Where are the most powerful players?
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Topic: Where are the most powerful players?
Posted By: Baesil
Subject: Where are the most powerful players?
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 19:49
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As of today, 193 players had reached 1,000,000,000 or more points. Of those, 4 had no current alliance affiliation. Eleven alliances had more than 3 players at this level H? 37 Soon 18 vCrow 14 Shade 11 VIC 10 CalCr 7 RES 7 NC 6 mCrow 5 TCol 5 Aesir 4 40 different alliances had between 1 and 3 members among this group.
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Posted By: Halcyon
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 19:56
| The score in points is not equal to power. |
Posted By: Aurordan
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 20:14
| Yeah, the rankings are a little misleading. Well, a lot misleading. It's probably a pretty accurate view of who has the most large players though, at least in vague terms. |
Posted By: st aug
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 20:15
| Power comes in many forms not just in points . But you would think with that many points they would have power. Depends on what points they have in what category among other thing's. That is a lot of points either way and congrats to all who have it . Takes a long time a lot of work to reach that high point level. You have put your time in and earned it in point totals. Again congrats |
Posted By: MicroMe
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 20:33
| GO UN!!! :D |
Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 22:23
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While points are not equal to power they are proportional and readily available. It would be interesting to see if someone has a formula for what 'power' equals. But until then I think points will do nicely. I think is of particular interest that very few players who are 'powerful' don't have alliances. Awesome stats.
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Posted By: bansisdead
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 23:12
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You need to define what you mean by powerful. Do you mean in a political sense or physical, or something else?
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Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2013 at 00:45
| In terms of raw lethality, I think defense score is a good proxy. You can get attack points in tournaments or by hunting, but that doesn't correlate well to martial power. Sieging a live target produces a lot of defensive casualties. You can scam trade, diplomacy, and magic. Tech isn't a useful indicator. Population is just size; there are many very lethal players below 100,000 population, and many chubby couch potatoes over 200,000. |
Posted By: Daefis
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2013 at 00:57
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/me heads for weightwatchers..... ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/37796" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2013 at 01:46
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Perhaps we should design our own 'power' formula based upon the ranking available to all. Population,defense and attack will have high 'weights' Diplo, magic, trade have low 'weights' Quest and Tech are pretty much useless to the 'power' equation. Anybody good at writing scripts that can grab all that information then produce a new 'power' list?
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Posted By: Redfist
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2013 at 11:01
| *rolls eyes* |
Posted By: Sisren
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2013 at 11:21
The easiest way to do this would be to parse the playerdata xml, if and only if the scores are in the data (I do not recall). If it is in the data, it is easy to calculate. ------------- Illy is different from Physics- Reactions are rarely Equal, and rarely the opposite of what you'd expect... |
DeathDealer89 wrote:Posted By: Albatross
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2013 at 13:01
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I think power in Illy is measured by the effectiveness of sharp tools. i.e. those rare cases where you are prepared and specialized in a way that precisely matches the circumstances you find yourself in (or the circumstances you create!), and can then use that to achieve material advantage. -------------  |
Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2013 at 14:12
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It's all about making sure you have a long enough lever and the right fulcrum.
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Posted By: Albatross
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2013 at 16:58
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OK, so we have a very sharp, long lever, attached to the right fulcrum, pointing at something it will win against. Anything else?
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Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2013 at 18:29
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I think its the willpower behind the agressor that really defines the "weight" of a player. Just because youre big doesnt mean you see a lot combat necesarily.
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Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2013 at 19:35
| people tell me i am pretty powerful after i eat at taco bell, i think that determines power more than points....in military... specialization is very important...team work determines who is powerful in this game, no single player is worth their salt without a good team around them...also the number of accounts a person is permasitting determines alot and also if the person is multiple accounting...then also u have to look which and how many different alliance the person is playing in...as the game gets older i wouldnt mess with any player...especially if they eat at taco bell....wiggles her behind at harm and nc |
Posted By: Badur Agamak
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2013 at 22:40
out of curiosity how long have Harmless been number 1? 
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Posted By: bansisdead
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2013 at 23:50
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So if willpower is the force applied upon the said lever, then moving the fulcrum will change the amount of pressure or force that willpower can apply. So the fulcrum holds the real power. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/124253" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2013 at 01:30
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That's like the age-old question: What's more important, the arrow or the bow? A: It's the arrow. There are only two kinds of archers: imbeciles, and people who use crossbows. |
Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2013 at 01:41
| You fool the power is in the eye! |
Posted By: Gragnog
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2013 at 09:19
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He who has the most troops, best commanders, and an alliance with the most troops is the most powerful. The rest of us are just plain farmers. And having said that I will head back to my peaceful ways and plant some more grain. ------------- Kaggen is my human half |
Posted By: asasama
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2013 at 13:54
| Knowing how to use your troops and how to quickly make more of them is at least as important as sheer number if not more so. |
Posted By: Captain Kindly
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2013 at 22:40
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Everybody knows they reside in HUGs... ;) Oh, this wasn't about Irony Power? :P ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/60249" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Tamaeon
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2013 at 16:13
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There are now 243 players with 1B points or more! That's a 25% increase in less than 3 weeks. Land claims have also risen during this period, and more people seem to be logging in. The markets are also booming, and GM SC even made a comment on behalf of King Sigurd. Looks like Elgea is coming back to life in anticipation of The Broken Lands release!
