The list above (items 3 through 18) is, for the eagle-eyed, essentially all those items that do not currently require a non-trivial gathered/harvested item to manufacture; and their values will not change in 7 Days' time. 

Currently: 

Change to: 

Change to: 

 (Note, speed penalties are doubled, it's speed increase bonuses that are remaining the same)

Example 3: Light Leather

 (Note, speed increase bonus remains the same)

This may not be a comprehensive list of changes.  We are considering introducing some further crafting components to some existing crafted weapons and armour - and will keep you posted once any decisions are made.

However, the base value change outlined above will go went into effect on Sunday 01MAR at 1800 Server Time and will immediately effect all units carrying equipped items even if they were dispatched on their missions before this time.

It may take a few minutes and/or a refresh for the crafted item stats popups to reflect these changes.

Apologies, I have added the words "non-trivial" to the description.  There's a difference between generic "Hides" vs "Puma Fur", and that's what I was trying to get at.

Regards,

SC

Shouldn't this be +80% SwoDef?

So fewer dwarves = less infantry.

Now, it could be argued that fewer people play dwarf because infantry is relatively underpowered.  I tend to disagree and say that fewer people are motivated to play dwarf because their cavalry sucks.  (This is a somewhat humano-centric viewpoint perhaps.)

Certainly these changes will make mountain-dwelling a more convenient option for dwarves, so some people might enjoy that for the role-playing benefits.

I don't necessarily disagree with the change; it might produce some interesting dynamics.  But to claim that the change is being made because "the market" has spoken is to my mind a fairly distorted interpretation of the data.

The Taomist cluster of Dwarven Lords would make a lot more sense under these new conditions.  Maybe we will see DLords return to the mountains. 

The other factor unaccounted for is the fact that swords are produced in the same building as chainmail.  This is a huge factor in how many infantry you can make since ALL infantry require chainmail to build.  This bottleneck makes nearly impossible to specialize in infantry in the same fashion that humans do with cavalry and elves do with bows.  I can't help but wonder what percentages would be if swords had their own production buildings like all the other weapons.

Spying on enemy encampments to find out what gear they have would be great.

I suggest the developers consider a specialization "amnesty":  simply reset all existing crafting buildings to non-specialized when this change goes into effect.  People who wish to continue with their previous specialization can just reset it again.  People who wish to be unspecialized or to change the specialization could change it.

This would be somewhat disruptive to people who have chosen specializations, but the time required to "re-up" the specialization seems like it would be minimal.

What do people think of this? And more importantly, would the developers be open to it?

Made worst by the fact that all the initial racial weapons are swords.  Each race has a preferred unit but only the dwarves' preferred unit can wield their racial weapon.  Why isn't the racial weapon based on a race's preferred unit?

About dwarves buff, as elf, i m kind of disappointed since we were kings of mountains now we have to share our picks with those smelly-dwarfy men 

beside jokes, i really hope this new buff will not make them OP.... we still have to remember dwarves were (and are!) the best race to fight in any forest/building, with really high %...now they will be able to attack mountains as well (and hills!) with a really good bonus. Let's test this, it's hard to say before the update goes live...anyway it goes, well done admins!

I guess it is the solution going most along roleplay, as dwarves definitly are known as slow and strong infantry, thus speeding them up by some trickery would look ... well ... silly. Finally I see myself coming out of the woods again... the lonely mountain is calling... dwarves are returning home!

everybody keeps saying that the orcs have the advantage against cavalry, but the strength of that bonus is still woeful compared to the attack strength of the other races T2 units. 

for example:  human cavalry have a 2/1 advantage over the orc T2 spear in attack vs defence. 3/1 maybe 4/1 in plains.

the elven trueshot has a 3/1 bonus over the orc guardsmen in any terrain, attack or defence. which imo is a shocking statistic. a 4/1 advantage in mountainous terrain. i lose sleep at night thinking about my hordes being hit by an elven army. the bow def on spears is just ridiculous.  

 

before, the dwarven Stalwart already had a 2/1 attack bonus against the orc guardsmen in any terrain. now in forests or buildings that advantage is going to become 3/1 in favour of the dwarves. 

can anyone pls tell me what the benefit to being an orc is anymore? 

i only felt safe placing my spears on forested or buildings squares before this update. now the spear has no domain at all.  people will say. . ahh well you can simply make more kobolds to even the odds. and its true, i could make 1,000,000 kobolds in the time it would take say an elf, to build 200,000 sentinals. but on the battlefield, when it comes to the crunch, im still going to lose. every single time!  

A shiny statue is cool and all, but tbh i would prefer to be able to give my armies a fighting chance on the field. right now and after this update, the orc guardsmen will have 50% less effectiveness than every other racial T2 unit. Att vs Def. and that's just not good enough. 

The devs have at least tried to shake the trueshot off the mountains by giving swords a 15% bonus to mountainous attack. but the trueshot with his 30% def bonus is still going to laugh at the little dorfs when they try. the only race i can truly see this update effecting is the orcs. 

and it feels unfair.          

I think the update brings them up to an equal footing with the other races.  Each race brings something to the table through the team dynamic.  Deimo brings up some good points.  However, I never see it through the eyes of a single player.  I always view things collective through the eyes of a team.  Alliances should leverage the racial strengths and try to find synergies with them during war.  

If an orc is defending alone with only spears, then you need to fire your military general.  No ONE RACE ALONE can do it all.  Each race has advantages and disadvantages.  Learn to work them together as a team and you will have a better outlook.

Stukahh

The only good is I am no more playing a lot so I can say I don't care a bit about this idiocy.

Here's an example:

In this scenario, the T1 elven cavalry gains a 20% net move speed, bringing it to 24. The orc, on the other hand, gains an astounding 40%, bringing its net speed to 23.8. For all intents and purposes, orc T1 cav runs at the same speed.

Now, it is true that elves also have the option of using the elven thoroughbred, which imparts the 15% move speed bonus versus the orcan war wolf, which only offers 10%. But in the abstract, it's hard to reconcile why light (and extra light) armors would favor the orc over the elf. 

Is it your intention to purposely negate elven speed superiority through these crafting upgrades? If so, I see no value to being an elf, other than for aesthetic purposes (we are the best-looking, after all).

I would humbly suggest adjusting racial bonuses so that elves can at least retain the only advantage they have in the game. Or, at the very least, I'd love to hear your rationale/logic for how or why a light or extra-light crafted item would favor an orc more than an elf. Many thanks!

I will happily stand corrected if that is the case, Brand, as it would assuage my concerns. But I am not convinced that is so -- I hope the devs will clarify.

For example, if you look at the elven thoroughbred modifiers, they are presented as such:

+15% move speed, -20% for dwarves, -20% for orcs, -20% for humans

In this case, racial bonuses are most definitely being applied to move speed. If this is the case with the elven thoroughbred, then why not with the light and extra light armors?

They're supposed to take effect at 1800, so we still have a few hours.

This is a +15% increase to all races speed; but a 20% drop in attack and defense for dwarves, orcs, humans

No equivalent for chain/plate, they are +5%.

this gives a large advantage to races who have attack troops that use leather... ice heart isn't hard to come by (elven trueshot, swift stead).

may need balancing? 

D

you can.

....interesting

Dwarven battle mule +90% to mountain attack

Vanguard Leather +100% to attack

Mountain spear +60% to attack

All then doubled in the elite division... 500% increase by simple sums (not sure how the engine actual calculates it...).  So a single T1 dwarven cav would have had >150 atk strength, prior to general bonuses!

We would have taught those mountain dwellers a LESSON!!!

*tells the maidens to put the mules away*

Can at least we have an option to change our races?