Need help!
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Topic: Need help!
Posted By: Eoga
Subject: Need help!
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2010 at 04:09
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I made a great mistake of pissing off an alliance, and now they won't leave me alone. they claim this is all about me destroying one of their caravans. can you believe it? I thought I had a right to protect them, guess I was wrong. We have been going at it before, even though I was limited to defense against their superior number back then my defenses held. back then it all started about an equally small reason, the right to scout nearby cities. I thought I had a right to know who was I needed to look out for, guess I was wrong. not that I blame them for reacting this way. I might have send a few aggressive messages telling them that I would not tolerate their action. I might even have threatened them to attack. so I understand my fault in all this. yet I still need help. The Goonies and some allies are constantly at my gate. this has been going one for almost 3 days now. with an attack almost every hour, I can't build soldiers because they will get destroyed by the time the next one arrives. I can rarely build building because I rarely have any resources in stock. I am stuck. This this was probably all my fault and I wanted to wait it out, but now they target my ally and sister. she is a new player with no fault of this and no means to defend herself. that was my job until she had the strength to stand on her own, but now even I cant protect myself, let alone her. Since I did provoke them I don't expect you to sympathize, however if you love a good fight, my city and hers are two great places to get some, there is no shortage at enemies at either of our gates. please help me and my sister, please help Bro's in battle [BiB] we just need a few days of peace so i can rebuild my defense and protect us both. I have made some mistakes, but I don't think they deserve to be punished with this, and I don't think my friend deserves the same fate for my actions. if you want t fight, send a message to me, Eoga. GOON is my enemy, if you have stakes against this I would like to ask you to stay out of it. I just want to protect, not destroy. -Eoga |
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Posted By: Duke Felirae
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2010 at 08:17
You aggravated an alliance that superior to your own?  Part of being a leader is knowing when to back down, you obviously didn't and now your suffering the consequences. [Wld] might have helped you for the right price, but [GOON] is a lot bigger then us, so I'm not touching this one with a 10 foot pole. Have fun. ------------- His Grace the Duke of Felirae |
Posted By: Soulstealer
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2010 at 17:19
eventually enough is enough after a certain point it stops being about retrubution and starts being that goon is a bunch of asses that granted could probably kick my ass i recommend groveling
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Posted By: ivyleaves
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2010 at 18:07
| Suggestion, before calling names, consider that there are 2 sides to every story. You have only seen one side. |
Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2010 at 19:34
| Got enough for a 2nd city yet? You could always abandon your cap, move far away, and hope they don't want to travel very far to attack you. |
Posted By: Eoga
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2010 at 19:50
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Thank you all for your replies and ideas, however it is not what i am looking for. I have a second city, build it just before the attacks started. it is very close to my first and it has even less luck than my original one considering it doesn't have a vault yet to protect even a little bit of its resources. I tried groveling, yet somehow I always end up threating them in the end. guess when their leader told me he could not control how long these attacks would last kind of pissed me off. I have already spoken to some of its members and allies, the fact of their shear numbers of attacks is being carefully ignored by them as they still their guilt with stories about how I deserve all of this. I am sure many of them mean no real harm other than giving me what I deserve. But I ma just as sure that they are being overruled by a bunch of greedy thieves who just wanted an excuse for war against a moderately big player with no real allies to back him up. anyway, i am not really looking for a reason, I am just looking for a chance, a chance for me to start building again anytime soon. -Eoga ps. I have a lot f gold, since that doesn't seem to be a resource they can take from me will pillaging my cities. so if you want to get payed, name your price and what you can do for me. |
Posted By: Sherpa
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2010 at 20:00
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Ivyleaves is correct; there is indeed two sides to every story. Now for a third party view of the on-going struggle: While Eoga is now playing the victim, I can assure anyone who is taking an interest in these developments that was not the initial case. As an ally of GOON, I was informed of Eoga’s actions and sent him a personal message asking for an explanation of his actions (i.e. attacks, blockading resources, destroying caravans, ect.). I experienced his aggression first hand in a series of messages that are far too long to list here, however below are a few highlights:
