Broken Lands and War
Printed From: Illyriad
Category: The World
Forum Name: Politics & Diplomacy
Forum Description: If you run an alliance on Elgea, here's where you should make your intentions public.
URL: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=5302
Printed Date: 17 Apr 2022 at 15:20
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Topic: Broken Lands and War
Posted By: Brandmeister
Subject: Broken Lands and War
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2013 at 19:57
I didn't want to clutter the Server War threads with a Broken Lands discussion, but I found this quote very interesting. Epidemic, why do you believe this to be true? It is my understanding that most of the alliances currently at war rely on several factors to fight:
All of these factors rely on playing Illyriad for a long, long time. It requires recruiting many players over months or years, and then collecting their abandoned accounts as permanent alliance resource producers. NONE of these factors will be available in Broken Lands. It's a clean slate. I find it very difficult to believe that most big alliance players are going to build up 6 accounts for their personal use. It's just an enormous amount of effort. This is why old players tend not to migrate to new servers in cyclical MMOs. They have spent too much time building a comfortable and mighty empire, and have no inclination to repeat the entire process to the same endgame. Even given extensive combat experience, I think we will not see the same political landscape as present-day Elgea. The Elgean big guns rely on having a core of expert, dedicated warriors running multiple accounts with effectively limitless resources. It will be years before that kind of firepower is assembled by anyone in Broken Lands. |
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Posted By: Epidemic
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2013 at 20:21
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I agree with you completely on the claim that dedicated warring players rely heavily on farmed accounts (perma-sits). As a trader with large armies in most towns and sov claims at 100% troop production it is impossible for me to keep up with troop production by supplying my troops with equipment just from what I produce. I've lost money buying tons of equipment from the open market. I can't believe how someone can keep up with 200% troop production for any length of time with just one main account and one alt feeding the main. I can't even see how a T1 spearman army can stay supplied. If it's possible someone please show me how. The devs did say perma-sits will be dealt with sometime after BL and factions come out. Because BL will start fresh and everyone will have to build from scratch I believe good old fashion newb farming will be the regular. I think warmongering should be allowed there. They can have a server for that, a new server with new rules. |
Posted By: ES2
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2013 at 20:24
I imagine some accounts could be held hostage. A sort of "we do not like what you are doing in BL, stop it or we'll raze your elgean cities". I imagine that a few accounts will suddenly be abandoned on Broken Lands launches, to avoid that sort of annoyance. ------------- Eternal Fire |
Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2013 at 20:28
Your obviously doing something wrong. Although you can always purchase some of my goods :D So I take it back your doing everything correct :D
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Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2013 at 20:49
| @EF: For a long time, I assumed the Elgean gridlock would exist in Broken Lands. The current big alliances would be able to say, "Mess with us in BL, and we will blow you off the face of Elgea." But I don't think that gridlock exists anymore. War will exist in the Broken Lands, and perhaps be more commonplace (albeit smaller scale), but I think the real fighters there will be different players than in Elgea. |
Posted By: Deranzin
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2013 at 21:36
You might be surprized on that ... sure many people play the game as you described by creating a comfort zone, but there are also many players that try to seek the best choices they can make in the game and fine-tune their cities within the boundaries that are allowed by the rules. Sure it will take quite a while to create a significant firepower in BL, but imho this will be more a matter of troop queue times and not lack of any resources. |
Posted By: ES2
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2013 at 21:49
I certainly hope it will not become a duplicate of Elgea. We shall see what happens. ------------- Eternal Fire |
Posted By: Darmon
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2013 at 10:28
They did? Can you site a source for this? I just always assumed that this game is balanced for a single person controlling 6 accounts. I mean, what other excuse is there for perma-sitting?
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Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2013 at 11:50
| I have a solution for this once the war is over. |
Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2013 at 13:56
personally i am going to abandon my accounts and start over fresh in broken lands....40 castles per an account is just plain silly and it will take awhile for broken to get to the point that this side has become. hopefully the devs will have time to correct things before they become a problem in the new land area |
Posted By: Epidemic
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2013 at 18:46
I asked GM Stormcrow in gc about the perma-sits and he said the rules regarding them will be fixed and are on a To Do list once BL and factions are completed. |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2013 at 22:28
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What he didn't say but those who have been around for a while know is that "once X is completed ..." is another code for "never." Have fun out there.
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Posted By: Sisren
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2013 at 00:29
which ones of your 5? ------------- Illy is different from Physics- Reactions are rarely Equal, and rarely the opposite of what you'd expect... |
Posted By: Darmon
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2013 at 22:25
When you put off doing something more important until something less important gets done, I imagine that's the case. Also, are factions even coming along? It seems like they'd be a relatively small portion of TBL, and yet we haven't really heard any news about them in months.
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Posted By: Kalculas
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2013 at 15:17
This made me laugh because of my own browser MMO strategy wargame experience. Illyriad is my third such game, after playing the other two for years each, and they make Illyriad look like a war training sandbox. War was literally nonstop. I'm still getting over the shock of widespread anti-bullying sentiment here as well. I'm going to predict new powers arising in TBL. Younger alliances with limited growth opportunities in Elgea would probably give up a small foothold there if they had to, while developing a larger foothold in TBL comparative to the larger alliances there. I don't think alliances' player ratios will be the same on both continents.
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Posted By: JimJams
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2013 at 23:42
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All alliances have perma-sit accounts. Some use them as normal account: growing cities building armies, crafting things, making wars and tourny. Other use those perma-sit as cows, optimizing cities to just producing goods and gold. Both ways are bad for the game (even if the latter is really worst because it permits to build some really uneven army). I will welcome with Joy any rule change to drop really perma sitted account forever. ------------- 
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Posted By: Thexion
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2013 at 12:41
| I could not agree more JJ. |