Has Elgea stagnated?
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Topic: Has Elgea stagnated?
Posted By: abstractdream
Subject: Has Elgea stagnated?
Date Posted: 21 May 2015 at 01:50
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When the Devs opened The Broken Lands, a number of the more provocative players and alliances abandoned the "old world," moved there and seem to be going about the business of establishing at least a "new vibe," if not a new way to play. Currently there is a debate in the Forum over a new spate of land claims that have arguably been made because of this "new vibe." Who believes TBL has sapped the life out of Elgea? Who thinks Elgea was pronounced dead before TBL? Who's not the least bit interested in this stupid question? ------------- |
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Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 21 May 2015 at 02:31
| In many respects, most of Elgea had stagnated long before the Broken Lands finally opened. Elgea did have a huge war last year, so I wouldn't really consider that complete stagnation. The problem is that the sandbox has become very stale, with nothing really new to keep players engaged. |
Posted By: Morgweneth
Date Posted: 21 May 2015 at 04:03
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Unfortunately Brandmeister is correct, people need freshness to keep them engaged and many are leaving and will continue to leave out of boredom. Since I joined we have been given Broken Lands and now increased City building but they are more of the same. I have played other games that were not as good but they offered a fresh canvas on a regular basis where you could try your hand again. Illyriad does not offer this so must keep players engaged in other ways, in the past it has with crafting and sov etc but where are the Factions, Magic and other updates that promise so much and what has happened to the Tourneys, surely they cannot be too difficult to organise and do provide something different to be engaged in. As for the original question BL is having an impact on Elgea for some parts particularly I have seen in the North are beginning to empty, the loss of permasats will also help free up what was a cluttered map. I feel though that there needs to be more distinction between the lands, perhaps factions could help provide this or a BL focused quest or Monsters. All in all I do like Illy and like many would not like to see it slowly die, particularly with all the great work and imagination that has already gone into it. |
Posted By: OLD ONE
Date Posted: 21 May 2015 at 07:45
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Game stagnating since 2012 (after tournament with skulls, bones and undeads). In my opinion about activity and stagnating , of course
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Posted By: Berde
Date Posted: 21 May 2015 at 12:20
I decided to ask this of Stormcrow in GC a few days ago, rather than the usual whine of "When is the next Tournament going to be?!" Well, basically, the answer came off as "We can't think of any new ideas for tournaments" and "It'd take some coding work in the Broken Lands." Stormcrow suggested if we had fresh ideas for tournaments rather than repeating an old one, to put them in the Suggestions area. I distinctly got the impression that we won't be seeing any tournaments unless we do the creative work. Personally, I'd be happy with a repeat at this juncture.
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Morgweneth wrote:Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 21 May 2015 at 13:26
| omg, u have to look towards my past forum posts....60-90 day deletion rule, sitting outside of alliance, allow to sit two accounts with one account, lack of strategic reason for war, 100 memeber alliance in a game with a small playing base, slow build times, serious lack of young players, the list goes on and on. this game has the bones but it needs twerking! lets hope the devs finally make some changes and encourage active play and not slacker play...slacker play is a sickness that is wide spread in this game due small parts of their structure and needs to be changed....we need more active players! make changes to encourage them to play here! make changes to military functions!!!! i mean what is raid all about and ask urselves why it is seldom used? |
Posted By: Berde
Date Posted: 21 May 2015 at 13:55
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I think you mean tweaking. Not twerking. The first is making minor adjustments. The second is Miley Cyrus shaking her thing all over the place. Illyriad does not need Miley Cyrus.
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Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 21 May 2015 at 15:44
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...well, I also know many players who came here for the quietness and slow pace. So with any new activity you'd have to make sure it stays optional (e.g. tournaments). Yes, this games could be improved at some points... but at any "tweaking" you'd have players pro and contra those changes.
I guess my point of view is totally opposite to that of twilights: the long deletion rule is fine, and many games have more than a month deletion time. And why is 100 members to much per alliance? I remember one post, where an open end to alliance recruitment was suggested... else you'll get even more wings and wings of wings and all the organisation moves out of the game into metagame platforms. The slow build and especially research time is one of the huge PLUS points of Illyriad. The unique atmosphere is created mostly for that reason, any player without patience would loose interest within the first weeks, and that is FINE. All other games are extremly competitive, but to Illyriad players come to relax and think and chat and to use war sparcely as a form of diplomacy. @ twilights: I do like "slacker" play... if you want active playstyle, why don't you just search another militant alliance and do war? Or try to attack one of the slack top 10 alliances and see what will remain of you afterwards? I guess it was suggested to you many, many times, in answer to many, many of your posts all circling around the same topic... |
Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 21 May 2015 at 15:55
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Oh, and about Elgea getting quieter... we still got the newby ring. The big alliances, which are often happy with doing slow diplomacy, often stay and are happy with the additional space, but send outposts to BL. For us nothing changed, the recent wars were lots and lots of excitement, and many still lick their wounds. Some new, medium sized and more "active" alliances (often not part of the recent fighting) moved to BL in full force without the buffer of neutral towns. That's fine, too... I'll get my armchair out to my balcony and watch the struggles with interest. Politics of that will become interesting, too...  |
Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 21 May 2015 at 16:16
| twerking is new slang which means get your behind moving...this game has seldom had many accounts online at the same time and with the amount of quit accounts perhaps the slacker why of playing turns off more players then it actually attracts.....maybe the devs need to change and meet the demands of the gamer community...the slacker way of playing is doom to fail....elgea stagnated is the forum topic...get a clue, this game needs to change....we need more active players not slacker players...lets do make changes to encourage them to play here |
Posted By: Gul'Dan
Date Posted: 21 May 2015 at 16:23
I just about died laughing at this!   ------------- 
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Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 21 May 2015 at 17:54
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I dunno, Miley's pretty hot... ------------- |
Posted By: Legoman
Date Posted: 21 May 2015 at 20:18
I have one name for you: Sofia Vergara.
