Since our inception in June 2012, we have experienced some warfare.  I could lay out our justification for each and every war here in this forum.  However, experience tells me, I would be wasting my time and energy.  I am absolutely positive everyone's mind is made up at this point.  Being at war with 10 alliances is a clear sign we are past the "lets talk this out stage".  

The time for posturing is over.  We stand by our actions.  We will defend NC until the last city stands.  If you want to attempt to extract your "pound of flesh" from us, now is your chance.  

We will not apologize or surrender to pack of jackals that surround us.

As far as I am concerned, the conversation is over.  

SB

You can't have it both ways, pick one and stick with it.

"Meat is back on the menu boys!"

Sorry SB, meant nothing by it, just couldn't resist an Urak-hai quote. 

I do - about 4 weeks ago, when they started sieging RE, a much smaller alliance than them. That is the sole reason we went to war with CK. The offer we made (which still stands) is that if CK will make peace with RE, then NC will make peace with CK. No punishment, no reparations, no other terms.

But CK and now uCrow do not want peace, and this offer has been rejected. That's fine, but it is their choice, not ours. They bear the responsibility for the war and everything it has grown into.

The game of blaming NC for targeting poor, little CK falls apart when you look at the facts. And the fact that they refuse peace when it is offered to them without condition just goes to show that they (CK and uCrow) want this war, and they want it to escalate.

They are welcome to prove me wrong. Tameaon and Ajeka - offer peace in game to NC and RE. It will be accepted.

If you want peace, take it. It's yours. If you want war, that is your choice, but please stop pretending you want peace when you don't.

Blazing Arrow,

Please refer to the last line of our official statement.

SB

This one? I dont know the details but looks really brutal.

Also, a few hours ago it never happened and now you know details?  

Yes. Infact the largest alliance all claim to discourage this sortof behavior on their alliance page. 

However the current state of confederations and private treaties have given diplomatic immunity to the Coalition of Awesome, as KP calls it. In essence, if you are awesome the rules don't apply. 

Crap, here I thought this was a pretty unique game that had an element of war in it. Damn it, I've been playing it all wrong then!!

This. So very much this.

How can you say that? In your opening posts you ask for evidence of NC aggression and it has been provided, in the form of examples of their conductnot only from the  CK/RE affair but also during and after the Bane/NC war.  Moreover, the NC leader's ,  Sir Brad's post linked to this thread is just about the boldest aggressive statement an alliance leader can make in this game. That in itself is evidence. In the end though the most compelling evidence is the case of Shammara which shows the depths of "nastiness"  to which they prepared to go.

Cast aside KP's poor attempt's at denial and later his excuses - This thread shows with evidence that:

1. Celtic Knights, EE, Ucrow, Vcrow are not the aggressive alliances that KP  deliberately tried to portray them as;

2, Night Crusaders are an aggressive military alliance. Not only do they fight wars but they will aggressively provoke them. They are even capable of destroying accounts during peace negotiations without a second thought. (Big problem there!)

3. H? do not treat there allies with equal respect. Indeed they treat some of them with contempt;

To my mind KP has deliberately misrepresented this whole CK/RE affair for his own ends and entertainment but the Illy community has seen through his poorly veiled lies and threats. I think people are running out patience and tolerance of KP as leader of H? They want to see a change. A big change.

What do you mean by suicide? Sieged her 10 towns herself?

For weeks NC waited for the II members to provide the cities they wanted to be razed.  Every member complied.  They dropped runes, disbanded troops and the cities were razed with no issue.

Shamarra gave us two cities for raze.  She refused to drop her runes or disband her troops.  We had to scout her cities and she was reinforcing the ones she agreed to give up.  Once our siege landed she attacked them and they were wiped out.  

She continued to attack our camps and reinforce her cities.  When her troops were all gone she seemed to have abandon the account.  There was no activity, no vans moving, no igms etc etc. There was no reason for us to believe she was still actively playing or even wanted to play anymore.

BTW, our ex Player Beecks has been inactive for some time.  Once Shade laid the first siege on the account we decided to cut the account loose.  Beecks has promised many times to come back.  In the meantime, Beecks recieved an igm from a vCrow player (Ryklaw) saying that even though the account is not in NC, they are going to wipe it out, just in case you come back and want to be in the war.  

Hypocritical?  You be the judge...

SB

Btw, Beecks has been sat for awhile, but on occasion she pops in to say hi to everyone.  

See the Herald today...

It's a metric that is visible to everyone.  Is it perfect?  no.  Is it an overall gauge of how much someone with a pair can push?  yes.

