Han standing against Roman Hatred
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Category: The World
Forum Name: Politics & Diplomacy
Forum Description: If you run an alliance on Elgea, here's where you should make your intentions public.
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Topic: Han standing against Roman Hatred
Posted By: Han Dynasty
Subject: Han standing against Roman Hatred
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 17:51
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Roman Empire has declared war onto the BL oriented Han Dynasty. This declaration was made at 15:41 Server time on the 11th of October. Han officials quickly established contact with Roman Empire's Zynot to determine why the Romans were to go to war against Han. Zynot was quick to reply with racist remarks towards the Chinese as well as stating that Han Dynasty is harboring Romans. Roman Empire has exhibited extreme dislike for Flavius Aetius, a peasant in Han Dynasty. Flavius Aetius has reported in since his time within Han Dynasty of repeated occurrences of thievery. He grew so annoyed by the attacks that he forwarded a thief report to the then Empress of Roman Empire, Queen Elve. She responded by cursing at him and threatening him with a siege. He sent her an emote, to which she sent an attack of three thousand marshals and a siege attack. We believed that the attacks came from RE though we did not have evidence and we asked Flavius Aetius to to not respond to anymore messages. We communicated this to Augustus Zynot and he agreed that attacks would stop yet it seems he has changed his mind. Flavius Aetius has already paid for his crimes against Roman Empire, and they still continue to attack him. Now, they have taken their vengeance so far to the point of going to war against a small upstart alliance for simply having Flavius in the ranks. The Han stands firm despite facing this war. We are united against your hatred. Edit: Roman Empire has demanded that Han removes this post or there will not be peace between the two parties.
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Posted By: Consul Zynot
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 18:55
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RE said the declaration of war was a joke just like the T-O one and Aesir one, HAN has quickly come to the forums to spread BS you have made a joke from us into a serious matter, As for flavius aetius it is well know he is cancer to any alliance he joins , He mailed QE accusing her of thieving him. 1) There is no prove it is from RE- 2) The report showed that the blight killed plunderers and only orcs have those diplomats- QE replied telling flavius not to mail her again or she WILL siege him flavius mailed her again, He was asking for it and he recieved it. I asked HAN to bring down this post down because it will make things complicated i nicely asked you to bring down the post and i will offer the peace, YOU Reacted by Editing your post
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Posted By: Consul Zynot
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:03
| I offered peace for 5 Min it was never accepted- We said in gc several times it was a joke. RE does not declare war on small alliances to raze it even one with flavius..................... Now HAN emperor grow up accept the peace offer which i sent and stop making a big deal out if it |
Posted By: Gemley
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:13
He likely has not seen it yet, also talking in an offensive manner does nothing to help the situation. I hope both of you can resolve this quickly before more insults are thrown over the forums. ------------- �I do not love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the arrow for it's swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend� - J.R.R. Tolkien |
Consul Zynot wrote:Posted By: Consul Zynot
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:16
He did not see it `` Pretty sure he did because i mailed him informing him that i offered peace.
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Posted By: Glin
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:19
| Maturity in leading alliances is really a big thing. lol. |
Posted By: Jejune
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:19
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For future reference: I would humbly suggest that, as a gaming community, we use war declarations seriously, sparingly, and never as a joke. The game mechanics make it easy to push that button, but it opens up pandora's box when you do -- regardless of your motives. ------------- https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/394156" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Jane DarkMagic
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:19
| I think a "joke" declaration against an alliance you aren't super close to is always a bad idea. Especially given Roman Empire already had tension with Han due to Flavius' membership, I don't know what they were thinking when they declared. Doesn't seem particularly funny or in good taste, if it was actually a joke. |
Posted By: Gemley
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:23
I do not believe this has ever been done before, or at least I can not remember a time when it was. One would think this event will help RE realize there is a reason why using war declarations as jokes is not common. Besides there are much wittier ways to joke then to resort to war declarations. ------------- �I do not love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the arrow for it's swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend� - J.R.R. Tolkien |
Posted By: Consul Zynot
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:24
Queen Elve declared war on several alliances for laughs and giggles, Peace was quickly made we still have 2 showing in diplomatic page which we will leave their since that alliance leaders wants it to remain that way. Yes we dont like flavius i spoke with HAN prime minister about him. It was funny at first people involved in gc has several good laughs about it.
