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Tournament VII - Winners and prizes

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Topic: Tournament VII - Winners and prizes
Posted By: GM Stormcrow
Subject: Tournament VII - Winners and prizes
Date Posted: 14 May 2013 at 00:50
Overall Winners
A fantastically wrought set of victories to the following:

  • First place: Harmless? [H?]  for 145 champions overall
  • Second place: The Crows [Crow] for 143 champions overall
  • Third place: Elysian Fields [Shade] for 77 champions overall
So close between 1st and 2nd, and special mention must also go to VicX and Soon who were both challenging Shade for 3rd.

Many congratulations to all who participated.

Regional Winners
Many congratulations to each regions' winners, as follows:

Arran
1st
Pending... [Soon™] 18 champions
Arran
2nd
The Crows [Crow] 3 champions
Arran
3rd
Brothers After Death [BAD] 1 champion
Azura
1st=
Harmless? [H?] 6 champions
Azura
1st=
Pending... [Soon™] 6 champions
Azura
3rd
The Old Republic [TOR] 4 champions
Djebeli
1st
The Crows [Crow] 24 champions
Djebeli
2nd
The Crow's Wings [CrowW] 1 champion
Elijal
1st
The Crow's Wings [CrowW] 12 champions
Elijal
2nd
The Crows [Crow] 7 champions
Elijal
3rd
Pending... [Soon™] 3 champions
Farra Isle
1st
Harmless? [H?] 19 champions
Farra Isle
2nd
Slaves to Armok [StA] 7 champions
Farra Isle
3rd
The Crows [Crow] 1 champion
Fremorn
1st
Harmless? [H?] 8 champions
Fremorn
2nd
Elysian Fields [Shade] 6 champions
Fremorn
3rd
Wheel of Time [WoT] 5 champions
Kal Tirikan
1st
Elysian Fields [Shade] 24 champions
Kal Tirikan
2nd equal
Phoenix Rising [Arise] 1 champion
Kal Tirikan
2nd equal
Steel Confessors [STEEL] 1 champion
Kem
1st
Victrix [VICX] 26 champions
Keppen
1st
Carolingia Magna [C.M.] 9 champions
Keppen
2nd
Dark Empire [DARK] 6 champions
Keppen
3rd
The Crows [Crow] 4 champions
Keshalia
1st
Crows Nest [nCrow] 15 champions
Keshalia
2nd
The Order [T-O] 7 champions
Keshalia
3rd
Black Skull Horde [BSH] 2 champions
Kul Tar
1st
The Crows [Crow] 13 champions
Kul Tar
2nd
Fires of Heaven [FoH] 12 champions
Kul Tar
3rd
The Corrupted [Tcor] 1 champion
Kumala
1st
Harmless? [H?] 14 champions
Kumala
2nd
Dark Empire [DARK] 3 champions
Kumala
3rd
Southland Sentinels [SOUTH] 2 champions
Lan Larosh
1st
Harmless? [H?] 26 champions
Lan Larosh
2nd equal
Elysian Fields [Shade] 1 champion
Lan Larosh
2nd equal
Murder of Crows [mCrow] 1 champion
Laoshin
1st
Eight Hand Crow [eCrow] 24 champions
Laoshin
2nd
SnugglersCrowalition [HUGcr] 2 champions
Laoshin
3rd
EAGLES EYRIE [EE] 1 champion
Larn
1st
Victrix [VICX] 27 champions
Lucerna
1st
The Crows [Crow] 26 champions
Lucerna
2nd
Insanity Inc [II] 1 champion
Mal Motsha
1st
Black Skull Horde [BSH] 19 champions
Mal Motsha
2nd
The Crows [Crow] 6 champions
Meilla
1st
Pending... [Soon™] 10 champions
Meilla
2nd
Murder of Crows [mCrow] 6 champions
Meilla
3rd
