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12NOV14 - Gold Exploit Closed

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Topic: 12NOV14 - Gold Exploit Closed
Posted By: GM Rikoo
Subject: 12NOV14 - Gold Exploit Closed
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 03:26
Hi everyone,

We've just permabanned a number of players for a particularly egregious gold / market exploit.

We have never previously shared details about exploits, but we feel this one is exceptional in the relative size and scope, and will have had (and will probably continue to have until equilibrium is reached) an impact on market pricing, especially of prestige scrolls.  

Whilst we're not going to name names, we also feel the particular names involved will become quite conspicuous by their absence, especially amongst traders ingame.  

So, in this instance we feel it is appropriate to let everyone know roughly what happened and what we've done; if only in a (doubtless somewhat hopeful) attempt to stop the pitchforks being pointed in all directions, as well as to provide an explanation for what will possibly be an unexpected adjustment in the Illyriad market economy.  

We don't expect any adjustment to be major - but having said that, we have just removed a little over 11.5% of the current gold supply (closest to M0/MB in economist's terms) and as such we expect that such "quantitative tightening" will have an impact (even though that money was mostly "created via exploit" only very recently).

We'll attempt to explain.

How did you discover the exploit?

We were preparing a (hopefully) informative post about the scale and growth in the Illyriad economy over the last 4 years, and were also interested in how the daily economy had changed since the introduction of Prestige Scrolls (yes, we do record everything) - and we were looking at the net Gold flow balance in the active player economy.

The net Gold flow balance is the balance between:
  1. the gold being generated (predominantly via tax receipts from your towns, but also from other sources such as NPC drops), and

  2. the gold being consumed (predominantly via unit upkeep, but also trade taxation, sovereignty costs etc)
When we looked at the report, however, we were a bit stunned to see a huge jump in the net Gold flow balance starting on the 18th of October.
The jump was from +64 million gold per hour to +177 million gold per hour... overnight.  And it didn't go back down the next day, or the day after, or... etc.  

After looking for a few obvious culprits (eg "was there a massive destruction of troops in an alliance-wide military engagement?" etc), we ended up with a blank, and so began eliminating other possibilities one-by-one.  

At the very bottom of our pile was tax rate (how could that, even across the entire playerbase, nearly triple the gold flow overnight!)

Imagine our surprise when we discovered a single town, with:
  1. a population of a handful (<50) people, 

  2. a tax rate of more than 99,000,000% (yes, ninety-nine million percent), and

  3. a gold income rate of 100s of millions of Gold per hour for this town
How is this possible?

Not without a deliberate exploit, I'm afraid to say.

What the player did was:
  1. Build up a tiny town with some farmyards, a marketplace, and then create a caravan or two, then

  2. ... go into the code behind the Castle Taxation page and "forge" a post to the server asking to change the tax rate to 99 million%, but...

  3. ... the server doesn't question the amount of change in tax rate, because...

  4. ...the town then plunges into massive deficit on everything (eg in this case negative 448 million food per hour), which should cripple it... however...

  5. ... this doesn't matter.  It's still minting gold, and - whilst everything has been levelled down - we don't level down farmyards so that people who make a mistake on food have a chance to recover, but...

  6. ... farmyards do provide a small population, and whilst this was a small population... 99 million percent taxation provides a ton of gold per hour, and... 

  7. ... caravans don't cost food upkeep, so we don't destroy them, so...

  8. ... every couple of days the player would go to this city and have a lot of free gold that they could cram into a single caravan and send out.
It simply didn't matter that the town was empty except for a couple of dozen people working on farmyards.

How was the exploit closed?

Taxes can now only be set to between 0 and 100%, and we're going to look at other safeguards (eg, we're examining the destruction of towns after a period of time if they have nothing but farmyards and zero storage and negative production, as well as further summaries and internal alerts when some previously un-monitored things go out of expected parameters).

How much money was generated and what happened to it?