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Posted By: Epidemic
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:30
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Do not trust RE! They declared war on Siege April 1, 2014. After quickly realizing they were facing a superior force they sued for peace, at which time I set terms. (They were to call me King Epi whenever they saw me in gc). They accepted and peace reigned. However they reneged on the deal shortly afterwards, because they never once called me King Epi! |
Posted By: Consul Zynot
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:31
Lol
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Posted By: Glin
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:33
actually not all. some were mailing each other and wondering if they should ally with han to teach RE a lesson about being so hoity toity
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Posted By: Consul Zynot
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:35
Are you sure because all knew it was a joke was you even in gc at the time? Dont think so
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Posted By: Han Dynasty
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:40
None of the Han Dynasty leadership has received notification that this is satirical. Our officers came online to a notification of war with the Roman Empire. It is not unreasonable for one to assume that a declaration of war is actually a declaration of war, especially given our recent history. Who you do or do not declare war on is not of our concern, we don't follow RE's actions beyond what is directly relevant to us. Flavius Aetius is our concern, not yours. He is a member of The Han Dynasty and we will deal with him, we have discussed this matter with him and our Prime Minister has informed of you that. He believed that the thievery was ordered by The Roman Empire, it needn't have been committed by Queen Elve herself. Queen Elve, I believe, fell under suspicion for being involved due to her send a harassing IGM to Flavius shortly after he switched over to Han from Silverlight. It is understandable that he thought that QE was behind it either directly or indirectly. It stands now as a false accusation. We've discussed this Flavius and we believe he understands. RE should have brought the issue up with Han leadership but rushed to attack us instead and we had to damage control instead of damage prevention. The Han Dynasty does not and will not respond to threats and insults and to our knowledge, that is all RE has offered to us. We may be a small alliance, but we will not give into your demands, especially since we have done nothing to you. ------------- The official forum profile for Han Dynasty. |
Posted By: Glin
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:40
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lol, there were lots of people in GC. |
Posted By: Glin
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:42
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Ha ha RE just got told
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Posted By: Consul Zynot
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:42
Wait how did this become all about flavius out of no where? Fine you wont accept peace soon i will make you accept peace not bullying but YOU are making it official when we said it was a joke and offered peace. All of this flavius naming makes me suspicious.
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Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 19:52
*Brandmeister declares war on mCrow. Your surrender terms are a million jillion beer, and some salts for my bath. Air, water, or Epsom. No fire or earth this time! Turns out the hot mud bath was only a good idea on paper. |
Posted By: Angrim
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 20:18
/me maintains a straight face throughout this comment. |
Posted By: Han Dynasty
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 20:39
Zynot has sent a short IGM to the Emperor, yet no peace was found within, only more insults. You could have easily withdrawn your declaration of war without insults, since it is, as you say, just a gag. But we do not expect that from you at this point as we do not believe your story that this is a simple joke that fell flat. Our member, Corwin, is now being attacked by Blaxx Stoneaxx. The army was sent 7 minutes before Zynots post about forcing us into peace. The Han Dynasty will not respond to threats. We may not be as strong as The Roman Empire, but we will defend ourselves to the best of our abilities. ------------- The official forum profile for Han Dynasty. |
Posted By: Consul Zynot
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 20:41
Your player is attacking one of your isolated newbies therefore i asked blaxx to attack your biggest player because we wont siege your newbies in Elgea.
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Posted By: Corwin
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 20:52
I know you're not saying I am, but in case anyone thinks so: I'm not attacking anyone. And as far as I know none of us is, but if you say so... I just wouldn't like it if people think I'm attacking newbies.
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Posted By: Consul Zynot
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 20:54
[11 Oct 19:32]<Jax> sumbody is attacking me  [11 Oct 19:32]<Jax> in 4days what d i do? [11 Oct 19:36]<Jax> does anyone hav a spare army, i dt hav anything [11 Oct 19:37]<   Augustus Zynot> who is attacking you[11 Oct 19:37]<Jax> som guy from the han dynasty
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Posted By: Glin
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 21:07
| Isnt posting from private mail and ac onto forums a perma ban offense? |
Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 21:19
| IGM, yes. AC, apparently not. I couldn't find it in the CoC anyway. |
Posted By: Han Dynasty
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 21:44
Adrian launched an unsanctioned attack onto Jax of Roman Empire. However, based on the information provided in an igm by RE, the attack itself originated after the declaration of war. Therefore, that is a defensive attack. Han Dynasty has been open to peace since the opening of this thread. Instead, we have received threats of war and countless insults. Augustus Zynot, if you truly want peace between our two parties then you must show it. ------------- The official forum profile for Han Dynasty. |
Posted By: Consul Zynot
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 21:51
| Iam showing i want peace by actually offering peace without terms lol? You know well i can start razing HAN towns without much problem if i wanted 2 me not doing that shows the war was actually not real so yeah. |
Posted By: Janders
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 22:17
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*moves to declare war on self* *self considers if this is a joke* *prior to punchline, defensive attacking armies arrive to siege* *self shakes fist at me, launches nuclear weapons* *myself is relieved, as nuclear weapons don't exist in this game, and obviously this is satire* *me's town of self is devastated by an army of 30,000 stalwarts launched by self* *I ask myself if this is a joke or not?* *my ALT declares war on all crows, and rapidly abandons his account* Alliance mates re-apply my straight jacket, lock me back in AC.