Harmless? [H?] 2 champions
Middle Kingdom
1st
Calaquendi Crow [Calcr] 15 champions
Middle Kingdom
2nd
Pending... [Soon™] 8 champions
Middle Kingdom
3rd
Toothless? [T?] 1 champion
Norweld
1st
Murder of Crows [mCrow] 14 champions
Norweld
2nd equal
Harmless? [H?] 5 champions
Norweld
2nd equal
Elysian Fields [Shade] 5 champions
Perrigor
1st
Dwarven Lords [Dlord] 10 champions
Perrigor
2nd equal
The Crows [Crow] 4 champions
Perrigor
2nd equal
Elysian Fields [Shade] 4 champions
Qarosslan
1st
Crows Nest [nCrow] 18 champions
Qarosslan
2nd equal
TRIVIUM [TVM] 2 champions
Qarosslan
2nd equal
The More the Merrier [*TMM] 2 champions
Ragallon
1st
The Colony [TCol] 13 champions
Ragallon
2nd
Dark Blight [DB] 7 champions
Ragallon
3rd
Harmless? [H?] 4 champions
Rill Archipelago
1st
Harmless? [H?] 21 champions
Rill Archipelago
2nd
The Crows [Crow] 4 champions
Rill Archipelago
3rd
Slaves to Armok [StA] 1 champion
Stormstone Island
1st
Harmless? [H?] 12 champions
Stormstone Island
2nd
Dwarven Druids [Druid] 7 champions
Stormstone Island
3rd
The Crows [Crow] 6 champions
Tallimar
1st
Harmless? [H?] 22 champions
Tallimar
2nd equal
Calaquendi Crow [Calcr] 1 champion
Tallimar
2nd equal
The Eagles Nest [^TEN^] 1 champion
Tamarin
1st
Crows Nest [nCrow] 18 champions
Tamarin
2nd equal
Fairy Road Authority [Roads] 3 champions
Tamarin
2nd equal
Elysian Fields [Shade] 3 champions
Taomist
1st=
Calaquendi Crow [Calcr] 9 champions
Taomist
1st=
Æsir [Æsir] 9 champions
Taomist
3rd
Dwarven Lords [Dlord] 3 champions
The Wastes
1st
Elysian Fields [Shade] 13 champions
The Wastes
2nd
SnugglersCrowalition [HUGcr] 4 champions
The Wastes
3rd
Kaendran Crows [KCrow] 3 champions
The Western Realms
1st=
Dark Empire [DARK] 12 champions
The Western Realms
1st=
Pending... [Soon™] 12 champions
The Western Realms
3rd
Wheel of Time [WoT] 1 champion
Tor Carrock
1st
Elysian Fields [Shade] 6 champions
Tor Carrock
2nd equal
Res Ipsa Loquitor [RES] 4 champions
Tor Carrock
2nd equal
Dark Empire [DARK] 4 champions
Trome
1st
Absaroke [Absa] 11 champions
Trome
2nd
The Crows [Crow] 9 champions
Trome
3rd
Crows Nest [nCrow] 4 champions
Turalia
1st
Absaroke [Absa] 6 champions
Turalia
2nd
Victrix [VICX] 5 champions
Turalia
3rd
The Crow's Wings [CrowW] 4 champions
Ursor
1st
The Crows [Crow] 23 champions
Ursor
2nd equal
TRIVIUM [TVM] 1 champion
Ursor
2nd equal
The Crow's Wings [CrowW] 1 champion
Windlost
1st
Elysian Fields [Shade] 13 champions
Windlost
2nd
Murder of Crows [mCrow] 3 champions
Windlost
3rd
SnugglersCrowalition [HUGcr] 2 champions
Wolgast
1st
EAGLES EYRIE [EE] 14 champions
Wolgast
2nd
TRIVIUM [TVM] 4 champions
Wolgast
3rd
Pending... [Soon™] 3 champions
Zanpur
1st
Victrix [VICX] 12 champions
Zanpur
2nd
The Crows [Crow] 6 champions
Zanpur
3rd
Affirmative Action [A.A.] 3 champions

At the regional level, it was fascinating to see the regional dominance of some alliances (eg. VicX in Larn and Kem).

