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Topic: Elgea and BL
Posted By: Orin
Subject: Elgea and BL
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2015 at 20:53
Do you think that the big elgean players and alliances  should or should not interfere with the going ons of the southern continent.



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Posted By: Belegar Ironhammer
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2015 at 20:57
It doesn't really matter what I think about this as the GA types clamoring for war on BL will do what they want anyway as would any other alliance. 

And if someone wants to wage a war with 2 to 3 week trip times for sieges be my guest, but it will prove an exercise in futility. War at such distances is pointless especially against cluster alliances. 


Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2015 at 21:49
No. Most of the Broken Lands is populated by players who have sent some cities to that continent, or else have an alt there. If the lands were meant to be separate, the devs would have made it take much longer to get there. As it stands, they changed it to be easier, which is why you can move there faster now.


Posted By: Steven Quincy Urpel
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2015 at 22:28
No. Everyone should do whatever they want in game as long as it's within the rules. Also, what Brandmeister said. If the intent was separate environments the devs could have restricted or disallowed interaction.

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Posted By: phoenixfire
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2015 at 22:33
Here is what I think on this whole matter. 

Those who have a city or more in TBL are fine poking their nose in BL politics and alliances as it may actually affect them, however the massive 20 city people who don't have a single city in TBL should keep their noses out of something that doesn't affect them and wont until they decide to move a city down to TBL.

The whole thing of we can't say who settles where is a BS excuse to try and keep a hold on how the entire server runs. All of the massive 20 city people do the exact same thing with the 10 square convention all we are doing is trying to prevent the situation of someone having to move out of an area we are already in just because we outgrew them.


Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2015 at 22:40
as an account that moved down to bl all should be involved...lets play the game, its exciting how this new land has changed the strategy, the question should be how scared should the old lands be of the new lands! i think they have more to fear from us! game on!


Posted By: Snook
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2015 at 06:12
"This is the GM'S guide The Broken Lands FAQ | Illyriad" Yes! Feel free to attack, guard, aid or feint your way into the new lands. It’s a dangerous area, so it was important to us to make action possible.

 BL was made in my view for fighting and to add a new aspect to ILLY. for all to have fun but with the land claims this can limit that.

 This land is for all players no rules just have fun.  all should have a say in this.

  


Posted By: Veneke
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2015 at 10:35
I think it's worth keeping in mind that there are alliances predominantly based in Elgea with interests in the Broken Lands. It's also worth noting that even alliances who are effectively entirely based in BL have an interest in Elgea, and especially the newbie ring.

So some overlap is going to occur, and some Elgean alliances should take an interest in developments in the Broken Lands. What those, and other, alliances need to realize is that just because we're not on different servers doesn't mean that we must all abide by the same conventions. Illyriad's gameplay, and the position of the Broken Lands offers us, the community, an opportunity to cater for many different playstyles and that's an opportunity which should not be squandered.

So, to my mind, it's not a question of interference or not but a question of approach. Should 'Elgean' alliances approach the political dynamic in the Broken Lands with the same mindset that currently dominates Elgea? No, but that doesn't meant that they should not engage with the Broken Lands.


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Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2015 at 12:00
I did not see any important comment by players not having towns in BL. Most big alliances have at least big outposts down there.

Thus the question is aimed at about 5 players not having towns in BL AND posting in forums?  Wink

Any alliance will choose as it thinks it fits best for that one alliance.


Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2015 at 18:18
People can say pretty much anything they want in global chat and on the forum, but one's own capabilities and those of one's allies in an area will determine how seriously these comments are taken.  I might express an opinion about the climate in The Wastes, but since my cities are in Tamarin and my alliance mostly in eastern Elgea, no amount of hot air will melt those glaciers.

Similarly the opinions and preferences of players and alliances that have a presence in Elgea matter to the degree to which they can actually influence events.  There are quite a number of alliances that have a presence both in Elgea and in Broken Lands.

I have an alt that is in an alliance that exclusively exists in Broken Lands.  Should I have "more" of a say about how other people play in Broken Lands because of that?


Posted By: mjc2
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2015 at 23:44
i think what orin is actually asking is should a Major Elgea Alliance tell BL alliances how they can or cannot play the game.  

personally i think if they want to let them.  the only way they can enforce it is via war and General Distance will be on the side of the BL alliance which will give the Major Elgea Alliance a disadvantage and if the Major Elgea Alliance makes demands that they cannot enforce that will decrease their diplomatic power at home, so in essance should the Major Elgea Alliances take the risk of making demands in BL?  that is up to the Major Elgea Alliance, personally i think they have a lot more to lose then they could possibly gain by making such demands since any concessions they get from the few alliances they can beat in BL against General Distance will have to be repeated against most BL alliances to be enforced at a server wide level and all they can possibly gain is the right to stick their nose where it doesn't belong, which they already have in the form of "free speech."  but as long as they proceed each statement they make about the issues with "i think you should" or "it would be better if" then no one would expect them to use military force to push their agenda and hence no inherent possibility of "diplomatic power" loss at home.

now if all the Major Elgea Alliance wants is a fight for the fights sake, get rid of all the diplomatic reasons and flat out say "we are attacking x alliance because we want to have some fun" it would be a smart idea to talk to that alliance first and set up some ground rules before the war starts which if i remember right SIN has a standing offer just contact them, they like short fun wars.


Posted By: Dravin the Sloth
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2015 at 23:48
if, then.  

i am currently based exclusively in the bl.  if i were to insist upon zero influence from elgea, then i would need to forgo influence in elgea.  i am not so sure that would be wise.  besides, gc; kind of relegates  this question to the rhetorical.

also, sandbox


Posted By: Jejune
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2015 at 09:23
This is a great poll and discussion -- thanks to everyone, Elgean and BL alike, for contributing. As a BL-only player, I share with many others in this forum thread the desire to have a separate gaming experience from the Elgean continent and its influence.

The thing is, that's not a reality.

The devs had the ability to put the BL on a completely different server (we could have been playing it on the "http://broken-lands.illyriad.co.uk/" subdomain, but we're not), and they also had the ability to make the Bitter Sea a vast expanse of ocean as opposed to something more akin to the English Channel. They didn't.

They could have also changed the game so that when new players spawn, they have a choice of which continent to spawn onto. They didn't do that, either.

Finally, when you look at the poll thus far, you can see that a majority of players -- likely ones who are more Elgean than BL -- do want to be involved in shaping BL gameplay. They think that, since the BL can be reached from Elgea, that they have a stake in it. And the game features bear that reality out. I don't think there is anything to even debate about this.

Remember that "friction" is a buzzword for GM Stormcrow. This is likely why the dev team chose to make Elgea and BL still within reasonable reach of one another. As a BL player, I accept the reality that Elgea has the right to try and influence/control the BL. It also has the "might" -- there are alliances and confed in Elgea that can bring to bear massive armies, no doubt. Usually in life, "might makes right." 

So this means that if BL-only and BL-dominant alliances want to assert themselves and create a different gaming environment, they need to think out of the box of how to achieve that -- without the use of overwhelming force and without the help of the devs. 

Again, great discussion topic, and it's a pleasure playing this game with you all -- Elgean and BL alike. :-)


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Posted By: Binky the Berserker
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2015 at 16:00
everyone who wants elgea to stay out of broken lands: don't expect to get any elemental salts


Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2015 at 16:50
I will happily sell elemental salts in the Broken Lands at good prices. ;-)



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