THE WAR OF WALLS
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Topic: THE WAR OF WALLS
Posted By: abstractdream
Subject: THE WAR OF WALLS
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2013 at 18:22
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The Night Squires and TRIVIUM are engaged in WAR! Don't get your knickers in a bunch, it's a war game. ~NS~ is a training alliance focused on the much maligned aspects of war in Illyria. TRIVIUM...well, they are just a bunch of warmongers. After little preparation and next to no sleep, it was decided by a handful of those who do that sort of thing that we should have at each other with almost no holds barred. We will use every technique at our disposal, save Catapults to lay waste to each other. Any member not moved onto a Do Not Attack list is in play and any city with a wall is up for grabs. Once a wall is destroyed, the referees, in their infinite wisdom will tag said city as "destroyed." Once out of play, troops, diplo units and even resources located in that city are also tagged "destroyed." Dem are da rules. Anything else goes. I'm sure this will be quite fun for both sides. Members of ~NS~ have far less experience in combat than the average TVM member but they have just come out of a similar war game and are raring to fight. TVM has been snoring rather loudly lately and had less than 48 hours notice to get their s**t together. I expect them to rally in short order, though. Should be a hell of of a war! Here shall be posted whatever the participants feel is relevant. Maybe some taunting and trash talk? Maybe some begging to be shown mercy at the hands of the enemy? Maybe gloating? Apologies? I also invite players outside looking in to post questions, congratulations or condemnations. Bottom line is, everyone have a load of fun! ------------- |
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Posted By: Halcyon
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2013 at 18:37
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A war that destroys walls and not cities and count a city that lost its walls as a captured or razed city is a very good idea to simulate a real war. Good luck and have fun 
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Posted By: Vanerin
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2013 at 07:03
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This sounds like a great idea! Looking forward to hearing how things go. Have fun storming the castle!
~Vanerin |
Posted By: Myr
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 00:47
I would just like to point out that my trainees are kicking you-know-what!  <<<Trivium |
Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 02:15
| get more alliance involved lets make this illy wide! |
Posted By: Myr
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 02:29
| Perhaps WoT will play with Dark. |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 03:38
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BV sez: Myr, you guys have not scored any serious hits. How can you say you're "kicking you-know-what"? I don't think you have enough troops between all of those so called trainees to take out even one of our cities. How about you just call it right now and save a little face? 'force sez: Aww, poor Trivial..umm Trivia...whateva...can't stand the heat, get back to Ursor. You guys think you got it? I don't even have a single army inbound and I'm smack dab in the middle of you poor excuses for a military. ------------- |
Posted By: Hager
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 03:52
| Myr sorry but I have not seen any real attacks from NS outside of thieves and magic. We finally have rams and have a siege in play, time for cities to start dropping |
Posted By: Nalleen
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 03:58
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Nalleen says: Looks like TRIVIUM is gonna knock down the first wall... Osyazet says: NOT without a good fight! Cause (queue music) "I'm goin' doooooowwn, In a blaaaze of gloooory!"  -------------    |
Posted By: Hager
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 04:00
| On a serious note for any other alliance wanting to try this it gives you all the aspects of combat/war with limited city damage |
Posted By: Sir Bradly
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 04:33
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I want to congratulate Myr on her success with ~NS~. The alliance is very vibrant and exciting. Great players enthusiastic about learning about all facets of the game especially the nuances of military. Keep up the good work. Good luck to both NS and TVM as they battle the "war of walls" SB
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Posted By: Halcyon
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 06:37
It appears that some of these guys are playing chess against themselves 
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Posted By: Myr
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 11:58
| Considering Trivium is all cuddled up in the NE like a cage full of hamsters at nap time and my alliance is mostly still in their spawn spots, I think we are kicking butt. The only city under serious threat happens to be in the middle of your little cuddle-fest. |
Posted By: Evae
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 21:31
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Posted on behalf of Skint Jagblade, the Captain of Cavemen, heir apparent to Colonel Sanders, and herder of Night Squire cats.