Well, luckily we can tell exactly.

The town that was performing the exploit was a member of two fairly prominent alliances (the exploiter had switched recently), and so had not been thieved from.  So the only transfer for that town was via direct dispatch.

Tracing the gold outbound from this town, as well as prestige scrolls inbound and outbound from related exploiter account cities, most of the flow was to a different trading town closer to Centrum for market access.

The majority of gold transferred was since the 18th of October, however we can see, by trawling through the logs, a number of earlier transactions of many billions, distributed to players in the alliance, dating back to August and September of this year.    

We believe that the player ran the exploit back in August but stopped and reset his tax rate (possibly for fear of discovery); restarted once in September, and then permanently ran the exploit from the 18th of October onwards - once there was a clear reason for large-scale gold fraud (ie Prestige Scrolls).

The total amount drawn and distributed from this exploit was:

91,157,150,000 (91.1 Billion) Gold

What's going to happen to these players?

Well, we've permabanned 9 directly involved accounts and their alts.  

Three of these are accounts we can prove were run directly by the exploiter. 

Of the other six accounts, each received between 2 and 6.4 Billion in payments from the exploiter, most directly delivered in tranches of at least 1.5B and as much as 2.1B Gold, and delivered *whilst* the exploiter was still under rainbow of new player protection.  All the other six accounts received the bulk of their free cash in the month of August.

These 9 account closures have removed a total of:
123,507,773,792 (123.5 Billion) gold from the game, representing not only the gold in their inventories, but also the current market value of more than 340 Prestige Scrolls found in their inventories and with their traders, bought with the proceeds.

This figure removed is higher than the amount drawn and distributed because:
  1. there was substantial gold waiting to be distributed when we shut the exploit down, and
  2. the 9 accounts were also involved in legitimate money-making activities within their alliances.
What about the other players and the alliance(s) these players were in?

Many of you may have worked out who the players involved probably are, perhaps by their willingness to pay over the odds (for eg prestige scrolls), and some of you may have done business with this player. You'll be glad to know that we hold you blameless; and we believe that you acted in good faith.  As we investigated the exploiting account, we noted (very happily) that many of you expressed substantial surprise that a player less than 3 months old could actually drop half a Billion on prestige scrolls.

We would repeat that we do not wish this thread to become a blame game where people make suppositions or accusations about who knew what and when, or cast aspersions on other players or alliances. 

We believe we have performed an in-depth investigation into this exploit and those involved in it, and that we have lanced the immediate boil.  

We have not yet, however, finished our investigation, and so would urge anyone who received unexpectedly large (hundreds of millions, if not Billions of gold) payments from a less-than-three-month-old player to" rel="nofollow - get in touch with GM Rikoo via igm - or to" rel="nofollow - open a petition with as much of an explanation as possible.  We'll be much more charitable if we hear from you first, rather than you hearing from us.

How did you devs not notice this earlier?! 91 billion is a lot of gold!

Well, whilst we record everything, we really don't monitor everything.  

The figure that tipped us off to the exploit was the delta on the hourly gold production value - everything else was pretty much within expected market parameters.

It may shock some of you to know that whilst 91 Billion seems like a lot of money, there's actually more than 800 Billion Gold in Gold pieces alone (ie what economists would define as M0 or MB)  sloshing around inside the active player Illyriad economy.  The total size of the Illyriad economy is many, many Trillions, and when we get this report written up we'll happily share the details with you all.

How is ending this exploit going to effect the market?

We wouldn't want to speculate too far - we'd expect a demand reduction (particularly on prestige scrolls) due to the cartel's willingness to pay over the odds and to warehouse them; although it should be said that most of their transactions were direct player-to-player sales rather than trade hub orders.

Thank you for your time.

GM Rikoo

EDIT: A further 4 accounts were banned overnight, bringing the total so far to 13.

