Tournament squares reintroduced
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Topic: Tournament squares reintroduced
Posted By: kodabear
Subject: Tournament squares reintroduced
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2016 at 21:09
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I would like to request that the tournament squares be reintroduced so that we can have permanent areas where the diplomatic rules are suspended. This will allow we, the players, to run our own tournaments. I would also like some tournament squares be added to BL. As Stormcrow said "Fundamentally, we want player-run tournaments to take hold and succeed. That's absolutely not to say we won't do tournaments ourselves in the future. But it's important that the tools we've handed out get used, and used well - and as far as we can see, they are!" IMO, King of the Hill style tournaments are well liked and having the tournament squares introduced would make things a lot easier since alliances won't have to cancel NAP and ConFed agreements in order to participate. I know ubluntu had plans to write code for a King of the Hill tournament and I also had planned on doing on in May for NF awareness month with help from another coder. Fixed grammar #blameNikon |
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Posted By: Lagavulin
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2016 at 21:14
| I like this idea very much. |
Posted By: Captain Kindly
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2016 at 21:48
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Fully seconded. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/60249" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Ashleigh Jayne
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2016 at 22:13
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I completely agree! ------------- ^^^ Ashleigh Jayne (AKA) AJJ |
Posted By: Count Rupert
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2016 at 22:30
| I support this as well. |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2016 at 23:00
| Bring back the tourney squares! |
Posted By: Lifeless
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2016 at 23:09
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I fully agree. ------------- The Undead God, Lifeless |
Posted By: Kafka
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2016 at 23:11
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+1 ------------- One day I awoke from unsettling dreams to find myself transformed into a medium-sized Illyriad player |
Posted By: Talendar
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 00:07
| A good idea! |
Posted By: Pellinell
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 00:11
| I would love for this to happen. |
Posted By: Solanar
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 01:23
| Offering whatever my support is worth |
Posted By: Sheza
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 01:32
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Am all for it.. yea Koda .. good job. ------------- If Horses don't go to Heaven when they die. then I want to go where they go. |
Posted By: Angrim
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 04:00
| this is a terrible idea that will certainly result in illy becoming pay-to-win and...ummm...bullying. |
Posted By: Angrim
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 04:03
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Angrim wrote:Posted By: Ptolemy
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 04:45
| I'm for it |
Posted By: Bobtron
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 06:43
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+1
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Posted By: Artefore
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 07:50
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I oppose this because it would require the devs to actually do something, and we all know they're far too busy to do that. Wouldn't want to distract them with petty things like engaging and retaining players. ------------- "don't quote me on that" -Artefore |
Posted By: Mistery
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 08:25
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fantastic idea, I'm all for it ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/47877" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Morgweneth
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 12:45
| A simple but great idea |
Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 13:18
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This is a GREAT idea, Koda! +1 ------------- CEO, Harmless? Founder of Toothless? "Truth never dies." -HonoredMule |
Posted By: Primitive
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 13:42
| +1 |
Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 13:55
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+1 I think players would have run tournaments already, if the last few pieces were in place. Specifically, the ability to suspend NAP/confed on a square, the ability to track occupants continuously and completely (vs just voluntary API submission), and the built-in ability to present real time competitive rankings during the tournament. |
Posted By: TheBillPN
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 14:32
| +1 from me, +1 from my alt, and +1 from my cow. |
Posted By: Gragnog
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 15:41
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This is a great idea, but to be honest I would not be interested in wasting my troops and time with player run tournaments. The main interest in tournaments was being able to see the progess, kills, and daily ranking on the tournament page. The prizes are also an issue. Items like the soul forged blades, bone dragons, ancient warriors, and lately the medals were what made tournaments fun. The developers have basically abandoned this game now and such is the way of things. Makiing those squares available to everyone will enable small scale player run events which is a good thing. ------------- Kaggen is my human half |
Posted By: Fyzz
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 18:43
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+1 |
Posted By: scottfitz
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 19:41
| Brilliant idea Koda! |
Posted By: zolvon
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 20:37
| Everything needed for this must already exist and it would be great if the devs put up the prizes. Go koda! Come on devs! |
Posted By: Steven Quincy Urpel
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 22:41
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+1 Yesh. ------------- They call me MISTER Urp! |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 23:36
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nCrow is running tests to determine whether the squares from the elemental tournament still ignore all confed/NAP/alliance and other diplomacy. In my opinion these squares are not as fun to use for tournaments because they can only be occupied by one individual (and possibly even one town) at a time. This decreases (but does not eliminate) the potential for cooperative play that is part of what makes tournaments fun. I suppose this could also have the advantage of making it more possible for smaller players to compete, since the most that could sit on a tournament is armies from one city. Still, I welcome any tournament, player-run or otherwise.