Alliance Prestige Pool Prizes have now been gifted.

Well done all.

Best,

SC



Replies:
Posted By: Diva
Date Posted: 14 May 2013 at 03:11
Congrats to the winners and participants of the Tournament. You are all winners!   Thumbs Up

Diva


Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 14 May 2013 at 03:13
Congrats y'all!

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Posted By: GirlFromHell
Date Posted: 14 May 2013 at 06:07
Woohoo!
Congratulations to everyone who worked hard at this! Tourneys are awesome :3
-Edit: Spelling-


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Posted By: Yhina
Date Posted: 14 May 2013 at 10:30
Congratulations to all, winners and non-winners alike.. maybe next time.

By the way, shouldn't all tied get same reward? I see many of those tied at second rank, but how about 3rd?

Example, windlost.

Since
Yesterday
Now Since
Midnight
Alliance Champions Won
No Change 1 No Change Elysian Fields [Shade] 13
No Change 2 No Change Murder of Crows [mCrow] 3
No Change 3 No Change SnugglersCrowalition [HUGcr] 2
No Change 3 No Change The More the Merrier [*TMM] 2
No Change 3 No Change The Liberation [HEAT] 2
No Change 6 No Change Pending... [Soon™] 1
No Change 6 No Change Illy Training Ground [ITG] 1

Here, three alliances tied for 3rd rank, even if alphabetically Snugglers show up first, shouldn't all three get the prize? ( I can understand that if there was 2 x 1st, or 2x 2nds, not to be any third.. but why one and not the other 2?)

cheers,


Posted By: auel
Date Posted: 14 May 2013 at 10:38
I think Yhina makes a very reasonable point here, surely equal achievement deserves an equal reward and should not be dictated simply by an accident of the the alphabet.  Explanation please LUNA. Confused


Posted By: GM Stormcrow
Date Posted: 14 May 2013 at 11:24
Originally posted by auel auel wrote:

I think Yhina makes a very reasonable point here, surely equal achievement deserves an equal reward and should not be dictated simply by an accident of the the alphabet.  Explanation please LUNA. Confused

Nothing to do with Luna - my fault entirely, I'm afraid.  Embarrassed 

All alliances tied for third place should, of course, get the reward (if they haven't already) - and I'll make this good in the next 24hrs.

Apologies,

SC


Posted By: Agent Parnell
Date Posted: 14 May 2013 at 16:08
I looked in the original prizes and rewards thread but just for clarification, is prestige the only rewards given SC? I heard something about medals and i understand there were individual medals but what about alliance ones for 1st - 3rd? Also great job to all those who participated. 


Posted By: GM Luna
Date Posted: 14 May 2013 at 16:22
Only medals were the ones people got for getting champions.

Luna

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Posted By: GM Stormcrow
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 00:12
Again, sheepish apologies for those alliances left off rewards by my frankly appalling SQL Embarrassed

This is what happens when I write it instead of TC :)

Having reviewed everything, I feel the following awards are appropriate, and will be giving them out shortly.  However, if anyone still thinks I've missed something, please don't hesitate to let me know (in this thread, which I'm watching please).

Best,

SC

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UPDATES TO REGIONAL WINNERS

In addition to the winners mentioned above, I'm adding (due to a calculation error on our part, apologies) the following alliances for the following squares and positions:

  • The Old Republic [TOR] deserves 3rd= for Meilla
  • Slaves to Armok [StA] deserves 3rd= for Middle Kingdom
  • Dwarven Lords [Dlord] deserves 3rd= for Middle Kingdom
  • The Crows [Crow]  deserves 2nd= for Tallimar
  • Dwarven Lords [Dlord] deserves 3rd= for Western Realms
  • Kaendran Crows [KCrow] deserves 3rd= for Western Realms
  • Asgard [argh] deserves 3rd= for Western Realms
  • The More the Merrier [*TMM] deserves 3rd= for Windlost
  • The Liberation [HEAT] deserves 3rd= for Windlost
Congratulations to all the above alliances.  If I manage to edit the official record above (given this crappy forum software which someone in authority should really do something about, ohwai...), I'll make sure you're in there too :)

Best,

SC




Posted By: Malek
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 00:54
Thanks for the update SC,

How are you travelling for the rest of the stats for the tourney i.e units killed etc?

