Do you think it is posible to..
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Topic: Do you think it is posible to..
Posted By: Yhina
Subject: Do you think it is posible to..
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2014 at 20:13
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Just in case, these 200 diplo groups would be from the same town, all of the same unit type, and the max time stamp diference between the 1st and the 200th, less than 2 minutes. ( so all of them would land within 2 minutes). If anyone goes for the yes, please, some futher feedback would be apreciated. Thanks :) |
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Posted By: Legoman
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2014 at 20:32
| Only if they were using a script. |
Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2014 at 20:52
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Hm,... backing up my opinion is difficult, but with a wise use of return and enter button and a refined routine in clicking return to previous page, click entry, type 1, click send, click return...
...I think 100 per minute might be pretty much the limit, but I think it's achievable without a script. About 1.7 per second...
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Posted By: Cilcain
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2014 at 21:05
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Using something like iMacros it might be possible. A lot would depend on the response time of the browser/site. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/77750" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2014 at 21:22
| I've sent out a bunch of tightly clustered diplos before. But it's murder on your carpal tunnel syndrome. 200 is a lot. I don't know if I could do it within 120 seconds, but it wouldn't be much over that if I were really pushing it. |
Posted By: Binky the Berserker
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2014 at 21:47
| why on earth would anyone want to? just send more units per mission, they have better chance of succes. |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2014 at 21:58
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Not true Binky, multiple spam of single or 2 diplo units is sometimes (well often) more effective than sending large groups. You end up losing fewer units overall on average and have an almost guarantee of success if you send enough. As to whether it's possible to send that many in 2 minutes, I wouldn't want to say that it is absolutely impossible. You could have the url on a savestring and keep pasting it into the browser then hitting send, back, send, back, send or reload return. Your internet connection would have to be substantially faster than mine. I will say that probably _I_ couldn't do it, but other people are far more adept at this stuff than I am. Edited to clarify that I didn't vote because honestly I don't know.
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Posted By: ubluntu
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2014 at 22:28
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After a few tests, I had a hard time getting much over 30 per minute with the following steps. 1. Click into "# to send" box to get keyboard focus there. 2. Press 1 on the Number Pad. 3. Press Enter on the Number Pad. 4. Back button on mouse. (Repeat) I could have(and did try) to press those buttons faster, but the page load speed was the limiting factor. Im on a fast computer(6 Core, 8GB RAM) connected with a relatively fast connection (8MB up/1MB down) and using Google Chrome version 30.0.1599.101. It is possible that someone geographically closer to the server could get faster page load times, but I would still consider it improbable. If anyone is using a script to send diplomats, it would violate http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/rules-regarding-third-party-tools_topic756_post5531.html#5531" rel="nofollow - Illyriad's rules regarding 3rd party tools , I pasted #3 below as its the relevant one here.
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Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2014 at 22:59
| Don't use back. Click on the city name in the diplomatic Movements and Send Diplomats right from there. If you do it right, the link you click is right on level with the box for sending your specific diplo type. |
Posted By: Cilcain
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2014 at 23:05
Obviously, I was being hypothetical.......  ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/77750" rel="nofollow"> |
Cilcain wrote:Posted By: Epidemic
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 00:19
| One of the browsers, either Chrome or Opera has built-in script that could accomplish this. |
Posted By: Ander
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 05:15
| Perhaps multiple open tabs with "1" already entered in the send column. "ctrl+tab" and "click on send button" repeat? |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 05:22
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I was thinking of that as a possibility, but 200 tabs? It would take a really long time to set up. And why would anyone do that? I can't think of an application that requires that many diplos to land in such a tight window. Even if it were somewhat time sensitive like an assassination before a city could fall or scouting a siege camp when it landed, doesn't seem like it would matter if it were 2 minutes or 5 minutes. If someone can think of a reason such tightly spaced diplos would be needed, I'm interested to hear.