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Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2016 at 00:59
| The last time we checked the elemental squares, they were just ordinary squares. |
Posted By: Balrek
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2016 at 15:19
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Hmm ... Liking this idea, especially if some squares were included in BL. Almost 2 days and 3 pages of (mostly) positive comments from Players'n'Payers but nothing from the Devs  ------------- "Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt." |
Posted By: Lissilene
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2016 at 18:14
| Please implement this. It's a great idea, and we need something of this scale to keep us all going. |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2016 at 18:47
So far it appears that armies from the same alliance on such a square will NOT fight each other (as they did in the original tournament). Probably this means that all rules of diplomacy apply, but I am working on getting one of our NAPs or confeds to test this.
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Posted By: Nikon
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2016 at 00:58
| i fully endorse whatever the magic bear tells me to endorse.....so i endorse this. |
Posted By: Pellinell
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 13:17
The devs have stated they would supply rewards for player run tournaments. |
Posted By: Kyle B
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2016 at 09:47
| +1 |
Posted By: jtk310
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2016 at 13:50
| Yeah! Do it! |
Posted By: Capricorne
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2016 at 13:51
| You've got my support as well ! +1 |
Posted By: BARQ
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2016 at 17:53
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i support the idea ------------- I m the most scarring dream of your life |
Posted By: Sun Tzu
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2016 at 20:12
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coming from a "payer" whos thinking on whether or not to pay again, i fully endorse this idea from the Magic Bear. |
Posted By: Morgweneth
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2016 at 20:50
| And we wait as always for the Devs to say and/or do something .....hum......? ..... .... ? ....... Zzzzzzzzzzzzz |
Posted By: Diva
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2016 at 15:58
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BRING THE SQUARES BACK!! It helps us all equally across the maps!! Do some in BL, as many have not experienced tournaments that moved there!\ Because you have the "know-how" to make it equally fair for all.. yes you do, to place them! MAYBE we could ask Ubluntu or Kubluntu *if we get no response.... to map it out for us and make the marks.... whaddaya think? post edit: Just saw Rill's post of testing squares... GL and THANKS!
------------- "Um diva.... you are sort of acting like a .... diva...." - PhoenixFire |
Posted By: Diva
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2016 at 16:02
TRUTH... I was there to read it first hand in GC!! The only requirement was that any tourney planned was open to ALL players of Illyriad. So make sure to write GM RIKOO, or GM Stormcrow to belly up to the table!! ------------- "Um diva.... you are sort of acting like a .... diva...." - PhoenixFire |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 06:28
I have confirmed that the elemental tournament squares ignore NAP and confed but count alliance members as allied. Today in global chat Stormcrow said that they will be making tournament squares in each region of Elgea and Broken Lands that abide by these rules: 1) they will have a distinctive appearance so people can identify them, 2) alliance mates and own forces will be treated as allies and not fight, 3) all other diplomacy such as NAP and confed will be disregarded and will fight. This should be in time for koda's tournament. 