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Skint Jagblade wrote:Posted By: Evae
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 21:51
| Jeez, Bonfyr thank-you for the honor of sending 1,000 of your best knights against my fledgling town of 1,000. NS must look pretty frightening to you north-eastern dwellers. Maybe you have had too easy a time recently, not seen enough action. I surmise that your TVM troops are so fat and lazy that they can only just waddle around the neighborhood and down as far as Middle Kingdom before exhausting themselves and having to stop for a few more beers and dinner. By the time you even THINK about heading into our Arran region you can only muster ONE charioteer?! Maybe a little remedial work-out training is in order, eh? Get your troops buffed up, it may come in handy. |
Posted By: CampusGator
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 22:02
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So I've tried explaining the War of the Walls to a coworker (programmer) who likes gaming. He drew this on the whiteboard. I, being the project manager, had to correct him before development progressed too far. "Clearly you weren't listening, I said we only use battering rams". His only response... "I like catapults" I so wish I could recruit him!  |
Posted By: Myr
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 00:31
| Can anyone translate Orc? |
Posted By: Hager
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 13:53
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Sorry Skint Dwarves are trained to win battles and wars not line our stew pots with bloody saddles and horseguts. Right now we are wandering the streets of Two mountains after passing through the holes in the walls we finished knocking down. After a farewell feast from the people there we will pack up the rams and head to the next target |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 14:18
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BV sez: He said y'all are doing the best you can and that TVM should stop building and disband our armies to help out. 'force sez: As far as I can tell, he said TLC...ummm, TNA?, something...is targeting newbs. They've been sending their oversized armies into small, mostly defenseless towns. They've been slaughtering, from the backs of their horses the few volunteer militias that do attempt a stand and looting whatever valuable goods they find. All this instead of going after the members of NS who can defend themselves. It is a strategy one would expect of barbarians. I would add that I don't blame a ruler with over 150,000 citizens stomping on a neighbor with less than 30,000 people in the entire kingdom but having his teammates pile on too seems a bit much to me. BV sez: Are you kidding me? I gather you'd prefer we let you approve our plans, inspect our armies and supply your military with weapons, armor and mounts? No one said war was fair. If it were, it would be a game of checkers. Suck it up, we're out of cheese. ------------- |
Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 00:58
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Kudos and good luck to all, this is a great idea for a fun war!! ------------- CEO, Harmless? Founder of Toothless? "Truth never dies." -HonoredMule |
Posted By: CampusGator
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 02:32
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what IS that smell?!? it's musky, like ferret? FerretMusk? All I know is something's in the air ------------- http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/CampusGator/media/GMForumSig_zpsab0667c5.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Prepare to Die
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Posted By: Hager
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 03:39
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The new deal has fallen. 2 cities down Wall sieges are very fast compared to regular sieges |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 03:51
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'force sez: So, happy? You have managed to take out a couple of cities belonging to a couple of the smaller members who happen to be pretty much completely surrounded by over sized cities in triviam territory. That calls for a parade. BV sez: Umm, actually yes. I am happy, thanks for asking. 'force sez: jerk ------------- |
Posted By: Halcyon
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 10:48
| imho, [~NS~] should be renamed [Battle Schoo]. |
Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 15:18
| i hope everyone is noticing that one factor in this war is just destruction of walls. maybe siege destruction to buildings needs to be reexamined by the devs. should destruction of buildings be more related to the build time? evidently there is strong player interest in competing in military aspect of the game, but why is trade given the advantage in game playing style when there seems a strong possibility that more players are interested in military exchanges than trading exchanges? good job pointing this out to the two alliances involved. |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 16:57
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Huh? ------------- |
Posted By: Myr
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2013 at 00:14
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Battle School is good. I considered Fight Club but decided it was too cheesy, I'm lactose intolerant.