Yes I ran and with good reason. Did you know there are 2 more inbound enemy forces? One of them is from those allies you so desperately try to protect. While his commitment to not surrender was admirable, terms for a ceasefire were offered several times by both GOON and NUME, rejected by Eoga until he realized he could not win. For those of you thinking: is enough, enough? Of course. GOON and NUME will cease attacks eventually; however the pleading of a beaten enemy who was once so arrogant is hard to hear after such a short time. Perhaps after enough blood is spilled, Eoga’s threats for eternal retribution can be cast aside. Until then consider Eoga’s plea for help for what it is: the last efforts of an unpredictably aggressive and arrogant player desperate to settle a score he could not pay. If you wish to hear more of this intricate saga, you are welcome to join me in my mead halls for foam and feasting. Strength and Honor, Sherpa, King of NUME |
Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2010 at 21:18
| Um, Eoga, better just take your lumps until they decide you've had enough. Be happy they don't seem to desire to lay siege to your town and destroy it. |
Posted By: Duke Felirae
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2010 at 22:43
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Eoga the Gravedigger you've dug your own grave. I might be able to help you find a peaceful resolution, but it'll cost you. ------------- His Grace the Duke of Felirae |
Posted By: Wuzzel
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 02:25
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I just looked at the numbers: 17 Goonies GOON 26APR10 20 21354 19 Numenor NUME 26APR10 36 19813 vs 72 Bro's in Battle BiB 16JUN10 2 856 Thats 41k pop alliance and 56 people against 856 pop and 2 people? Damn isnt this overkill people? I kinda feel sad looking at the numbers here. Maybe he pissed the other 2 alliances off. You attacked him for 3 days straight. Maybe he had enough punishment? Just my thoughts. ------------- 
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Posted By: Beau
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 02:46
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I am a member of Goonies. Here is the email conversation that Eoga and I had when this first started. I am not Goonies leader, as Eoga must have been confused. Therefore I cannot control the attacks. The reply does not seem like one coming from a person who wants the attacks to stop. I have had no further communication with Eoga.
Beau
I believe in doing things right in the first go, not coming back over and over until you finally get a little more than scrap. So when my caravans go out to gather resources I send an small army along to make sure no other caravans bump them away. so sorry if some of your caravans got intercepted before they started gathering. However, I want you to send out no new attacks. I can't deny that i don't love war just as much as the guy next to me, however farming an village without giving it time to rebuild its forces is just not acceptable with me. ill let the attacks that are already underway slide, but if you i see any new attacks coming in the next two days, you better keep sending armies after me because if I get a chance to rebuild, i will take revenge on them. You have been warned. Unlike them however, once I destroyed their forces i will consider the debt they owe me payed. I will try to avoid any hostile acts against you, but I will not change my ways. so you might want to warn your allies that the area around -272|3 is a hazard zone for gathering resources. I am sure this will not be the last time we speak, -Eoga > ------------------------------------------ > Sent By: Beau > Received By: Eoga > Sent: 15JUN10 02:46 > Subject: Attacks > Message: I thought I would respond to your message to us. The reason we are attacking you is you have attacked our caravans that were harvesting. Bumping a caravan with other caravan's is quite acceptable and is part of the game. But attacking a caravan that is gathering with your army is an aggresive action. Not only do you get the resources, you wipe out a caravan that has to be replaced. While you may have only done it to one or two of our members, our alliance stands up for its own. That is the importance of an alliance in this game. Unfortunately I cannot control how long these attacks will continue. regards |
Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 02:57
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Wuzzel may be right...that's a pretty excessive advantage for the dispensers of retribution. I would, however, judge "enough" not by the damage Eoga has sustained but by the change in his attitude. I'm not seeing any "turned a new leaf" concessions here, just attempts to downplay his initial and continuing role in provoking Goonies. If you want attacks to stop, learn a little humility, and dare I say it, consideration for others. The court of public opinion is not your awaiting champion. |
Posted By: Eoga
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 03:56
