, especially from a weaker foe. |
Posted By: Ivorich Von Forge
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2010 at 02:54
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*UPDATE* I was made aware by parties on both sides after I had revoked the NAP that all troops en route to TT members had been recalled and some form of peace (verbal or formal, I'm not sure) has again been declared. While I hope for the best and that peace conitnues where it falterred in the past, I will take a "wait and see" position before again offering a NAP to EO. */UPDATE*
I am a friend of both Sheo and King EAM and came into this conflict heavily biased in their favor. After reading statements from both sides, I find Finnegas totally reprehensible and EO policy of rabidly defending the obvious evildoers as very dishonorable. I have sent the following message to both my friends and cancelled the NAP between EO and FoF: Members or a member of EO is now attacking members of TT who were totally uninvolved in the conflict between Finn and BC. For this reason, FoF is canceling our NAP. For a final time I strongly suggest you remove those who are dishonorable from your alliance. If they remain, EO will learn first-hand how MK, Tubana, and Z0rglib felt. |
Posted By: Finnegas
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 02:25
I didn't even know about this thread! It seems that Big Casino (now Little) has had more success with his smear campaign here than in the chats.
I think even Casino is beginning to believe his own story. Half the facts are missing and the other half are twisted, but anyway, that'd be just my word against his. The summary of the story is that I defeated a player double my size who had vowed to destroy me and would not submit even when he didn't have a chance.
My leaders have just declared peace and I am not attacking him, because he's ceased to be a threat "for the moment":
I suggested certain conditions for peace given the resentful nature of Casino. He didn't accept, so we had to enforce this conditions on him by destroying his capital, although in the end he did it for us. I'm sure Casino will try to get back at me sometime in the future. I'm fine with it. If he wins, it'd be my fault for not finishing him off while I had the chance.
Just a couple more things:
Casino has asked for peace repeatedly as an strategy to rebuild his troops and wards. I was given the command of this war and even if he didn't know that, he knew he had to deal with me. Instead, he kept knocking every door asking for a tactical peace while he kept cursing me and saying he'd kick me out of the game. That is why I never stopped my campaign.
Ivorich comparing me to crafty and hammy really hurted. I dissaprove of their behaviour too.
Cheers,
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Posted By: Ivorich Von Forge
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 23:59
*side note* Since then, I have noticed a sudden cessation of hammy and crafty's panhandling. I assume that is becasue EO got on the ball and put a stop to it. That's good. That's what an honorable alliance should do. */side note* The comparison to which you are alluding - that somehow you are a lazy beggar because you are in the same alliance with some who are (or now, "were") - was not one I ever made nor ever intended to make. Show me I was hasty and incorrect in my judgement and I shall be even more hasty to apologize. Honor and integrity demand such. |
Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 01:59
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Do I really have to quote myself?
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Posted By: Ivorich Von Forge
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 03:02
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Posted By: Finnegas
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 03:33
That is exactly why I started killing Big Casino's caravans, because he was attacking mine. He then scalated and started our second war (this last one was the third). After this second war concluded, he kept sending blights to me until I threatened to star a third war (which I did, chosing my time of course). This is just a token for your search of the eternal truth.
Irrespective of any particular details, Casino got what he deserved for his bragging, bullying, bitching and cursing, and unluckily for him, I responded swiftly and harsly to his threats.
It's good to have here the voice of "the community". Thank you, but I'd rather defend myself than start bitching everywhere.
As for violations, Big Casino is already violanting our peace agreement. For instance, he's still mocking our alliance with his remaining town's name (not that I am terribly offended, but he can't even show a hint of good-will). So, currently, if I decided to start hostilities again, I'd be justified by the peace terms .
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Posted By: Dogbert
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 04:16
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bazzinga. thanks for your time ------------- (.) |
Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 04:27
It can be assumed that it was not a serious peace offer, not like there is any reason to make peace when you are rolling em over and farming em. Hard to give up that arrangement... free exp, advanced resources, and basic resources too. And hey, making em quit is fine too. After the way they were shafted? Its better not to make enemies after-all. Know what I mean? |
Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 17:09
You're going to attack him over a city name? Why you're even making peace is beyond me, you obviously have no interest in it. |
Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 17:25
A few alliances need to give EO some peace terms like they've given BC. 
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Posted By: Finnegas
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2010 at 01:43
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Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2010 at 07:16
I'm looking at the name of his city right now and it looks fine.
If only I was a rank or two higher in my alliance XD |
Posted By: Finnegas
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2010 at 16:00
| Big Casino has finally honoured the agreement and now his town's name is ok |
Posted By: Jargas
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2010 at 01:40
 I wonder if Casino realizes just how political this game (and every other game of the genre) truly is. Casino, if you attacked me first, then I retaliated and flattened you, I would expect you to humbly crawl into a hole for a while. Not badmouth someone (and the alliance behind him). You may say they taunted you after the attack , but it seems obvious to me that you have a hard time staying quiet. Even if i means your downfall. If this all happened the way I'm pretty sure it did, me and mine would have done only one thing different. We wouldn't have called a cease fire. If you were so upset about getting hammered, why not say, "Sorry, I fuc#$% up."? I bet it would have solved much. It's just a game man. If you can't have fun, another hobby/pastime would do you good. ------------- Jargas Bargnothaltros Officer of Dark Blight Resident of The Underdark |