Illyriad Community Manager / Public Relations /

Posted By: GM Stormcrow
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 03:53
Thanks, Rikoo.

I'd just like to reiterate... to make it crystal clear, and highlighted in double bold capital letters, that we do not believe that either of the two alliances that this exploiting player was a member of had direct knowledge of this exploit.



Posted By: Consul Zynot
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 04:09
Aww well Devs  why dont you guys be fine folks  and give me that  123 Billion gold !

Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 04:13
Hats off to the exploiters for getting away with it while they did but bigger hats off to the Devs for uncovering and removing it, good job.

Posted By: Zarhunt
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 04:18
I know I have criticised the devs a fair bit lately but I would like to thank and applaud them for posting a clear explanation of their judicial findings and subsequent actions. I truly hope it spreads.

May we meet on an abstract plain one day

Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 04:22
It does make me wonder how many other places have parameters checked only by the UI and not the server. Could be a Pandora's Box of exploit attempts.

Posted By: GM Stormcrow
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 04:55
Originally posted by Brandmeister Brandmeister wrote:

It does make me wonder how many other places have parameters checked only by the UI and not the server. Could be a Pandora's Box of exploit attempts.
There are actually very few interface input points in the game, and they're all pretty tight as far as we can tell at both the UI and the server end.

Most all the really important ones have been poked and prodded at before by players - we do log these attempts by the way, and we don't look at the "out of bounds" and "malformed" etc requests very favourably...

However, we're not complacent about this, and will be reviewing *all* the server input validations again over the coming days and weeks.



Posted By: SimplyDivine
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 07:45
Until recently, I had been quite active in the Marketplace, and had worked steadily to improve my Trade ranking, however, I had noticed the meteoric rise of some players in those rankings and was a bit startled/dismayed. My question is: how will the Trade rankings be impacted as a result of the perma-bans of those 9 players involved? Will their rankings be allowed to stand as a result of their misdeeds?

I, too, have been critical of the devs of late, and I wish to publicly applaud them for the time and effort they have expended in tracking down and ending this type of nefarious behavior. To the cheaters, I in virtual life, so in real life. If you are willing to lie, cheat and steal your way through an online game, then I pity your friends and business associates for the havoc you are clearly capable of bringing to them. Just keep in mind one thing, though, what goes around, comes around, and don't be surprised when karma pays you a little visit.

Posted By: Epidemic
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 08:33
Congrats on finding some cheaters!

During these tumultuous times I am willing to temporarily come back and dominate trade for the sake of stabilizing it. Just accept my buy offers for prestige tomes and i'll take care of the rest...Big smile

Posted By: OrcDork
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 08:38
As a new player to MMO's (Illyriad is my 1st and only), it is comforting to know that the devs are able to deal with such acts. It is also an eye-opener as to what people are capable of, even in an online game. Sad to witness but a good end result.

Posted By: Jejune
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 10:06
Wow -- amazing! Great sleuth work on investigating and finding the culprits/cheaters! Also, good stuff from Rikoo on laying out the whole case. To me, this actually makes for a very interesting read!

I don't think that this is a "negative PR" story for the game -- quite the opposite. I would encourage the devs to send the link to this forum post to the MMO News sources online. I think they'd cover it, and it could bring in some new players.

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Posted By: The Duke
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 15:17
Originally posted by Zarhunt Zarhunt wrote:

I know I have criticised the devs a fair bit lately but I would like to thank and applaud them for posting a clear explanation of their judicial findings and subsequent actions. I truly hope it spreads.
Couldnt have said this any better, hats off to our dev team and thanks for monitoring the game to make it an even playing field for one and all

"Our generation has had no Great Depression, no Great War. Our war is spiritual. Our depression is our lives."

Posted By: Osu
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 15:34
Yes - well done devs - keep up the good work.

Posted By: Albatross
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 17:34
I tend to prod the outer limits of parameters, mainly to help close up any exploits that other alliances might be using, to upset the balance of the game.

