not shure where it can be found...

http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/inactive-large-accounts_topic5077.html" rel="nofollow - http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/inactive-large-accounts_topic5077.html

So yea same counter sentiment as in that thread.  

And to tell where on elgea you came up with 2nd most prolific commented compliant?  I've heard this compliant from few very few as in like <5 maybe 10.  Meanwhile I've heard plenty of other issues by way more.  

Also out of curiosity whats number 1 most prolific commented complain?  and 3rd?  

The first most commented complaint on player mechanics would be newbs starting alliances or newb upstarts, or franly the now defunct trove war.

Read the above fully before commenting please. I said player  mechanics, not game mechanics.Game mechanics complaints abound.

... Excellent argument abounds with logic.

Sliveen wrote: The first most commented complaint on player mechanics would be newbs starting alliances or newb upstarts, or franly the now defunct trove war.

So in your fun mental math, the most complained about thing is newbs starting alliances...or soup war... 

Who are you talking to in this game where you came up with that as number 1?  Also not to mention devs have zero control over whether anybody goes to war or not.  

Sliveen wrote: Read the above fully before commenting please. I said player  mechanics, not game mechanics.Game mechanics complaints abound.

If you have bought, or been gifted an account you are breaking the rules. 

If your alliance is sitting on an account, they are breaking the rules. 

Those big players that are tired and want a break? They shuld quit and start over when and if they come back. Or they should trudge along. Or abandon their accounts. Giving those accounts to other players is not acceptable. Why have rules the rest of s follow so that a few can use those resources to build huge armies, or sit on all the resouce plots on the map? 

Frankly, they should be turned in. Everyone should be turning in those people who are breaking the rules!!!

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My impression is that account sitting is meant to accommodate a player who has to be temporarily absent from the game for an extended period, not to accommodate a player who decides to leave the game indefiinitely.

If that is in fact the case, then account sitting does need a time limit to prevent abuse. As to what time limit is appropriate, that would be up to the devs to decide. Personally I think 30 days in any given 12-month period should be more than enough. When that time limit expires the account should be deleted.

I don't know if an account sitter can in turn select another sitter for the same account; if that is possible it should be eliminated. The owning player should only be allowed to select one sitter, and only the owning player should be allowed to change the sitter.

Good job finding the rules please follow them yourself.  

Sliveen wrote: If your alliance is sitting on an account, they are breaking the rules.

Alliances can't sit accounts so not against the rules, it simply can't be done.  So thank you for showing your knowledge of the 'sitting' mechanic.  Please go read up on those

Sliveen wrote: Those big players that are tired and want a break? They shuld quit and start over when and if they come back. Or they should trudge along. Or abandon their accounts. Giving those accounts to other players is not acceptable. Why have rules the rest of s follow so that a few can use those resources to build huge armies, or sit on all the resouce plots on the map?

If I want to take a break for a month why shouldn't I let someone sit the account?  Perhaps you haven't noticed but thats part of the reason for the sitting mechanic.   

Sliveen wrote: Frankly, they should be turned in. Everyone should be turning in those people who are breaking the rules!!!

Tons of people hmm?  As near as I can tell any reference to, whats most problematic and how many people have problems with it is completely made up by you.  So please point out these 'tons of people'

Tell me about this handful of players running the illy politics?  I want to meet them.  

Also you say tons of people compalin. A ton is 2k. I have seen maybe 5 to 10 people complain.

Please give one or two examples. These tons of people need to speak up about these hundreds of accounts being perma-sat.

If you can't be specific, it's very hard to get other people to agree.

I know some players that were sat for long periods of time cause of real life emergencies and tragedies.  They plan on coming back they may have spent money on prestige maybe not but why should they have to give up 6minths a year 2 years of work cause they can not play for a few months.

I can understand the point of view of perma sat accounts they people quit they do not plan on coming back but the account is being grown by a sitter.. sometimes people are in denial they want the person to change their mind.  burn out happens and people come back... most perma sat accounts people get tired of caring for in the long run and the hope is gone and they let them go.  So really instead of making a huge issue out of something that sooner or later will work itself out lets focus on what is really important. 

We never know if they are going to show up again, and you can't really ask people to dump their friends just because you "feel" there are too many perma sat accounts.

So really youre ending the same place with this as we did earlier - there is no good solution at this point.

*typo

 

...but seriously I  actually prefer playing in games where vacation mode is used as an alternative to sitting.  In my view sitting leaves itself open to the worst offence that a gamer could commit. By this I mean "multi accounting" or "push accounts".

 

When extended sitting is permitted for extended periods, to my mind,  the original player has passed ownership of the account to someone else (along with their committment to the game). I would say that where a player leaves the account for 12 months, or even as little as 3 months,  then they have effectively abandoned the game  and that it is entirely unfair to others to allow them to renter an account that has been played by proxy for such a long period.

 

However if  a form of Vacation mode were introduced, excluding sitting and effectively freezing the account (protecting it from attacks etc) then that would allow  players to leave and return for longer periods ( not more than 3 months , imo).

 

Having said that -  Silveen's suggestions in the first two opening posts seem the best alternative when operating a sitting arrangement which would not be open to abuse and would be prevented  by setting  a time limit for sitting. ( Silveen seems to indicates that it should be renewable after each  sitting session). The 30 day absentee time limit for account closure would also seem reasonable.

 

I would urge the Devs to look at this as a matter of priority.

much better if game mechanics protected a sat account in the same way as new player protection, but the sitter not being able to queue production, buildings or research

if someone leaves the account for someone to sit, if and when they return the account should be at the same stage as when they left..... this would greatly reduce the benefits of any abuse of account sitting, 

it would mean the player picks up where they left of, instead of jumping forward in development (leaving the game when the account has only 2 towns and only knowing the bare basics of the game, coming back 10 months later to 8 cities, some of them huge or even legendary)

so, either freezing an account.... or letting someone sit the account, but only in order to keep it alive, with heavy restrictions, would imo be the best way forward

Examples please. Numbers please.

It's easy to say there is this big problem. If you can prove it, you may persuade others to take up your cause.

If sitting an account while waiting for the user is abuse then yes it is.  On a similar note I'm sure you think people abuse cav when they use them to kill off bows defending on plains.  Even though you know thats in part exactly what they are designed to do.  

Ah cool so instead when I come back my cities are just able to magically teleport to wherever I want.  Sure thats an interesting way of doing things.  And yes its always good to single out smaller players by not letting them use a part of the game they currently can. 

Your 'solutions' are getting worse and worse.  I say to solve the solution of people complaining about cheaters we just ban those people from the forum.  Then no1 will complain.  Thats a horrible idea but luckily right on par with yours.

And yes there is negativity, because lets face it when someone spews a bad idea you respond with 'don't do that' not 'good job'  Stuffing your fingers in  your ears and not addressing problems with your idea will not get it implemented faster even if you could eventually create a 'good idea' that addressed the problem.  Or convince people that your idea was in fact good to start.  

If you can't have a rational discussion then perhaps you don't belong on the forums.  In otherwords, GM luna please ask this troll to get off this forum!!!