Regards,

Malek


Posted By: GM Stormcrow
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 01:39
Updates to missing '=' places are now done, anyone who thinks they didn't get their dues, please speak out it this thread!

Originally posted by Malek Malek wrote:

Thanks for the update SC,

How are you travelling for the rest of the stats for the tourney i.e units killed etc?

Regards,

Malek

On the way!

Best,

SC


Posted By: GM Stormcrow
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 02:45
Actually, TC and I have just been discussing the datasets and how to cut them.

What we're wondering is...

How would the tournament participants feel about a full or semi-full data set that you yourselves could analyse...?

We're talking a dump of each and every combat during the tournies, all participants and casualties etc.  Think of it as an entire XML dataset (we'd probably release it as flat files for download expediency!) of the full system logs for any combat on tournament squares during the tournie.

This would let everyone cut the data anyway they liked.  We're totally willing to accept anonymisation etc, though we equally accept that the granularity of that could also be compromised by other data sources that we do make public.

ofc, we're still happy to produce the tournie aggregate data ourselves as well, or indeed some hybrid where we aggregate data by some variables that largely anonymise data (eg by day, by attacker/defender, by unit type lost etc, but leaving out players and alliances.)

I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this?  (And I'm sure you do!)

Please pitch in here...!

SC


Posted By: GM Stormcrow
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 02:47
I should add that we'd mostly be interested in someone (or some different people) producing a really interesting public dataset here as well. I certainly wouldn't want this dataset being in the wholly exclusive provenance of technically-capable entities!


Posted By: Malek
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 02:53
I think that this would be a great idea.

Excellent Suggestion SC. 

Regards,

Malek


Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 03:00
I don't object to having data from tournament squares released, as long as it is accurate.  Everyone already knows that my armies are pathetic anyway.

I would be willing to coordinate a team to create a publicly useful dataset (with the ability to create simple reports, perhaps, as well as simply to grab the raw data and manipulate it).  I do not have the skills to do the work myself, but I am willing to find the people with these abilities and bribe them with cows, if necessary.


Posted By: Northern Ranger
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 03:35
As a starter, I'd like to see the exact same stats as were given in the last tournament.  My impression is that this tournament had WAY more units involved than the last one, and I'm really interested in seeing the numbers for comparison!
 
Making the raw data available for download on top of that would be awesome.
 
Cheers!
NR
 


Posted By: dittobite
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 05:50
am i correct in understanding that NO Tournament Medal will be given to top 3 alliances for winning the tournament as done in previous tournies? 



Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 06:04
right, no tournament medals for the winners, just for the people who got champions.


Posted By: Anjire
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 13:59
I would love to have access to the data set file to cut up all different ways.

I was not able to post any of the publicly available data that I compiled for this tournament onto the Illy forums but I did share it via a link to a google doc.   


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Posted By: dittobite
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 01:05
So not only do the members who were unable to WIN a champ because they arrived at squares late/used all their men supporting other alliance members to hold the square get NO CHAMPS, they also get no tourney medal either.  So they get nothing basically for 1 month of effort (100 prestige per alliance per square won is nothing)?


Posted By: The Duke
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 03:20
Originally posted by dittobite dittobite wrote:

So not only do the members who were unable to WIN a champ because they arrived at squares late/used all their men supporting other alliance members to hold the square get NO CHAMPS, they also get no tourney medal either.  So they get nothing basically for 1 month of effort (100 prestige per alliance per square won is nothing)?
A lil Harsh ditto but I would Echo the same sentiments, I was under the impression the medals would go to the top 3 alliances like previosly- not individuals. That being said the top 3 alliances have nearly 100 members- broken down thats not very much prestige per player. And nothing for those who were slower to the squares/ were unlucky enough to lose the square minutes before being taken over. 