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Well, at leased there is an interest in all of this. good t see a cry
for help gets examined at the very leased. Not many on my side though. also good to see that goon has started their own propaganda. Perhaps i should have started to count votes. we could make this into an election. who's fvault is it? that was never my question though. because I never claimed to be innocent in this. although I do believe that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. All I ask for is a few days of peace and quite and you can't get that from thieves by playing nice. someone telling me that they can't tell me when the attacks will stop just means that their people all receive a free pass to loot. Whether they wanted to use it was their own choice. If they really did not do this for anything other than resources they would have just stopped and waited for me to do something stupid so they can mow me down again. As Wuzzel explained, I am totally outmatches, they should have no problem doing so again. -Eoga |
Posted By: Ryuuku
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 03:57
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Just for the record, other alliances not necessarily attacking right now also had problems with Eoga: Sent By: NameWithheldNotaGoonie Received By: GoonieNearEoga Sent: 07JUN10 21:02 Subject: Eoga attacks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi GoonieNearEoga, your caravan just interrupted me at square -279/7. This is no problem, because we somtimes interrupt each other, this is ok. But regrettably Eoga does not play this game in a fair way. His troops were on their way in that direction, most probably to kill my caravan, now he will hit you. He already destroyed 2 of my caravans. I destroyed one of his armies in change, But he won't quit. Is he a problem for you and your alliance too? regards NameWithheldNotaGoonie |
Posted By: Duke Felirae
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 08:53
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Actually Wuzzel makes an excellent point. What is the right course of action? Make Eoga apologize for his rudeness and beg for mercy publicly then leave him to rebuild his town in misery. Provided the chronicles of Illyriad forever record his groveling and failure and this particular story lives on in our memories he'll have been appropriately reprimanded.
------------- His Grace the Duke of Felirae |
Posted By: Wuzzel
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 13:29
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So it all started with bumping caravans and killing eachother caravans and armies on a square right? And then smacktalking occured through mail. After that Goonies & Numenor started ganking the city of Eoga. (and the alliance of Eoga?) If Eoga is willing to make an apology? Goonies and Numenor will stop attacking? I stand by my opinion that its an overkill. Way overkill, its like an elephant stepping on a fly. -------------
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Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 14:13
| While I don't side with Eoga, those Goonies who have posted have not helped their side much. I don't find those emails all that damning of Eoga, except they do show he has not done much to help himself. If not for Eoga's own admissions, I could read in those emails that it was actually the Goonies and Numenor that were the aggressors. I agree that the attacks should stop if Eoga apologizes and promises to stop further actions against these two alliances. |
Posted By: Duke Felirae
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 14:56
"but if you i see any new attacks coming in the next two days, you better keep sending armies after me because if I get a chance to rebuild, i will take revenge on them" "you might want to warn your allies that the area around -272|3 is a hazard zone for gathering resources." It seems to me like in just that one letter he said how much he loved war, which indicates he would have no problem partaking in one; he goaded them, actually he practically asked them, to keep attacking him saying that if he was allowed the chance to rebuild he would avenge himself; and he sort of declared a whole area of free/shared resource spots to be his and his alone. And that's just one of the letters on display here. Not saying what their doing is right, but those letters are very damning of Eoga in my opinion. ------------- His Grace the Duke of Felirae |
Shrapnel wrote:Posted By: Eoga
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 20:57
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I was looking for help to protect not to resolve this conflict. However if that is the only help I can get, let me explain my reasons for doing what i did. I hate it when I send my caravans out to gather resources that they get bumped 5 minutes later, So i send a a few soldiers after them to avoid it from happening. I am sorry for those who came from far and therefor had no time to react on my soldiers, however most of the people came from nearby and just should have payed more attention. aside form the once or twice that my caravans got bumped so fast that even my soldiers had not arrived yet, I never destroyed a caravan my own caravan present at the gathering place. so yes, I called it a hazard zone. not because I wanted to claim them for myself, but simply for