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Posted By: Consul Zynot
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 22:28
| LOl HAN want RE to accept terms- Not happening we attempted white peace because it was a joke now the war will be real. Newbies wont be targetted (most of han is newb) so their leadership will be targets pretty much |
Posted By: GM Rikoo
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 23:02
Understand that rules, at any time, can be changed, altered, switched, finagled, cropped, edited or tweaked as we see fit. We can also find something that is not normally covered by the rules as breaking the rules. Posting AC chatter is not, technically, against the rules. But, of course, this depends on what you are posting. So far I don't see much other than the usual war-banter, so for now there is not much to correct. IF you or anyone else reading this (not picking on you, Brand) wants to report a particular passage, please do so. Sorry for the interruption, feel free to continue down this path to BLOODY WAR!! GM Rikoo ------------- Illyriad Community Manager / Public Relations / community@illyriad.co.uk |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2014 at 23:32
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Posted By: Aral
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 00:50
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This is quite possibly the stupidest reason for conflict I have ever seen arise in my history in Illyriad, and I can still remember why ~NC~ declared war on BANE. Edit: ~NC~, not ~NS~ (With apologies to Myr) ------------- Aral Llc is not responsible for any grievous bodily harm sustained while reading this signature. No rights reserved. |
Posted By: Ellieh
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 01:20
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It appears more than clear to me (and hopefully to the rest of us) that this declaration of war was never intended as a joke, and that RE is simply calling it a joke because Han has made this public in order to protect themselves, as they have a right to do. RE calling it a joke now instead of owning up to their actions and thinking anyone will believe it is the humorous part. For RE to still be following Flavius around and now not only attacking him, but attacking a new alliance over what he did, shows immaturity in my opinion on the part of RE leadership. |
Posted By: Myr
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 03:05
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Mediation on this topic has begun between the two parties. I respectfully request members of both HAN and RE to cease posting in this forum to allow the process a chance to work without further inflammation.
Edit: Arol, Night Squires has NEVER declared war on Bane.
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Posted By: Aurordan
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 09:33
And here we go, displaying as always the level headed decision making that has won RE so much respect on the global stage. Seriously, cut it out guys. Your "joke"(How was this supposed to be funny, exactly?) fell flat. Just cut the crap and settle this as quickly and privately as you still can. I don't know what kind of "attack" you allege they sent at you, but if Corwin wasn't involved, It certainly wasn't anything worth talking about.
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Posted By: Luciferous
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 12:16
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I don't see where the "joke" part of declaring war is ... it happens with CONFED alliances when doing some kind of tournaments, it happens with training alliances also when doing tournaments or preparing new players on siege mechanics and how to react in case of war .... but just like that ? Not very funny, add to that that HAN is a newb alliance and I don't think they have any relation with RE .... apparently the only relation is Flavius who is the haunted party by RE since day 1 on Illy. However, HAN posting this on forum is just like a chain reaction .... keep the diplomacy behind the scenes, its always better and communicate this problem with alliances you have NAPS or CONFED with, you will definetly settle this with no need for hostility or give and take .... This now is like a chain reaction going from post to post and in the end turning everyone taking sides with one party and then everyone goes out against everyone. Please guys, settle this diplomatically .... HAN just accept the joke thing .... RE ... just don't joke around by declaring war on alliances you have no relationship with .... especially an alliance having a player known throughout Illyriad being the haunted of RE .... I hope this misunderstanding settles peacefully, there is no need for war right now .... just settled down guys. Lord Julien ------------- --As ye sow shall ye reap-- |
Posted By: Gragnog
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 12:31
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Well, I guess it is time for my 2 cents again. This is a conflict between 2 alliances. They have their own confeds and diplomatic ties. Let them get on with it and let them have their fun. Why do so many of you people in this community always jump to halt anything that has nothing to do with you? The discussion started off well between the 2 alliances and then the rest of you jumped in and it seems the poor alliances involved have been bullied into accepting anything you propose now. The Han have a very powerful confed with T-O and thus do not need the rest of us acting like policemen and trying to get involved. RE probably also have their own allies. If it gets out of hand they will probably come up with a solution anyway. ------------- Kaggen is my human half |
Posted By: Angrim
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 13:12
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Posted By: Corwin
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 13:18
We have confed with T-O? Since when?