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Posted By: Ander
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 05:39
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I have sent 50 missions like that before. But it was 5 missions each to 10 cities of a player, out of which some missions were real and the rest were of 1 unit. I did that to conceal the real missions. That 50 missions took me more than 2 minutes for sure. I don't know why someone tried this 200 mission thing. Imagine 200 scouts bumping one by one into a ward of intentions against scouts.
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Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 05:53
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Setup Get to the send page with the target selected. Duplicate the tab N times (lets say 5). Put the mouse pointer over the desired diplo type - never move the mouse (you could even put it somewhere it can't move and just treat it like a glorified button. Loop Start Now, as fast as you can: - Click LMB, type 1 and enter - alt+page down (next tab) - repeat N times When back on page 1: - alt+left arrow, alt+page down (N times) - repeat from Loop Start Haven't tried, but I suspect this would achieve roughly 1 to 2 launches per second, assuming N is sufficiently large to prevent waiting on latency. It could also be easily scripted by people with no programming expertise as a simple macro, in many cases just using software that came with their keyboard or mouse. Even without scripting or any web-based expertise, it certainly doesn't take much to setup or execute. Now the only reasons anyone would bother with such spamming (by hand or otherwise) is to be a pest (not very effective, since the person launching puts in a decent amount of effort and the target basically doesn't have to do anything) or under the belief that there's some rare chance of success in any attack no matter the odds that outweighs the cost of all the failures necessary to get lucky (a bit like playing the lottery, that). ------------- "Apparently, quoting me is a 'thing' now." - HonoredMule |
Posted By: Yhina
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 12:55
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Seems like quite some infraestructure, and a lot of key clicks, in multiple and diferent forms, not to mess it up, sooner or later before you end up with all the groups... and a single mess up key, could either move the window, or open close a dialog, in short, adding a gap between some waves and the next one. As expected , feedbacks are far more interesting than the straight votes for yes or no. And regarding effectiveness, it's based on critical success/critical failure, no matter the size of attacker or defender. E.X trying to scout a town with over 2k defending scouts, could require some quite some scouts and not without risk of losing them.. while it can be scouted by losing some 99 ish, just by critical success hit. ( as any random factor, it could be achieved with the 1st, or the never, but on the average, i would say its around 1% or so). |
Posted By: MoguI
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 13:52
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First I tried it "normal" way. I made a little extension which added one button to illy page and click on that button opened "send diplomats" page, same what illytools is doing when sending diplomats to Statue quest. But additionally my little extension also pre-filled number of scouts in input textbox and also set keyboard focus to correct send button. This way it was just: click, enter, click, enter, ... But because of page reloading I could send only around 90 groups in 2 minutes. --- So then not so normal way... I tried it using more tabs and hooking with extension on pressing enter key so that no more button click was needed. I added also switch to the next illy tab-card if there is some or back to first. So with this it was only: enter, enter, enter, ... I tried it with 3 tab-cards but from central Europe I am not that close to the server so only 158 scout groups (2 scouts in each) are now going to "Cherry Blossom Grove"  Sending more and more was slowing down with higher numbers already going... after 1 minute it was around 95. (my ping to elgea.illyriad.co.uk is 140ms) |
Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 14:29
All diplos have a small chance of critical success. It is independent of the target's defense score (at least from what I've seen). Therefore, if you believe the target has a high diplo defense, or you otherwise cannot risk a mission failure, you spam it with diplomats. 100-200 t2 scouts are cheap and practically guarantees success. The only caveat is that your opponent will know who sent the diplos by capturing the other failed 199. |
Posted By: Auraya
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2014 at 17:04
| HM's method is quite close but not close enough. You need to type the 1 already so that it's simply a matter of hitting enter and changing tab. Not only could you do 200 but with decent internet + computer, I imagine you could do ~700 although possibly that's a little optimistic with Illyriad speed. I know that I used this method on Travian and successfully got 6 waves per second.. with catapults, not scouts ;) It definitely works and it's pretty effective. |