the fact that if you come from far, I might get their first with soldiers present, and I can't be held responsible for what happens after that. I tried to surrender to them once, but that did not turn out as I hoped. Since GOON avoided posting that message I will do it instead. my message of surrender to them: > Sent By: Eoga > Received By: LordSabian > Sent: 14JUN10 15:15 > Subject: to GOON > Message: LordSabian, Please give the following message to your alliance members: Members and allies of GOON, May I ask why you are doing this to me? I have been keeping myself quiet lately to avoid the same thing you guy did to me the last time I pissed you off. The only thing I have done to you people lately is defend against your thieves and spies. (yes, I know where they came from.) or are you people still hung up on the fact I attacked you once? if so, you people don't quickly forget anything do you? Like I said back then, I just did it to make a statement, if you attack me, I attack back. But since that time I haven't done anything to you, even though you came at me time and time again. I am not sure if you realized this already, but my small attack that rewarded me with almost 1000 stone has already been payed back over a 100 times. I have already offered you people my surrender once, even though you where unable to break trough my defenses, but you people never seemed to want to reply. So here I am offering it you once more. I surrender, state your demands and lets end this so we can both move on. - Eoga ------ the reponds I got: > ------------------------------------------ > Sent By: LordSabian > Received By: Eoga > Sent: 14JUN10 23:31 > Subject: Re: to GOON > Message: I have delivered the message on to the alliance. And I believe this lot of attacks started because Porthos noticed armies attacking his caravans and then disappearing into your city. Just so you know. I'm sure a leader of the alliance will sort something out soon. ------- and then I got this messgae form Beau: > ------------------------------------------ > Sent By: Beau > Received By: Eoga > Sent: 15JUN10 02:46 > Subject: Attacks > Message: I thought I would respond to your message to us. The reason we are attacking you is you have attacked our caravans that were harvesting. Bumping a caravan with other caravan's is quite acceptable and is part of the game. But attacking a caravan that is gathering with your army is an aggresive action. Not only do you get the resources, you wipe out a caravan that has to be replaced. While you may have only done it to one or two of our members, our alliance stands up for its own. That is the importance of an alliance in this game. Unfortunately I cannot control how long these attacks will continue. regards ----- So when I got a message from who I was let to believe was a lreader of GOON saying that he could not control how long the attacks would last, I treathened them. what else was I supposed to do? from my point of view he gave them an all acces pass to my resources and let everyone decide on their own when it was time to back off. I doubted treathening them would work but it was all I got do at that point to try and resolve this. |
Posted By: Duke Felirae
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2010 at 23:36
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You were looking for protection from strangers? Wow. My offer still stands to mediate a peaceful resolution to this conflict. ------------- His Grace the Duke of Felirae |
Posted By: Aelfric
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2010 at 04:49
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Eoga, I'd have to say this: You bit more than you could chew. Regardless of your intention to 'protect the resource cache you're harvesting with your caravans', stationing an army on a tile is a military action, which is further made clear by the resulting losses of incoming caravans. This is the general consensus among players, not because it is forcefully established by big alliances, but because it does make sense. To me this is nearly similar to unlimited submarine operation conducted by Kriegsmarine in WW2, resulting in the sinking of American merchant ships. I'm sure you remember how the U.S. responded. Now, feel free to stand on your own opinions, but be ready for the consequences when you breach the norms. No one would offer military protection to you. What would they gain from it? Gold? Only other big alliances would be able to help you and they've hoarded more gold coins than you could imagine. Peaceful resolution is the only way out. And that starts when you start realising it's you who started all these. Good luck. |
Posted By: Eoga
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2010 at 08:26
I think i started with the line that it was all my fault. It is in my first post somewhere though. However there is no peaceful way out. GOON made it clear to me that they can't control their members. I understand that protecting my caravans is selfish, however is it really worth all this? an attack, fine, I am always up for a good fight, however it stops being a good when you are on the ground beaten to a pulp ans still people get back into the line for yet an other turn to kick you. Peace is not an option, Getting out of this myself is not within my power. Help is my only option, however I was not looking for greed, i have gold if they want, but I was hoping for someone who wanted to do this just because they wanted to fight or help someone who got in over his head. on a more positive not e though, their number of attacks have decreased for 15-20 a day to about 10. still not much time for me to do anything, especially since there is someone less than an hour away and I can't be 24/7 vigilant to pull back my troops so I can get a chance to rebuild a fighting force. |