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Posted By: Jejune
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 13:52
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Ellieh is right that RE and HAN can prosecute this "war" in whatever means they'd like. That being said, it seems that there is a consensus here that the war declarations between alliances -- particularly ones who historically do not like one another -- should be serious and not a joke, for the sake of the quality of the game. Kids, let's not reduce Illyriad to a Facebook flame war with catapults. Let's suspend disbelief a little and play it with a bit more gravitas. ------------- https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/394156" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Pellinell
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 19:32
Actually I didn't know Han existed until yesterday. TO is 100% neutral in this.
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Posted By: Binky the Berserker
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 21:03
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Posted By: demdigs
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 21:29
| I have an announcement to make DDUGS=Demdigs, and roads has nothing to do with any statements i make :) Have a nice day everyone :) |
Posted By: Han Dynasty
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 23:21
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Edited as a sign of peace for Roman Empire. ------------- The official forum profile for Han Dynasty. |
Posted By: Angrim
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 23:33
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Posted By: Han Dynasty
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 23:38
We interpreted GM Rikoo's post here
...that it is prohibited to post in game messages between parties on the forums. He ruled that the posting of chat-room material onto the forums is not prohibited. ------------- The official forum profile for Han Dynasty. |
Posted By: Angrim
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 23:45
...is not nearly the same as a blanket statement that chatroom conversations are permissible posts. yours is an aggressive interpretation. |
Posted By: Myr
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 01:07
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EDITED because original post was removed. I have had long conversations with both sides and gotten input from people who were in GC that day and alliance leaders who had a fake war declaration on them that day from RE. I put a lot of time into sorting the facts and I found fault on both sides of this situation. There is an apology posted in another thread from Zynot, a peace offer has been made and I would hope this is the end of it. I would like to add that many of you who responded on this thread jumped to conclusions. This is why the forums are so dangerous and I stay out of them as much as I can now. If you want to fan flames and get into a war this is the place to go.
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Posted By: demdigs
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 02:05
| GM Rikoo, could you please lock this thread. Thank you very much |
Posted By: Han Dynasty
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 02:08
Seconded ------------- The official forum profile for Han Dynasty. |
Posted By: Taron
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 08:45
No we meant it!  lol hahaha... Wait so Aesir declared war? Must've been a fast war. Who won?------------- I am Responsible for what I say. I Am not responsible for what you understand. |
Posted By: Ficho
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 09:08
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History repeats itself. Older players will know what I mean. ------------- “Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must live.” Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: hrandjt
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 10:46
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Posted By: Jejune
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 12:15
...and Thordor has to pay Eternal Fire 980 prestige. ------------- https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/394156" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: GM Rikoo
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 13:27
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I will not lock a thread simply because it has become slightly heated. I AM reading over this thread, though, and anyone who has been actively trying to derail the original topic could face banishment (a silence, essentially) from these forums. But, because I have so many posts to read sometimes, simply SEND ME AN IGM OR DIRECT MESSAGE with the copied/pasted text and information about where it was said, when, etc, and I will look into any offending posts. GM Rikoo ------------- Illyriad Community Manager / Public Relations / community@illyriad.co.uk |
Posted By: GM Rikoo
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 13:32
I did not say that. What I said is that posting AC messages is not *technically* against the rules, but that it depends on what is being said. That means that, like many rules, it is a gray area and I reserve the right to adapt those rules to situations as I see fit. In this case I did not see anything that was on what we'd call the bad side, but once again if people have an issue with what was said they need to SEND ME A MESSAGE HERE OR IN GAME WITH THE OFFENDING TEXT. I cannot read minds and I am not familiar with every alliance's inner drama. :) Thanks! GM Rikoo ------------- Illyriad Community Manager / Public Relations / community@illyriad.co.uk |
Posted By: Gragnog
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 17:01
Please accept my appolgy. One of the reasons people generally ignore me. I was looking at the wrong alliance profiles. ------------- Kaggen is my human half |
Posted By: jtk310
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2014 at 19:26
| Why are there 4 separate forum topics about this war that I missed completely by being offline for a day? Couldn't such a short and silly thing be discussed in one thread? Well done to all involved on a speedy resolution to this strange turn of events. |