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Posted By: Malek
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 04:28
I have to agree with the previous two posts. In the rules of the tournament it states;
 
"The devious-minded might suspect that the tournament has been set up this way to reward alliances who can cooperate and organize themselves well, rather than just those with a few huge players."

If this is the case and alliance cooperation was needed why is there not a medal for the first 3 alliances' player that participated. What actually did happen was essentially the reverse with those "few huge players" the ones that ended up with the most medals, off the top of my head

- DD89              10
-Ditto                 9
- Empress olivia    9
Though this is good for the players, the rest of the alliance (in this case H? and Crow), provided the troop support throughout the tourney for these players to be able to get their medals for that achievement. To me the individual medals nullify's the great support shown by the top 3 alliances players by them contributing a lot of the work for no reward. What makes the lack of a medal harder to swallow is the pretense that this tourney was all about alliance teamwork and coordination yet only individuals were rewarded.  The amount of effort that went into the tourney by all was astronomical due to the tourney mechanics and to not see that hard work rewarded for all in those top 3 alliances is a little disappointing, especially considering how close the tourney was for first and third positions. 


Posted By: Anjire
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 14:07
I mentioned it several times that this tourney was a modified Prisoner's Dilemma scenario.

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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 15:39
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI9jFp0cnig

Disclaimer:  I may or may not agree with the sentiment expressed in this video it may just have peaked my sense of humor in the context of the current discussion, also clicking links I post may lead to undesirable side effects such as laughter.


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Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 16:12
I agree with KP - feel free to revoke my medals if it means anything to you - I had fun and thats what matters to me :)

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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 17:26
I thought the purpose of the tournament was to relieve me of my excess troops so I was no longer suffering from negative gold.  And it accomplished that very well!


Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 19:10
Rill thats what Audrey feeding is for.  

I agree with the sentiment it could have been more alliance focused.  Randomness was bad as well.

Hoping the next tournament won't be a repeat king of the hill.  


Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 22:03
I agree with others who have pointed out this tourney required alliance coordination and we have many members who did NOT earn a medal but were helping the alliance on multiple squares.    While the least favorite of all the tourneys so far, I did have a great time coordinating with my fellow alliance mates, the last day was both thrilling and a nail bitter  (kudos to Crows again).    I'd rather give up my individual medal in favor of the alliance medals that go to all members in H.     We won as a team, not as individuals.

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Posted By: Ossian
Date Posted: 19 May 2013 at 13:59
Originally posted by Starry Starry wrote:

...the last day was both thrilling and a nail bitter ... 
Absolutely Big smile


Posted By: Anjire
Date Posted: 23 May 2013 at 20:03
Originally posted by GM Stormcrow GM Stormcrow wrote:

Actually, TC and I have just been discussing the datasets and how to cut them.

What we're wondering is...

How would the tournament participants feel about a full or semi-full data set that you yourselves could analyse...?

We're talking a dump of each and every combat during the tournies, all participants and casualties etc.  Think of it as an entire XML dataset (we'd probably release it as flat files for download expediency!) of the full system logs for any combat on tournament squares during the tournie.

This would let everyone cut the data anyway they liked.  We're totally willing to accept anonymisation etc, though we equally accept that the granularity of that could also be compromised by other data sources that we do make public.

ofc, we're still happy to produce the tournie aggregate data ourselves as well, or indeed some hybrid where we aggregate data by some variables that largely anonymise data (eg by day, by attacker/defender, by unit type lost etc, but leaving out players and alliances.)

I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this?  (And I'm sure you do!)

Please pitch in here...!

SC

Can we get an update:  I have a unassigned petition from May 1st submitted at the request of Luna plus there was a good amount of input in this thread.  


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Posted By: Malek
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 03:27
How are we going on the release of stats for the tourney or the data file to assess the information ourselves?



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