So, a note to any exploiters out there: every action in this game is logged, and the devs are good at forensics (you have to be, if you maintain a persistent game :o)


Posted By: Corwin
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 20:51
Wow! Glad to hear cheating doesn't pay off. 

Posted By: GM Stormcrow
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 22:15
Originally posted by SimplyDivine SimplyDivine wrote:

My question is: how will the Trade rankings be impacted as a result of the perma-bans of those 9 players involved? Will their rankings be allowed to stand as a result of their misdeeds?
That's a good point, and I agree that those permabanned should have their scores zeroed.



EDIT: Done, for trade score.

Posted By: Bimoda
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 22:24
It has always struck me as unbelievable that a person could be smart enough to figure out an exploit like that AND dumb enough to over use it in a way that would be so blatant.  I mean really? 99,000,000%?    If they hadn't been that greedy, it is something that likely would never have gotten caught.  Don't get me wrong, cheating like that to any degree is wrong, but I just can't understand the thinking.

Bimoda - Dragon Fairy: Illyria Fairy Nation [FAIRY]

Posted By: Bimoda
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 22:27
Was the other exploit where cities were getting captured in a matter of hours with virtually 0 pop loss done the same way? By a user sending a call to the server that basically made it think the city was ready to capture/raze?

Bimoda - Dragon Fairy: Illyria Fairy Nation [FAIRY]

Posted By: Titanicbuff
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 01:48
So- for those exploited whats going to happen?

Posted By: Veneke
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 02:33
Originally posted by Bimoda Bimoda wrote:

It has always struck me as unbelievable that a person could be smart enough to figure out an exploit like that AND dumb enough to over use it in a way that would be so blatant.  I mean really? 99,000,000%?    If they hadn't been that greedy, it is something that likely would never have gotten caught.  Don't get me wrong, cheating like that to any degree is wrong, but I just can't understand the thinking.

It's possible, I suppose, that this was intentional. That large a percentage couldn't be missed if the devs were monitoring it. So running that high gold/day exploit (it's a hack more than an exploit really, if I read the OP right) would all but guarantee a dev response. At that point, according to the information above anyway, they weren't shipping gold anywhere. So they could probably reasonably assume that their main accounts were safe. If they were caught then, then it would just be that newbie account which would be lost - no big deal.

Even if that's right though, and I've no idea if it is or not, their mistake was in running the same high percentage tax consistently (honestly, running it consistently was a bad idea too). As you said, if this had been thought through they would have lowered the percentage to avoid detection - and if they were smarter again that initial account would have been abandoned after it had tested the waters.

However, you've got to consider the fact that these lads almost certainly didn't know the gold balance. For all they knew, a hundred million extra a day wasn't a huge amount.


Fair play though to the devs for catching these folk, and the detailed analysis is much appreciated - and reassuring.

"May have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one." - Captain Malcolm Reynolds

Posted By: Dragonwort
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 10:11
A Fantastic job well done!! AND kudos to the GM for sharing the details.....Although as Veneke wrote...the discovery and subsequent permabans could have been part of the original plot....leaving the player(s) really responsible in the clear.

But it does prove how quickly the Illy Games crew can move on something when properly motivated. (Illyriad Games Ltd. losing prestige sales)

If only the perma-sits were losing them money by the pound...Wink

Just another wrench in the works..

Posted By: Mayflower
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2014 at 12:38
After reading everything I think the devs have handled this well! Awesome job devs! :))))

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Posted By: GM Rikoo
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2014 at 21:57
And with that, we have came to the end of this discussion. When some of the former players are literally threatening to take action by spamming us (and who knows what else) until they are reinstated, (I know, the irony is amazing) it's time to shut down the conversation.

If you have questions about policy from now on, IGM me. Any other topic openings or attempts to discuss this out-of-bounds will be shut down.

GM Rikoo

Illyriad Community Manager / Public Relations /

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