Posted By: Aelfric
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2010 at 08:39
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While you admitted it was your fault, you still tried to defend the reasoning behind your action. This, to me, a third party, gave the impression that your admittance to mistake was not genuine. I believe those involved would have perceived it similarly. If I were you, I would have stayed quite and let the attackers get bored doing what they're doing. Attacking 'an over-harvested farm' wouldn't yield much and eventually they'll stop wasting their time attacking you because they get nothing out of it. And remember, it's just a game. Don't take it too seriously.  |
Posted By: Duke Felirae
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2010 at 10:10
------------- His Grace the Duke of Felirae |
Posted By: Aelfric
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2010 at 10:37
That was an analogy. I have great interest in WW2, so I couldn't resist trying to relate many things to it.  |
Posted By: Duke Felirae
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2010 at 10:54
------------- His Grace the Duke of Felirae |
Posted By: Ryuuku
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2010 at 17:45
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Aelfric's analysis of the human behavior portion of this conflict is correct. Eoga's statement "GOON made it clear to me that they can't control their members" is patently false, and shows his complete misread of the situation. One of our members stated that HE had no control over the attacks. Eoga's failure to look at the roster and realize who is in charge leads to some very off-base ideas on his part. But, basically, his attitude is that he should be able to maximize his benefits at the expense of everyone else who plays the game. He pays very little heed to other parties and their points of view, unless forced to do so. In fact, in this instance, he has never stated that his caravan-killing is even up for debate, despite all of the negative consequences that have flowed from that. He just wants us to leave him alone so he can continue to do what he was doing all along. |
Posted By: Eoga
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2010 at 19:36
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May I ask, how can you live with your ideas of gathering resources? without an escort those caravans get bumped every few minutes. it kind of makes gathering useless since in a few minutes you can barley get anything useful from a place like that. I might be selfish, however to be honest I can't believe I am the only doing it. |
Posted By: Faya
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2010 at 19:42
Hello all. I am the leader of Goonies. Eoga makes assumptions on people without even looking. The Goonies WILL respond to me if I ask them to stand down. And our confederation partners that are in on the attacks would stand-down if I requested them to do so. The issue is, I have no reason to order the stand-down.
Eoga has made it clear that if we back down, he will rise and crush us. Just as he did before.
Eoga is leaving out some important info...let me sum it up.
1) He was spying on our towns
2) We asked him to cease (in fact, our confederation partners asked him to cease). We even offered to let him join us before ANY attacks began.
3) He laughed in our face saying he could do what he wanted
4) We attacked.
5) He sent a "I surrender but you didn't beat me" message.
6) We DID back off - briefly
7) He started up attacking our caravans with the attitude he WOULD protect HIS nodes (it was a danger zone to everyone else).
8) We launched repeated attacks
9) He begs for help
10) He admits he was wrong, but will not shown any sign of being regretful. He always backs up his "apologies" with some excuse.
So, we backed off once and had him attack our caravans because of it. We know if we back off again, he will rebuild and attack. He has said so himself.
Our stronger armies are 20+ hours away from him. Goonies are friends that have played before together. We protect our own, even if if means travelling across the world. We WOULD prefer peace but Eoga is one that we feel we cannot trust at this point.
Now, also let me point out he only griped when we started attacking his "sister" that is 1 day or so travelling from him and joined his alliance the same day he created it. We did make note that his sister has left his alliance and though we believe they are still working together, we ceased ALL attacks on her as soon as we saw the lack of association between the two. We attacked her because he created an alliance (which he said he would stand on his own) and then brought her in during war. She became an instant target. Not a very nice thing to do to a new player.
Our less strong members near him are still his targets, we know that. And until he learns to keep him mouth shut and not bite off more than he can chew, our armies will pound him.