You don't like it, then ignore it, a large portion of the server actually uses it.  It's been used before you started playing, and will be used after you quit.

And comparing a single boxer to the potential of a player of certain matrices, that is a logical fallacy and I am pretty sure you know it.  That is of coarse if you aren't sniffing glue.

So its okay for vCrow and Shade to do it, but not when it happen to Shamarra.  Do you not see the total hypocrisy in your posting?

SB

Oh you silly little man...

Here I thought the server doesnt say anything...just a bunch of cowards having a play at war.

As far as this being a vote?  I only see...less than 10 alliances taking this stance.  Hardly the server voting...

So... is this you being pompous again?  or manipulated by Hath like most people have now seen?

I will give Hath credit, he did get each alliance he named to fight.

But you already know that.  As his Kompanion, would that make you his lap dog?

Understood. Thanks for keeping the conversation clean. 

Since this topic is about NC, can anyone speak to how well they are doing in the war?

What game police? H? was on NC's side all through their campaign of aggression.

When NC on their own were not enough, the "NC Reserve Alliance" (That's TVM and other Coalition players) was sent in.

And when the NCRA was not enough H? themselves declared war and had to be declared upon.

~Vanerin

LOL. We the Unawesomes

Isn't it strange that one of the key architects of this latest mess is trying to paint him self as a naive newbe who has just joined the game.  We know about you Bonfyr verboo ;)

I was in close contact and support with Mannanan and Gimardon when NC attacked Gimardon due to my close friendship with Mannanan and his request for aide at the time.   My forces were all all prepared to ship off and clear any sieges that might have landed on Gimardon's cities in Kumala.    In fact, It reached the point where I exchanged skype contact information with both Gimardon and Mannanan just for this incident.  All attacks against Kumala cities were feints and the situation was resolved.  

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After the tournament Dittobite sent me an IGM regarding three incidents/complaints he had concerning NC.  I responded in depth and detail giving my viewpoint including specific personal incidents that related to each complaint leveled.  This was to show why I could empathize with NC's position and that perhaps a different diplomatic tact might have better resolved the issue in the first place.   I followed up stating that if he still felt justified he should declare on NC and that it was my opinion that Harmless? would not get involved at that time.  Further, that it wasn't my place to tell him how to run his alliance or make that decision for him.  This last IGM was sent May 24th, and sat unread in his inbox for over two months before being deleted.   

 

*up to this point I really didn't have much of an interaction with NC because I hadn't really initiated interaction.  As I did, I found them to be very reasoned and well spoken.  So, to be cliche after many months - yes, yes I do like green eggs and ham.  :)  

You, Anjire, may not have been involved, but in my communications with KP he made it quite clear that H? will support NC.

In declaring war on EE who was at war with TVM, H? did just that. TVM in my mind and by their own action are NC's reserve alliance.

Sadly, there are no neutral people.

In my experience, anyone who has ever come forward as a possible mediator in any conflict has a tilt toward one side or the other and a hidden agenda for their preferred side. Manannan is a great example - he was supposed to be a "neutral" negotiator between NC and STEEL, while he worked actively to enlist military support for STEEL if the conflict were to escalate. The number of examples I have of things like this is exactly equal to the number of people who have ever wanted to mediate a conflict that NC has been involved in.

I'm not opposed at all to working with a neutral mediator to resolve conflict, but I don't know of a single Illy player who fits that bill.

For whats it worth I would gladly be part of the medium if both sides were to agree to negotiation. Sadly from what I have been told that is unlikely and I see this war ending with fewer people in illyriad when it began 

My conversations with you on August 26 and with Kumo on September 2, both in the thread NC-Bane War in the Dark section of your Embassy, say otherwise.

imo all you posted above shows that I as the leader of Dark only said that we will either fight NC by joining with 3 Dark accounts, or with all of Dark.

It also shows you telling me "If you guys get involved that will be a definite escalation and I foresee a chain reaction which ends up pulling in most of the top 20 alliances including eventually H?".

Bane was completely blameless and NC entirely wrong.

NC decalred on Bane for some made up reason.

NC refused our peace offers when we offered peace for peace.

NC refused Dark's offer to end the war with Bane and conduct a more "fun" war against Dark in which the potential for escalation was minimal.

NC continued their aggression against Celtic Knights.

It was clear that NC was never going to stop without someone stopping them.

It was also clear that NC always choose to go to war with those they are sure can't stop them, so Dark would never be a candidate.

When NC and the NCRA got into trouble H? stepped in.

And this is why we are fighting.

KP stop piling on the pressure to make Halcyon look bad. The Illy community is wise to it now and tired of it.