LC Vs. DoH
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Topic: LC Vs. DoH
Posted By: phoenixfire
Subject: LC Vs. DoH
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 18:40
| I am making this thread to see if Starks new policy is a better compromise than just a restricted settlment claim(the normal claims). If you honestly don't care just choose "I really don't care". |
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Posted By: GM Rikoo
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 18:54
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Moving this. This is not off-topic, this is very much on topic of the game. Rikoo ------------- Illyriad Community Manager / Public Relations / community@illyriad.co.uk |
Posted By: phoenixfire
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 18:55
| Sorry about that, I couldn't make a poll where this would actually fit in for some reason. |
Posted By: Jejune
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 19:14
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It might be a good idea to better define what a Declaration of Homeland is first. In my mind, a "DoH" is a demarcation of where on the Illy maps an alliance's main cluster of cities is, but that includes no restrictions, regulations or policies on settlement. There are no "political boundaries" -- just a more qualitative sense of where the alliance focuses its own settlement. Is that a fair definition? ------------- https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/394156" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: phoenixfire
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 19:19
| That is a fair definition. Also can anyone vote on this poll? Under the poll it says that I can not. |
Posted By: GM Rikoo
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 19:23
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Voting should be working now! Let me know if not. Rikooooo ------------- Illyriad Community Manager / Public Relations / community@illyriad.co.uk |
Posted By: King korr
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 23:49
Yet phoenix that isn't what you've done, the region you're settling such as no settling within 13 sq's ect so your's is closer to a land claim than a homeland. As being a homeland claim you wouldn't of needed to post in forum but put on your alliance summary something like: Region A is where we will be settling and all new members will be encouraged to settle their cities there which is what 99% of all alliance's with a homeland do . And wouldn't put no settling within 13 sq's as quiet literally if your harvesting outside the 10 sq's it's common illy practice to put an army on your kill to protect it
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phoenixfire wrote:Posted By: Angrim
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2015 at 00:01
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i suspect Stark will encounter all the same resistance. ajqtrz's ethical objections aside, a fair amount of the resistance to land claims is an administrative objection. for those in large organisations, policing so many different situations across the map before approving a settlement is egregious. |
Posted By: Diva
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2015 at 02:08
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I looked up egregious. Strikes me as fitting. I like the words outstandingly bad. The synonyms fill in the most words left unsaid to the LC's. e·gre·gious əˈɡrējəs/ adjective
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Posted By: Jax
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 20:18
| I'm okay with Stark having a Homeland instead of a Land Claim. Land claims are different though, and I believe it to be best for Hansa to keep theirs. Differences in alliance policies doesn't make you an enemy.Well, I can't speak for everyone.. |
Posted By: Jejune
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 20:40
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Stark doesn't even know what Stark has. Based on the merry-go-round of policies that they've posted (you'll recall that their first land claim coordinates were completely wrong and had them claiming mostly water), what they have is a "no-claim zone." The " http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/noclaim-land-claims_topic6435.html" rel="nofollow - no-claim zone " was implemented by TVM. It is not a land claim because there is no settlement restriction enforcement. However, disallowing other alliances from setting up a claim in a "no-claim zone" IS enforced. This is what Phoenixfire indicated the Stark claim now is. This "Declaration of Homeland" that PF invented -- which is a cool idea -- is not the same thing as a "no-claim zone." All a DoH is is an unofficial area that an alliance calls a "homeland" because most of their cities are clustered there. There is no policy enforcement whatsoever -- no restrictions outside of the 10-square rule. They are similar to the http://tinyurl.com/bl-land-claim-map" rel="nofollow - "prominent alliance clusters" on the map , in that they are just there to show people where alliances' cities are pooled. DoHs are really cool, and if we implement them on a map, they definitely enrich the whole "strategic map" concept. But Stark doesn't have a DoH, but rather a "no-claim zone." Or at least based on what they last said. They might change it yet again after PF reads this. ------------- https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/394156" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: phoenixfire
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 20:58
You can try and claim it all you want. We will not listen or comply with such a claim.
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Posted By: Han Dynasty
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 21:44
At least not until you are the dominant power in that zone, then you will start enforcing LCs. ------------- The official forum profile for Han Dynasty. |
Posted By: phoenixfire
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 21:50
| Nope. The DoH is what we are staying with as it is less likely to create conflict than a land claim which is all we wanted from the get go. A small place that we could settle in without people messing with us just because they can. |
Posted By: Han Dynasty
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 21:58
Thats odd. I seem to recall a small alliance messing with around a smaller alliance because it could.The alliance leader threatened the smaller alliance over settling in a region that was almost entirely unpopulated. That alliance and its leader actually went to war against the smaller over those disputes, I can't remember the player's name, something unoriginal, but it'll come to me... ------------- The official forum profile for Han Dynasty. |
Posted By: phoenixfire
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 22:02
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Yup, that was me. Also I use this name because it uses my initials P and F. We went to war then over the same reason we went to war with Stomps. We wanted to be left alone for once, we had been kicked out of two different areas by two different alliances and we were tired of it.
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Posted By: Han Dynasty
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 22:14
So you then tried to turn the tables and kick someone else out. Admirable ------------- The official forum profile for Han Dynasty. |
Posted By: phoenixfire
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2015 at 01:05
| No we asked to be left alone and for han to maintain the 10 square rule. You responded with "almenly is largely unpopulated so we will settle where we want to" we then responded with ok just leave us alone and then we magically received 50+ diplo attacks in a matter of a week. So we assumed you would not leave us alone so we attacked first before being thrown out of yet another spot on the map. |
Posted By: Angrim
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2015 at 02:48
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this back-and-forth would seem to deserve its own thread. perhaps Rikoo would be so kind as to move it to one, as it's simply a distraction here. |
Posted By: Lord Moonpie
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2015 at 19:44
| Has anyone noticed that DoH is quite similar, if not congruent, to Homer Simpson's catch phrase for screwing up? I made a land claim, d'oh! |
Posted By: Nero
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2015 at 20:49
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The three biggest problems with Elgea are 1.) Its overpopulated. 2.) Land and crafting res are hard to come by. 3.) Alliances are spread out into each other. BL was the Dev's solution to the overpopulation of Elgea. LC-ing is, in my eyes, a way to prevent the same problems from Elgea from carrying over to BL.
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Posted By: Lord Moonpie
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2015 at 20:29
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Now that the dust has cleared from... whatever the hell Stark thinks its doing, and as we await Phoenixfire's execution at the hands of Han, perhaps we can discuss this topic in greater detail. I agree with Nero and Declarations of Homeland might be a solution for alliances not interested in conflict but interested in the Broken Lands. I think we can agree that Stark doesnt have a DoH, or at least this isnt what a DoH should look like. So there are a few questions that come to my mind that might help define it. 1. Is a DoH enforceable? If so, unto whom is it enforced and how. 2. Do DoHs have specifically defined borders? 3. Does an alliance claiming a DoH in one area prevent another alliance from claiming DoH in that same area? 4. Can Land Claims and DoHs exist in the same area or are they necessarily mutually exclusive? 5. Can DoHs inhabit No-claim Zones? Certainly would like as many people to weigh in as possible, especially ajqrtz, who I believe came up with the basic idea initially, and Jejune who of course was the creator god of LCs. |
Posted By: phoenixfire
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2015 at 23:15
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1. No 2. they can as all it is saying is we are settling here. (goes back to number 1) 3. We wont prevent another from declaring a homeland in that overlaps with ours. 4. We will not adhere to a land claim over our homeland and i assume neither would anyone else. 5. As we will not adhere to a land claim over our DoH you can make one we just wont listen to it.
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