It would have been nice to have a peaceful resolve to this. But I dont feel Eoga has it in him to truthfully commit to any type of peaceful agreement. And with the distance it takes for us to reach him, we have to continue our attacks.
Eoga: Its too bad you wanted it this way. We could have been good friends. Peace WAS an option. And if we can see truthful actions on your part, maybe still. But in the meantime, our armies are still coming.
Ok, back to the game.
Thanks all for listening.
Faya
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Posted By: sneakypete
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 01:59
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Maybe this thought is a little naive but posting something on an open forum asking for anyone that wants a good fight to come protect his city, only seems to allow his actions to go unanswered. Is it overkill the position Eoga is in? Some may say yes. I am not going to weigh in on that debate. But there is a saying that goes screw me once shame on you, screw me twice shame on me. Plus on the messages that have been posted by Eoga, he appears to be a bully not caring for the issues he may cause. If he is to be reinforced by a bigger group, that would not only create war for the alliances but it seems that would only fuel his self interest. Sitting there doing what he wants and ignoring any peaceful asking of alliances to stop. One last point I would like to add. I know the area that is in concern. I would like to point out that the people who are complaining that their caravans are being destroyed are not coming from super far away for nodes. We all expect an occasional bad timing where a caravan will be destroyed. But with the amount of bad luck some of these people are having it seems like he is sending his army first and asking questions later. But well that is just my insight. |
Posted By: Aelfric
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 02:24
Seriously, wake up, mate. I can't believe how stubborn you are. Think again, do you think it's only you whose caravans got bumped off every now and then? No, even my alliance mate accidentally bumps off my caravans from time to time. I got my caravan bumped off by a neighbour after only gathering 73 units of resources out of hundreds available. Do I make a big deal about it and start sending out my army? No. If someone killed your caravans, how would you respond? Judging from the way you think, you would have gone on the offensive. Same goes with these alliances. They exist to protect the members within them. And when you attack them like this, of course the whole alliances would respond. Don't do unto others what you don't want others do unto you. |
Posted By: sneakypete
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 03:05
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So you never wanted this fight? although your actions tell me otherwise,
I am here to make you prove that once and for all. As I did before I will do so again, I surrender. I have a few rules though in this offer, just so we both know what we will be getting in to. 1. I will stop protecting my caravans with soldiers, provided that they won't get attacked. 2. I will stop sending diplomatic units, provided that GOON will do the same. 3. You will warn me when I do something you annoy before actually attacking me. Unlike how things went this time, I want to be accused before I receive the punishment. 4. No more attacks from either side. To avoid what happened last time I surrendered, I will not accept a responds form anyone but you and will not accept a responds that does not tell me when all of this ends. If attacks do continue after the agreed time, I demand consequences and if you can't proved them, I will. This not a threat, but a warning. I hope you see reason i these terms. This was the last message sent to the leader of the GOONS alliance. Maybe I have forgotten how you talk to people. First and foremost when requesting someone to stop attacking me I don't think I would have any place demanding certain rules or demanding that the alliance do certain things, i.e. warn me when I do something stupid. Secondly, demanding consequences for actions taken otherwise they will is a threat plain and simple. A warning is a threat. Don't do this or else is what it is saying. If I were in that position I would wait until a little bit nicer approach was used. Of course I would also not be threatening and demanding things from the people crushing my city to the ground. Sometimes it's better to chose your words carefully in certain situations.... |
Posted By: Sherpa
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 03:39
Sage advice Sneakypete. As Lady Faya stated, GOON and its confederates will stand down when Eoga does. I am simply suprised this issue continues to persist. Entertainment at the very least....