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Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2013 at 16:16
| Or you know the biggest war in Illy history. But yea def due TBL :P |
Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 21:12
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Eh, most of my score is because I hold second rank in magic. -------------  |
Posted By: Le Roux
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 23:03
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Brids is a Blight upon Illy ! ; ) ------------- 
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Posted By: Gragnog
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2013 at 10:52
lmao. Love that humour. ------------- Kaggen is my human half |
Posted By: Lost Avenger
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2013 at 02:21
| It is a lot of hard work getting 1B points. Interestingly, since reaching it I seem to be accumulating points more quickly. Cities must act as multipliers. Can't wait for my 10th city. Almost there. |
Posted By: Eiche
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2013 at 07:38
Just quickly, looking at the top 20 by defence score, they break down as follows: H? - 9 VIC - 2 ~NC~ - 2 Shade - 1 vCrow - 1TCol - 1 Unaligned - 1 EE - 1 nCrow - 1 DARK - 1 It's not massively different to the picture from overall points.
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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2013 at 15:10
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/me waits for someone to claim that that's just due to longevity in the game and warlike tendencies. Twi - where are you? ------------- "This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM "a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill |
Posted By: Albatross
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2013 at 15:36
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The most powerful player is the person with a finger hovering over the off-switch in the data centre.
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Posted By: Angrim
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2013 at 17:23
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2013 at 17:47
| You can get defense points in tournaments as well. All of my defense points have been gained in tournaments. Ratio of defense points to attack points often has as much to do with race and playing style as anything else. I'll bet most of the top players in defense points are elves, whereas many of the top attackers are humans. |
Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2013 at 17:56
| Considering the majority of players are elves and humans that would be expected. Though the number 1 is an orc and he's ahead by quite a bit. |
Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2013 at 19:31
You're only #475. When I look at the top 100 defenders, I see a collection of people who have sieged a great many towns. I probably phrased my original point badly. You can get a high attack score by hacking apart NPCs, and by attacking tournament squares under favorable conditions. I acknowledge that you can accumulate some defense points in tournaments. However, as a point score, defense still correlates the BEST to power and lethality, even if it doesn't correlate particularly well due to tournament noise. It helps that all the other scores are rather irrelevant. The best way to judge lethality is to examine the player's stats, history, cities, alliance and allies. You can tell many dangerous players just by looking, but that's subjective judgment, not a numerical ranking. |
Posted By: ropadope
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2013 at 00:57
| I think the most powerful is the one who shows up with the most potent weed...then again I may not think that....all this stuff is relative. This all sounds like a measuring tape shared between teenage boys....not cool. but needed. |
Posted By: ropadope
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2013 at 00:59
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*is going back to his movie
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Posted By: Le Roux
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2013 at 09:09
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Real power in Illy is not tracked by any score whatsoever... Power in any game like this rests in the ability to influence others to work towards your aims, to build groups of others who have the means to further your own goals.
The Machiavelian masters prefer to work behind the scenes, and those are the ones who wield the real "power" in sandbox games . . . . . . who knows their real identity? -------------
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Posted By: Angrim
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2013 at 21:04
| this discussion suffers greatly from a lack of definition in the OP of what Baesil meant by "powerful". |
Posted By: Tatharion
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2013 at 00:19
Muuuuuhahahaha...!!!
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Posted By: Aurordan
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2013 at 01:54
| Maybe Forbes should do a list of the top ten most powerful Illy players? I'll ask them :P |
Posted By: Malek
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2013 at 04:23
Would be interesting to see who the people in illyriad think are the top 10 most powerful players in the game are.
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Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 04:15
| That would be an interesting vote Malek. |
Posted By: mohit9006
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 15:13
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+1 Malek ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/96873" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Sir Bradly
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 16:13
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Those individuals (leaders) who control the largest blocks of military might are the most powerful players in Illy. The list would be pretty easy to compile.
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Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 18:14
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Ditto :) ------------- 
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Posted By: Le Roux
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 18:47
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I'd guess the list is much like: 1a. Player(s) who can dictate or persuade unified action for the "Coalition" 1b. Player(s) who can dictate or persuade unified action for the "Alliance" (interchangeable with 1a.) .... ( big gap ) 3x. - > 3y. Leaders of individual alliances with a military bent ... ( gap ) xyz. War hardened individual players with multiple perma sat accounts ... ( big gap) XXXX. The rest of us . . .
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Posted By: Sloter
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 18:53
| I would say strongest player is that with one 0 pop city and who is still activ.He can never be destroyed no matter how big force is used on him :) |
Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 19:21
| Good summary, Le Roux. I would add to the bottom of that list: GC personalities who many people would jump to defend, regardless of affiliation. Also traders who can significantly shift the markets (pre-departure Bonaparta comes to mind). |
Posted By: Tamaeon
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2014 at 23:31
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Update: there are now 415 accounts with over 1 billion points!
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