Pikeman Human 1200 900

Man-at-Arms Human 1400 900

Protector Elf 1000 620

Warden Elf 1200 790

Sentinel Elf 1000 750

Halbardier Dwarf 1200 880

Stalwart Dwarf 1400 960

Kobold Cohort Orc 1000 370

Fang Orc 1200 510

Clanguard Orc 1000 760

I believe that the orc'n kobold is very over-powered and needs to be reduced because it is zerg level over-powered. At lvl 20 barracks without any sov the time is 3 min per, which is over 2 min and 15 seconds faster then the fastest elf unit, 1 race should not have almost half the total time of the corresponding unit in another unit, with the way each terrain bonus goes, spears are the most all around unit, so i believe either some of the other racial units get decreased or increase the t1 spear unit for orcs to lower the massive advantage that orcs have with the time per unit. 

"Give me something to stand on and I will rule the world." -- Joe Dwarf

That assumes people know what they're doing when they make their account.  I think most newbies see in the starting description that humans and elves are good choices for new players and pick them because of that.  

i have voiced my opinions about this subject numerous times.   Orc units are exceptionally under-powered, not over-powered. 

kobolds are referred to by me as meatshields, they have one function on the battlefield and that is to die.  a task they perform admirably when struck by even the weakest unit of other races.  yes i can build a million kobolds in the time it takes an elf to build 150k sentinels. but when they meet, the elf will win every single time. on any terrain.  guaranteed. 

my argument isnt about the kobolds. i have long since accepted their place in illy. my concern, is with the outrageously expensive cost of a war wolf - 5 hides per unit!   and the disgraceful increase in strength of other races t2 units when the orc clanguardsmen has only a 1 point adv over other races in cav def - 33 vs cav.   

 

a dwarf halbardier has what. . 32 cav def?  or 31?  the t2 spear unit is woeful compared to the advantage a t2 trueshot has over other bowtypes. or a t2 knight has over other cav types.  and yes, the recent increase a stalwart has over other sword units.   shamefully neglected i would say in regard to orc units.  

and yes, ridiculously over exposed to bow attacks.    

I found Orc the most useful in teamplay & Elf the easiest race jack-of-all trades.

Without the cheap beer (or bows for elf spam, or even chain for the ole' fangs ) from the open market, Orcs quickly became resource intensive, It always seem to outstrip production in a way far worse than the Human Cow famine. 

For Veterans s or fed players with M/Billions worth of gold and resources. Orcs provide an advantage in the depths of war like no other. Which is why their're some evil Orc alts on the battlefield.

 

In-fact when I played Elf I sold all of my cows in peace for 800ea, and made pure t1 sword (+ Rams ) & t1 bow. Then In war I switched to t2 diplio in all towns instead. ( only 400 a cow nowadays? )

Orcs have horrid camp bursting armies, Dwarfs at least have Swordmen from

hell, Humans the attack value of Doom and Elf's is a decent blend or speed and attack from Bows & Cav.

Elf's just seem to blag-it with bulk archers. What you cant attack directly you can raid into the ground with cheep, swift, stern archers. Failing that you just compliment any blockade or siege with them.

I always end up logging into a Human account having all unit types with t1 cav, Guess I get bored if I'm not part of every operation going ;p

As a Human, I found Elfs my biggest problem, their 32 bow attack just munches my camp-enforcing units. And then they can bolster orcs anti-cav blobs from my Longbow men of 24 attack crappness.

It's probably why Humans just spam knights for pure attack value over correct terrain and unit use, It's not worth the risk or bother. As Illy slowly boosts all races "special" units, the only strategy is coming is from multiple accounts working together with mono-units tri-forces, with dwarfs being an optional extra.

All you need to do is exploit the bonuses that surrounds you. :D

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and once you take that DEV blog post into account your example becomes completely besides the point because the DEVs flat out state in it that sentinals are not the best elf unit for cav def/time.  so as along as you compare 2 units that do not have the same specialty then of course one of them will be overpowered in comparison to the other in their specialty.

100,000k t1 kobalds  (build time 370*)

attack power 900,000

def vs spear 1,200,000

def vs sword 1,200,000

def vs caval 1,300,00

49333 t1 sentinels  (build time 750*)

def vs spear 1,134,667

def vs sword 1,134,667

def vs bow 1,184,000

def vs caval  789,333

looks really balanced to me especially if you use the sentinels to attack the kobalds instead of cavalry...

** hmm, not sure how much of reduction in build time a level 20 barracks has on each of these units.  The numbers should still hold true.  Even so, with 48000 t1 sentinels the attack power would be reduced to 960,000 still 360,000 greater then spears defense vs them.  

Ever notice that SIN actually has a pretty good mixture of all the races? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that each race has its own strengths and faults. 

I presume the value of books is related to the value of maintaining sovereignty, more than the value of recruiting diplomats.

In the case of cows it seems pretty clear that this is due to their use in creating saddles for cavalry. This suggests to me that cavalry are the strongest units in the game, which is further supported by the races with access to the strongest (humans) and fastest (elves) cavalry being the most common races. Another reason why cavalry might be expected to be the most important troop type is that many players will settle on plains for the purpose of having a 7-food square for a large population, to support a large military and for building 10+ cities.

It therefore seems perverse to complain that a spear unit is overpowered, when spears are the unit specialised for taking on cavalry, which are clearly a more popular choice for building. Otherwise we might expect to see spears have a market value of around 400, rather than 90-something, and cows relegated to a bovine curiosity.