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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 05:43
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I'm kinda surprised people take caravan busting that seriously. Just drop your own armies and have some fun out in the fields without the need to feel threatened in your city. I can see where Eoga's personality has escalated this - but to claim that attacking a caravan is a good excuse by itself to go hit someone's city is taking it a bit far. |
Posted By: sneakypete
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 06:45
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Killerpoodle the issue is not that he killed some caravans. The issues is that he scouted and attacked people in the GOONS alliance. When they offered to truce him and even invited him to join their alliance, he said no and that he would attack anyone that hit him. So they attacked. He called truce and then started attacking caravans. If someone wants to be left alone, then I would say sit back and not instigate anything. But the fact that he attacked, asked us to stop, and then went back to it is why there is a fight now. And each time his arrogance gets the better of him. So he apologizes by threatening an alliance, then sits here and acts like an innocent bystander. As someone posted before I think he needs to show a little humility, shut his mouth, and lay low for now. We all make mistakes but by demanding and being arrogant will just continue the issue. A simple I'm sorry, I made a mistake, would suffice. I think he had a good idea about some ways to help each other stay clear like he will not attack and will try a little better about sending an army to a node. But to push his point as if he is the aggressor is not going to work. But again I am not the leader of GOONS so what do I know. |
Posted By: Aelfric
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 09:04
Can you see how simple it is?
I give up trying to make you learn. No point talking to a brick wall. If I were one of the GOONs, I would have attacked you too. If I was one of those people whose caravans got killed by your armies, regardless of the alliance I was in, I would have attacked you too. EDIT: HAH, he removed that post. But I already quoted it. |
Posted By: Eoga
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 09:42
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sneakypete, are you part of GOON? if so, I am wondering, perhaps you can tell me why GOON keeps insisting that I attacked their caravans? it almost sounds as if I deployed some troop just to mess with them. if I where you I would be more concerned about the fact that GOON attacked me and then told me that had a problem with me protecting my caravans. To me it sounds more like a justification than a reason. and Don't say the fact that they invited me to join as if it was out of the goodness of their hearth. back then they did not have any problems with me yet, Nor had I with them. the distance just made sense. contrary to what you are trying to make people believe, I declined respectfully. I just did not want to get tied up in an alliance before I got to a chance to see how it was by myself. also, when you look at the 'rules' I stated. If I begged on my knees and let you dictate terms, would you really have come up with anything different? aside from the way I brought them to you, this is a fair and peaceful offer, no matter how you look at it. to be fair, the arrogance mentioned is probably not just the only reason this continues, but also the only reason it started. in other words they are just attacking because they hate me. Kind of arrogant of them to believe they are better than me. -Eoga EDIT: Aelfric, yeah I figured it was best to leave the list out. EDIT2: you can pretty much change those cause and effect anyway you like, to make tell it any message you want. atleased I know where your allegiance lies! |
Posted By: Aelfric
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 11:00
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Eoga, I am a third party who has no allegiance. The outcome of this matter has no bearing on my own situation. What do you think I would gain from this? But you're right. It's not about attacking caravans at all. It's about your attitude. I was trying to help you to understand why you would need to change it, but I failed. So, good luck with your future endeavours. |
Posted By: Duke Felirae
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 13:05
This message brought to you by another third party with no allegiance. ------------- His Grace the Duke of Felirae |
Posted By: sneakypete
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 16:42
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Eoga the issue isn't only about you hitting caravans. It was the fact that because of issues you instigated GOONS went to war with you, you asked them to stop and then went back on that. Again the first time you asked them to stop and truced them I would have made darn sure that if I might accidentally kill anything of theirs that I would steer clear of it. Also, the hitting of caravans was not a simple one time ordeal. It happened multiple times to the point where other alliances were asking what the deal was with you. Which leads me to believe either you don't know how to reinforce a resource node without killing people or you were doing it intentionally. The rules you so pointedly asked for is not a problem. But you approach it all wrong. It would be like if I were to be arrested for something telling the officer that I will go to jail as long as I get a red jump suit, steak every night, and HBO. I would be in no position to state that I want anything because at that point I have no power what so ever. Also you declined respectfully? You attacked and scout them. They said hey join GOONS. You said no and if any one comes after me I will smash them into dust? I am pretty sure that if you would have said something more like no thanks for now I would like to try the game out on my own, you would have got a fairly nice response of okay but please try not to scout or hit our towns because that would be considered an act of war. Then you would have known not to do it and you wouldn't be in this mess. And yes Eoga from what I hear they absolutely hate you. They take this game more serious than real life. I hear some of them getting really excited about hitting you that it puts them into almost a berserker rage. Get a clue! |
Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 19:29
I'm not saying there aren't good reasons to smoke this guy. I'm disagreeing with this post:
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Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 20:05
| If someone occupies a resource with their army and I then send a caravan which is destroyed because of it, I wouldn't blame that person. If I am collecting resources and an army comes and destroys my caravan, then I might be looking for a little payback. Lots of times the latter happens and the only way to protect your own caravans is to send an escorting army. This is fair and if it results in the loss of caravans who unknowingly wander into the area, it's a no fault accident imo. |
Posted By: Duke Felirae
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 22:52
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Well I disagree with this whole army-caravan thing. If no one sends armies out with their caravans, then sure people get bumped, but no one loses caravans in the process. If were all sending out armies with our caravans not only can caravans get destroyed, but troops can be killed. That's just an unnecessary loss of resources due to the having to rebuild caravans and armies - caused entirely by selfishness and greediness. As Eoga has found out having your caravans bumped is annoying, however having your city attacked because you decided to act like a jerk about it is even more annoying. So the smart option is not to be sending out armies and not to be destroying other peoples assets. ------------- His Grace the Duke of Felirae |
Posted By: Wuzzel
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 23:14
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I destroyed so many caravans and many of my caravans got destroyed. I could care less about caravans. I would make them again. Just my point of view on destroying caravans. -------------
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Posted By: Eoga
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2010 at 14:48
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While we are reminiscing about stuff that happened long ago and can't be changed anymore, let me post my very first sent item. Guess I never changed. If anything I got more aggressive later on.
EDIT: hehe, looking at the dates I must be playing for about a month now. although the last week of them i have been under a constant barrage. which is about 25%! |
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Posted By: CranK
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2010 at 15:03
And they did. So whats the problem again? I'm a bit confused.. |
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Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2010 at 16:03
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FYI, Eoga complained earlier how his sister was being attacked because of his actions. I have since offered her sanctuary and she has accepted. I have been informed by NUME and GOON that attacks on her have stopped which I thank them for cooperating. The problem of his sister is resolved.
I would like to add that NUME and GOON have expressed concern that his sister's account is really just an alternate of his. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt until give reason not to. Selinia whether his sister or not will be safe in my alliance as long as she does not aid Eoga in his war against NUME and GOON. Should Selinia prove to be an alternate account and if Eoga uses this peacetime to build his troops and strike back at NUME and GOON, he will only have further complicated his current woes.
This is just for the record.
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Posted By: Eoga
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2010 at 20:47
I just thought I post it since sneakypete hinted that I turned down their invitation by attacking them. However, at the time I wrote that no attacks had taken place yet. If people would like to help me, i will never turn you down. however public opinion has showed me that trying to convince people will not work so I will stop trying. that said, I would like to thank everyone that showed interest in this, and I especially would like to thank Sharpnel for taking care of my sister. I understand there are doubts about if that account is an alternate me, however I assure you, she is not. I thank you all for your time, you have been very entertaining in these dark times. -Eoga |
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Posted By: Aelfric
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2010 at 09:00
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To be fair, Eoga. If it wasn't because of people like you, Illyriad would be too boring. Again, good luck in your future endeavours. |
Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2010 at 13:35
| It would be kind of cool if Eoga was able to turn this into a real fight though. Not that I wish GOON or NUME ill will, but close battles are more entertaining. |
Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2010 at 12:33
| I'm sure there are plenty of close battles elsewhere. |
Posted By: Dogbert
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2010 at 02:59
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i could not read the whole thread, just arrived to this one, but this guy is AMAZING. i mean i agree with wuzzell (overkill) but this guy REALLY does not help himself how bout a little dipplomacy, strategy? why scout someone u wont attk? what conclusions will you get wit hsomeone with a big army? that's just paranoid dude . it doesnt help. i beleive it's overkill, but this guy is asking to be wiped out
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