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Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2013 at 01:26
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Plus, since we're out of cheese... (It's a joke about whine) ------------- |
Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2013 at 02:14
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You could name it Battle School, but then your alliance ticker would be [~BS~].
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Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2013 at 02:23
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YES! Perfect! ------------- |
Posted By: Myr
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2013 at 02:27
 Now there is a ticker I can get behind!
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Posted By: Nalleen
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2013 at 04:43
True HAGER and lvl20 walls might take alot of stone to rebuild but they only create 20 population total so no big population loss and alot of good lessons learned before "real" war teaches them the harder way!  Such as Osyazet's big mistake--never capture a city on a plain which is surrounded by great defendable siege spots, and then name it after those very advantageous sq's (Two Mountains)! Exodus those asap.  ------------- |
Posted By: Gnorfum
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2013 at 22:07
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This is really a great idea. We might copy it one day in TOR-U. We plan focus more into military training as well and hope to try our strength in competition with you guys one day! ------------- Learn how to play Illy and live in freedome: http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Alliance/Alliance/702" rel="nofollow - TOR-U 
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Posted By: Hager
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 01:37
| Gnorfum this is the best training for a war I have found in Illy short of the actual thing. It will use and develop war skills but the losses are only troops and walls. Both replaceable. Good for building an alliances co-ordination that a war needs |
Posted By: Hager
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 01:41
| Sorry Skint but we took out 5 towns yesterday so now have finished 7 . That was a massive force you guys hit TheImp with 30K. We will have a big party when we head south |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 02:54
Just to clarify, we are using all available tactics and units except catapults. That includes diplomat units like thieves, sabs and etc. Some members, on both sides have taken serious hits in that department. This exercise is as close to real war as we can muster, without the real loss of cities. ------------- |
Posted By: Evae
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 03:22
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Posted By: CampusGator
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2013 at 18:14
/me giggles. I knew I saw Skint-Orc tip-toeing around people's castles, and peeping in their windows. Now I know why Skint giggles so much when peeping in Hager's windows!! ------------- http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/CampusGator/media/GMForumSig_zpsab0667c5.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> Prepare to Die
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Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2013 at 17:00
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So, two full weeks in and I can report that this exercise is succeeding in every way. Both alliances are more active. Members are having fun. Some are worried and sometimes frustrated but those are only temporary emotions when they realize the damage is minimal and that they can recover within mere days as opposed to the months sometimes required to recover from "real" Illy war. Lessons are being learned all around and the allies in both alliances are bonding in ways that otherwise would not be readily available. It really is good to see my extended family in ~NS~ as well as TVM, living up to the potential of the game, putting themselves to the test, embracing every aspect of the game and enjoying the fruits of their labors. Thanks to Skint Jagblade and HAGER for taking the reins and running with them! ------------- |
Posted By: CampusGator
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2013 at 13:13
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that's what I smelled! I love the sight of catapults surrounding an enemy! http://www.illyriad.co.uk/World/Map?filename=Illyriad_x225_y230_z4_2013-08-13T12-11-2478a79525-cabf-4f2e-ad62-1be6a77ac989.jpg" rel="nofollow">
 ------------- http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/CampusGator/media/GMForumSig_zpsab0667c5.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> Prepare to Die
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Posted By: Hager
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 00:20
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Hi gator Glad your having fun with otter while your gone Wonka came to visit you |
Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 01:23
| its amazing watching the team play occurring in your conflict. its a shame for the game that the combinations of variables are not explored more in this a war game. the devs have put so much effort in creating these functions and sadly the players were buffalo into not playing this game area and we became mainly non combative...hopefully broken lands changes this and players realize the fun they are neglecting. |
Posted By: Myr
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 04:05
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Congratulations to Evae, a player with under 2k pop who thought she was too small to contribute has taken down the walls of a city and neutralized an enemy. Watch out Illy, don't mess with her! |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 04:21
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Way to go Evae! ------------- |
Posted By: Ashtar
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 09:03
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Gratz Evae :) See it is not the size of the hooman in the fight, it is the size of the fight in the hooman! The TCOL Elven Brigade gives you a three elf ear salute for your victory! (note: the ears may be a little chewed upon due to our Orc Brethern)
 ------------- Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. - Buddha |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 15:10
Oh the hoomanity! |
Posted By: Nalleen
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2013 at 09:49
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We all need more barrels of beer to train troops to attack and defend vs. our well-trained Night Squires! Here are our leaders plotting to get more: Bonfyr Verboo & Abraxox w/ wonka looking on...  ------------- |
Posted By: Myr
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2013 at 14:54
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Cute, Nalleen!
