lawyers of illyriad
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Topic: lawyers of illyriad
Posted By: Cardoril
Subject: lawyers of illyriad
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2015 at 08:02
| To appose the illy police, and help you out of any legally binding agreements in illy from other illyrians. My profile in-game is cardoril and im one of the first illy lawyers. I can help you negotiate prices get out of contracts and look for ways around the rules the illy police have set so you don't need to worry about the police. If you haven't hired me and have no plan to pay me then i will not testify its counted as police brutality to jail you. If you agree to pay the desired amount then you will be helped to the best of my ability. BUT if you don't pay after within 2 weeks i will have you on the stand for fraud! Most of the time a lawyer might not be needed though so my prices are really cheap. 15k gold for 1 day, 100k gold for a week. You can make more than that trading a little over a dozen hides than how much it costs to pay me! So think which is better being secured from police and contracts, or being open to brutality and unfair deals. |
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Posted By: Albatross
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2015 at 15:13
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Interesting (no, really). But the need for lawyers is based on a few foundations: * There needs to be a standard of law that all parties are required to uphold as standard. I don't think we have either, except for ToS. * That lawyers are recognised, and have the authority and ability to invoke penalties, agreed terms, or other 'sentencing'. * There's an assumed acknowledgement that contracts exist, and that lawyers are qualified to deal. Best of luck; I imagine other, more pedantic players (yes, they exist) can see the pros and cons of this. -------------  |
Posted By: Dungshoveleux
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2015 at 19:09
| When I started playing, someone gave me 1m gold for simply saying hello in GC and asking a few questions. I thought it was really generous at the time, but now that I sit on a huge pile of gold after more than 1 year of playing Illyriad, I realise that it wasn't such a big deal. The point being I got "paid" without being anything except a dung shoveller! |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2015 at 01:38
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I don't see why this can't be a reasonable thing to get into. Alliances and players need negotiators. Stick to it and you might get some customers. Just saying, anything is possible in Illy. ------------- |
Posted By: Cardoril
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2015 at 04:15
| people hate me for being the lawyer and the illy police basically execute me for talking when i do...... and even when i get out of the execution they act like i didn't point is everyone in illy hates lawyers for some reason |
Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2015 at 11:48
?! I only read positive comments above.... why the outrage?  But I see a problem in enforcing anything... there are no definite rules besides the ToS, and the only force is the "police" you said you'd probably want to work around. You'd be better off when focussing more on mediation in such conflicts, than on banging to some vague rules...
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Posted By: Lotharblack
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2015 at 13:14
If you need a partner we can build a firm , as long as my name goes first  |
Posted By: Captain Kindly
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2015 at 14:04
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You are aware that the whole Illy Police thing is just GC Roleplaying, right? I can promise you nobody will come to your Castle to lock you up :) Except GM Rikoo maybe. But he's not Illy Police. He's the LAW.
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Posted By: Gragnog
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2015 at 14:12
You mean the guys with the Illy Police Force medals are not real? I have been hiding from them in GC due to my fear of the law in Illy. ------------- Kaggen is my human half |
Captain Kindly wrote:Posted By: Cardoril
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2015 at 22:42
| the "outrage" was because in gc noone really liked me the closest being was one person saying we needed to have full on war with the illy police the rest disliked me or just wanted to be criminals |
Posted By: The Unkown
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2015 at 00:21
But we don't need lawyers in ill no offence
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Posted By: Han Dynasty
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2015 at 01:40
I'm sure there are those that could use lawyers actually. How many people are charismatic, persuasive and the like? I can think of a few leaders in alliances that would benefit from having someone else do the fine writing. I can think of a few instances where in the past I would have enjoyed someone writing down a complaint and demanding repayment (tort, lol) over some minor issue like a harvesting violation. ------------- The official forum profile for Han Dynasty. |
Posted By: Solanar
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2015 at 16:02
| The problem is that Cardoril was not charismatic and persuasive. His writing was also full of mistakes. Maybe *someone* could accomplish the task of lawyer in Illy, but he is not the one. Additionally, his marketing was of the "spam" type in GC, which is the main reason for my personal dislike. |
Posted By: hrandjt
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2015 at 18:10
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Lawyers operate by understanding and interpreting the of laws which society chooses to impose on itself. Without codified laws or a structure in which these laws are enforced there really is no meaning to being a lawyer. "International relations" in Illy is instead a matter of diplomatic friction where the bounds of what players can get away with is malleable and based on their military ability to impose their will on others coupled with their diplomatic capital to ensure they have backing against any who might object to their actions. This is the realm of diplomats and negotiators, which Illy has plenty of. In my opinion there is room for third party negotiators to make things run more smoothly. I wonder though, would a newcomer be trusted in such a position and would anyone pay for such a service? I suspect that the answer to both questions is no. I think that to be trusted as a third party a person would need a certain amount of social capital, either with both parties or within the community as a whole. In my experience there are many qualifying individuals who will do it for free, and when someone is giving it away for free you're going to have a hard time selling it. Leaving all that aside I doubt there is enough conflict in Illy for someone to make real money anyway. ------------- 
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Posted By: ajqtrz
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2015 at 15:08
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Personally, while having a police force in Illy might be a bit more than difficult, it could be done if the members decided they needed one and trusted anybody enough to support them when some policing needed doing. But that's probably the basis for wars and maybe it just couldn't work without further understanding. Along the "further understanding" would be an Illy Constitution, Illy Legislative Council, Illy Judicial Branch and so on. In other words, to have an Illy police you have to have an Illy Government...which we don't have. Alas, there is a need for Illy Counselors, or at least something like somebody to stand between the opposing parties facilitating their communication so that they don't go starting needless trouble. The key to something like that is to have a group of players in some kind of alliance that doesn't go to war and is considered "sacrosanct" in that it is trusted by all to be the impartial arbiter of disputes and is left alone. If done right it might be helpful. Finally, I think we all know that the Illy Police are a fun group (except Fiona, who is always soooo serious!) and nobody really thinks they have the power to do anything but have fun. Ditto, I think, for the lawyer who has so generously offered his services....LOL. AJ |