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Posted By: kodabear
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 07:23
[05:09]<     Kodabear> so SC will you guys be able to the reintroduced by May, 17 (NF awareness day)05:11]<    GM Stormcrow> One question on 'permanent' tournament squares for you guys...[05:12]< GM Stormcrow> ... should they disregard NAPs only, or also disregard alliance as well? ie Should they be alliance-focused, or individual-focused...?[05:12]<   Rill> personally I think they should disregard diplomacy EXCEPT for alliances[05:13]< Rill> teamwork is part of the fun of tournaments[05:13]< GM Stormcrow> (as a default, permanent setting)[05:13]<    kubluntu> Personally I prefer it to be alliance based[05:13]< GM Stormcrow> That's my thinking also[05:13]< Kodabear> I would like it to be basically just like the last Tournament you guys did[05:13]< GM Stormcrow> Just wanted to check[05:13]< kubluntu> basically the same as the last official tourney[05:13]<     Manannan> solo king of the hills are just a drain[05:13]< GM Stormcrow> kk, then it's settled[05:14]< kubluntu> (alliance based=ignore confed/NAP)[05:15]< GM Stormcrow> Yes, kubluntu. Alliance-based means ignore Confed & NAP, but treat selfsame and alliance as friendly[05:18]<   KillerPoodle> +1 on respecting alliances and ignoring naps/confeds[05:20]< GM Stormcrow> @KP - Yes; my current plan is to a) visibly mark tournament squares as such, b) suspend NAPs and Confeds on these squares (but leave alliance in force), and c) extend a single regional tournie square into BL[05:20]< Rill> SC, when kodabear puts on his tournament, do you have any concerns about server load if we all hit a tournament square at the same time?[05:20]<    Aelfwine> Wait, one square for all of the Broken Lands?[05:20]< GM Stormcrow> @Aelfwine - 1 per region[05:21]< Aelfwine> So, one for The Long White, one for Jurgor, etc.?[05:21]< GM Stormcrow> @Koda - Perhaps. It really could be a number of things, but it does seem very specific to you and your special snow-bear-flakeness, I'm afraid.05:23]< GM Stormcrow> @Rill - no, not really. The server might take some time to process things if they all occur simultaneously; but it does process them linearly, in the order in which they should have occurred. So it all works out right in the end, even if the 'timing' seems off by a few seconds here and there.[05:24]< kubluntu> Rill, afaik that has not happened since and we have had far larger numbers involved since[05:24]< GM Stormcrow> @kublu - I've not really spent much time looking at it tbh; 10 mins sounds super-fine to me. We do throttle connections if they're hitting things hard by default; but that's only in the seconds realm, not minutes.[05:38]< Kodabear> well SC the Tournament sq for elgea be the same as the last Tournament sq? or would they be different[05:40]< GM Stormcrow> @Koda - the elgea tournie squares are set as the near-mid-points for each region. The BL ones will be the same.[05:42]< Kodabear> SC is there anyway we could have a list of all the Tournament so coder will have time to be able to make there programs?[05:44]< GM Stormcrow> @Koda - once the algorithm has settled on the squares, we'll publish a list. The plan is also to create an XML list for import. |
Posted By: Agalloch
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 10:17
| Nice Job Koda!! |
Posted By: Captain Kindly
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 19:24
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I would really love a possibilty for a distinction by API-key, so players in small alliances can join in with others and still be in their alliance. HUGcr has a few members, including myself, who love tournaments but who cannot make a fist against bigger alliances. Having those join in with another team without having to leave their alliance would be a solution there. I am sure we are not alone in this. Do it on alliance basis, so for example HUGcr could join nCrow or mCrow in this.
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Posted By: Solanar
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2016 at 02:50
| Are alliance API's possible? Something the superusers have access to, that doesn't break it down into member level detail, but to help with tourneys? |
Posted By: ubluntu
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2016 at 05:21
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Sorry Solanar, but API Keys are strictly per-account. What CK describes is unlikely as it breaks the premise of Peace-of-Camp rules being same-alliance-only as was the previous behavior(last official tourney).
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