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Posted By: Binky the Berserker
Date Posted: 21 May 2015 at 21:06
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broken lands didn't have any effect on elgea. It's the same game, same server and pretty much the same players. If anything, it made players who got bored with illyriad get there interest back. Players who may have moved all their towns to broken lands, but even then they still on melgean markets, trying to solve elgean mysteries... So my answer is certainly not. If there's stagnation in Elgea it certainly wasn't caused by broken lands. Stagnation wouldn't even be bad. It's definately better then a downward spiral of senseless forum filling opinions that hardly anyone cares for. |
Posted By: Thorgrim
Date Posted: 22 May 2015 at 10:40
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I voted 'Certainly Not', because in my opinion Elgaea was already dead, and the big confeds are to blame for that. Nobody in their right mind challenges one of the big teams when it means you get stomped upon by 5 or more big alliances. That is a very boring status quo. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/260239" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 22 May 2015 at 15:51
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Then you should have voted "Elgea was stagnant before TBL came along" ------------- |
Posted By: ajqtrz
Date Posted: 23 May 2015 at 01:36
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On the question of stagnation in Elgea I'm wondering how you would measure that? I'd measure that in competitiveness by those who which to compete, new cities being established by players (not counting the newb ring of course), by activities in the various hubs, and even, if I thought it a reasonable thing to be doing, by formal land claims. My sense is that there is a lot of activity in taking abandoned and soon to be abandoned cities, but does that constitute vigor? I don't really know. Finally, in comparison to the level of activity a year or so ago when I first came to this game, the activity seems to have gone down, though, to be honest, I've been in TBL for the most part of that year. In summary, overall I do think it's stagnant, but could be different if anybody wanted to risk anything and try a war or two...LOL. AJ |
Posted By: Epidemic
Date Posted: 23 May 2015 at 04:34
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The question that needs to be asked is 'When is that other game coming out?'. GM SC said long, long ago that everything is being held up by the lack of coding and that this new game, with outside help from Microsoft, will provide both games with the necessary coding needed to provide everything we've been waiting for. After that is dealt with we need to give me, Epidemic, sole mod powers to police general chat. I promise to never ban anybody for any reason, because they're only words and I can handle anything dished out, but I will siege you out of the game if you get on my nerves (provided I have a rainbow to protect me from repercussions). Huggings will be punished severely....
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Posted By: Alcie
Date Posted: 23 May 2015 at 05:08
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I didn't mark any of the options, because none of them quite fit what I think. But... If you recall broken lands came out when it did because of a surge of new players after a long downward spiral in player population and (in my opinion at least) general morale. So... I would say both Elgea and the game in general are doing better than the game was several months before broken lands came out. |
Posted By: Berde
Date Posted: 23 May 2015 at 07:29
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Except Broken Lands came out in a rush as a pale shadow of what looks to have been promised. I wasn't here for it and can only go by the blogs. Unless, of course, the long, nearly unreadable story Rikoo put up in the forums is part of the BL quest arc.. The story is just too long to read effectively while scrolling through. It's far too easy to lose one's place. Too wall-of-text. I hope it's not. I'm off the of the opinion things like that should be kept within the game itself.
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Posted By: Ander
Date Posted: 23 May 2015 at 12:39
I prefer repeat every year on fixed dates rather than new creative ones. |
Posted By: TomBombadil
Date Posted: 23 May 2015 at 13:41
Agreed, I'd rather have the same annual King of the Square tournament and a new creative tourney every 5 to 6 years, instead of only a new creative tourney every 5 to 6 years. And Elgea has always been pretty interesting.. you can't throw a rock at a trove mine without causing 26 different confederations to go to war with each other..
But I much prefer the Broken Lands.. oddly enough even with all the land claims there you can still throw lots of rocks all over the place without starting WWIII. Much more room to try new things without the enforced we-will-teach-them-our-ways-of-peace-by-force! attitude of the old world. |
Posted By: Diva
Date Posted: 23 May 2015 at 18:13
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Opinions.. meh.. will it really change anything if the Devs are not doing/ready to change anything? Opine all you want on what it should be, could be.. but we don't jump until the Devs say "Jump" and we respond with "how high?" Stagnant, active.. we're here, some for the long haul of relaxation and the pace it is. So for all the excitement, we are on our own. And some PvP is going on to relieve the heft of troops, via War of Walls, NPC Hunting Tournaments and the like. But that's a lot different than say, a Dev Tourney, (really wouldn't mind myself), some repeat of mix up of some we've had already. That usually includes ALL alliances to make a plan for it and for alliances to outweigh the other (accordingly to strength). If this was a post to be critical of the game itself, I shall not post an opinion. I'm here, you are here.. I don't think people work hard on negative forcing. Just sayin'
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Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 23 May 2015 at 18:33
| Since BL opened in response to LoU closing, I would be curious to know how many LoU players we actually retained at this point. |
Posted By: ajqtrz
Date Posted: 25 May 2015 at 22:24
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Blinky the Berserker said: "Stagnation wouldn't even be bad. It's definately better then a downward
spiral of senseless forum filling opinions that hardly anyone cares for" to which I must ask, "Does Blinky include his own "senseless forum fulling opinion" about "senseless forum filling opinions?" LOL If one want's his opinions respected it's usually best to respect the opinions of others and let them have their say...that way they will feel like your own comments are worth the reading. Respect breeds respect, don't you think? AJ |