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Posted By: Angrim
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2013 at 19:27
bravo to both sides. these are the best mock war rules yet. |
Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2013 at 21:46
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I thought the recent eCrow-DB mock war had fairly realistic rules as well. They were based on the Illyriad Olympics site, with the addition of assassins and direct attacks. I thought that 72 hours of bombardment was a bit too long for a raze, but most of the scoring was from live sieges, not the raze itself. I do really like the walls concept, in that it seems like far less book keeping than the I-O approach. Do you guys cap the number of battering rams? It seems like a siege could go extremely fast with 30+ rams, especially compared to the I-O rule of 12+72 hours. |
Posted By: Hager
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2013 at 00:39
| No we did not cap the rams. I had no idea when we began how fast a wall siege would go. Next time a limit on rams would help duplicate a real siege better |
Posted By: Myr
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2013 at 01:55
| On my side, we haven't been able to field many forces with 30 rams. Most people rushed to start building them when we announced and declared war. For NS 15 is a very large ram force to send. |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2013 at 02:23
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Yea, 15 Rams can just about get 20 wall levels down in a day, including set up. Personally, I like that it's fast, considering how short my attentio.... ------------- |
Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2013 at 05:21
It takes 12 hours for 15 rams to destroy 20 levels of wall? o.O What's the hit rate on rams? Even catapults are like 25% in the first hour. I would have expected it to take maybe 5-6 hours tops in the scenario you just described. |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2013 at 14:38
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My only experience thus far was 10 Rams took down 6 levels in 8 hours. As for 25% in the first hour for Cats, I've not generally seen that. That's kinda high from my experience. Maybe I just have bad luck, or maybe it's just too damned cold up here for the siege engine crews. ------------- |
Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2013 at 17:36
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I have it on good authority that dwarves are better than everybody at pretty much everything that matters. But we... uh, they are particularly better at firing catapults.
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Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2013 at 05:21
Except those mule based cav pretty much suck donkey (insert anatomy of choice).... ;) |
Posted By: Hager
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2013 at 05:45
| I have some records from my last couple of sieges. I had 3 hits total using 18 rams in 2 hours of attacks. In another using 10 rams I had 3 hits in 3 hours |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2013 at 07:09
| Normally the wall is down within 6hrs after bombardment starts. |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2013 at 14:30
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The War of Walls has come to an end. Dozens of commanders have been promoted, thousands of brave souls have been returned to their homeland to be laid to rest with honor and much has been learned on both sides, while vast amounts of goods and treasure and raw materials have exchanged hands. HAGER of TVM and Skint Jagblade of ~NS~ proudly and distinctively served as Commanding Generals of their respective sides. Both of these exceptional leaders stepped forward to take charge, making the exercise a fun and worthy event for all of those participating members. Thank you Generals! Many members on both sides served with honor. Without their involvement the War of Walls would have been a mere dream of a few hopeful leaders. However, because the members of both the Night Squires and TRIVIUM joined in and committed themselves to this exercise with every bit of fervor they could muster, willing to gain or loose as the winds of war dictated, this War of Walls was an astounding success and a testament to the fun that can be had if we are willing to give it a chance. Here's to glorious victory, to all the lucky souls who had at it and to future wars and all the fame and fun that is to come!  ------------- |