I'd like to also applaud the coalition forces for their honour and integrity, and join Hath and hopefully many others in working towards bringing peace to Illyriad for as long as is possible

This should conclude The Great Consone War, iirc.

There was many a great intellect I enjoyed sparing with over the last 6 months, and my hats off to you.

Or

"The Great 'C' War" (Consone/Coalition)

Canes, were fighting for a Trove mine?

I was not.

While RES declared formal war on WE only, once Consone alliances engaged RES armies in defense of WE, RES, reciprocated.  This is why you encountered so many RES armies reinforcing tigre's warg pit,  and there were RES armies assisting in breaking sieges at H? cities, and other sundry actions versus non-WE Consone.

Well, the other Consone's didn't declare on RES, they just attacked our camps.  So, turnabout is fair play, right?  I was a little surprised that Consone did not declare war on RES when RES declared on WE.  But, yet Consone was still interested in stepping into the RES/WE conflict.  Oh well, go figure.

The formal declaration, in game mechanic terms, is just changing colors to red from gold.  For RES, only having WE formally at war meant all red units to RES were WE units which was sometimes useful info from watching the world map.  It has always been common for wars to be waged without formal declarations in Illy - again, due to no real game mechanic.  Also, often when a war is declared, the losing alliance simply fades away leaving the victor with a "war" listed on its alliance page for a long time.

I was surprised that WE decided to work over tigre's warg pit instead of any of the many RES cities in that area.  Certainly the RES cities were a much greater threat to WE than that lone BSH city.

but it was one of the only signs as no other attacks was really sent to other towns of ours in the war, it showed clearly that consone couldn't even siege and raze one town so close to theirs and at least a week away from any reinforcements from us, pitiful really.

Yup.

The Blood Broken Lands War  

In the Absa alliance forum, you can see the long term goals of Absa in an old thread. It was to stay as a small alliance and not loose interest in the game by rushing. 

What did you achieve by destroying our towns? Prevented world domination? Good for you! 

With your "entity" stories it sounds like Consone's ultimate goal was to take down H?. Since when? 

White obviously wanted to take H? down, but it certainly wasnt the aim of Consone. Do you really think Jasche would have announced officially the creation of this project if his hiden evil plan was to grow a major force to take you down? Let me laugh. If their real plan was so, ties would have been kept secret and revealed the D-day of war for world domination only... oh wait, that's exactly what you did. 

During all the war you have proclamed Consone was a major force or entity created to dominate Illy. But still i dont buy this propaganda. Maybe Consone would have brought some competition during tourneys (and even im not sure of that as alliances of Consone would have been forced to fight each other), but it never threatened H? other than by its size. And if i remember well, it was even H? who constantly provoked notely VIC about land claims or so. War was even started on Absa while they were self defending against a siege... telling that self-defending against a siege was an offense and a reason for war... i mean now it makes me sincerely laugh.

Before the war, nobody in Consone from what i know did anything against H?, and i never heard anybody in Consone ever saying to take H? down, not even as a joke. 

So please dont say Consone actively wanted to take down H?. H? felt threatened by the size of Consone, that's a sure thing, and wanted to act before it grew more, but that only was a feeling. From my knowledge, in no time H? have been obviously threatened in any manner by any action.

Consone needed some more time to mature and be better organisated (which have been said over and over) and clarify their objectives further for everyone, maybe should it have been officialised only when it was finalized... But it never intended to become a world mastermind or else... and as i said, if Consone leaders truely had bad intentions, you wouldnt have been officially awared of any such organisation... 

So in no time you can say Consone aimed at taking your place or anyone's. 

You only went at war cause you didnt know the Consone leaders very well, cause you didnt want to know them better, cause you got scared for you stats and cause you needed a "worthy" opponent to fight with anyway. That's all i can accept to read as to explain the initiation of this war. 

But be sure i for one will forgive H? when enough water will have flowed under bridges. Just give it some time. 

Nobody cares what you buy personally, but everyone does care for facts ... now if you think that they made such a topic :

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to show off their strength and never meant to use it, then do tell us how you define "intimidation tactics" .?.  

Also given that OPK doesn't even exit in game, no one cares because well an account with no units still can't do anything.  So stop hiding and use ur real account name if you want to act like your important.  Then again i guess thats part of your fantasy again isn't it.  

Everything makes much more sense from that perspective, and perhaps its fun I shall join the like of OPK and rorgash(spelling?

I shall from hence forth believe I am king of illy as my first decree, OPK is no longer allowed to spout non-sense.  

2nd decree I retire and leave everything to rorgash to figure out.

The announcement of Consone appeared to me at the time as intended to intimidate.  Hence all the Consone posts about its size and expanse across Illy.

I noted increased aggression from various Consone members after its formation.  I also noted no willingness by Consone to constrain its members from hostilities.  Jasche's reply was always "This is not a Consone matter."  It was a Consone matter.  And now Consone doesn't matter.

OPK is my secondly made account. My first one was Mandarins31, an ex-leader in VIC. 

I was one of those who had the idea about making a new kind of confederacy. So i know what is the root of Consone. 

About my personal story, i left the game in last July, i think it was little after Jasche announced the creation of Consone on the forum, because i was too buisy IRL and it had to last for long. I came back on my alt, OPK when i had a bit more time, and i was astonished when i saw H? declared a war over Consone, it was in October. 

I admit that i didnt really participate in the project of Consone much more than building up the concept and giving ideas, but i can tell you how i thought about this future organisation when i was first creating it's concept with the other leaders of VIC.

Very basically, we noticed one thing: alliances all around Illyriad have confederations, but when you follow the links of the confederation of alliances, you can see it generally goes in all directions. 

Alliance A could be confed with Alliance B, alliance B confed with alliance C, and alliance C neutral with alliance A but being confed with an alliance D, which might be at war with A. 

While logically, you could think "the friends of my friends are my friends", so that alliance C should be confed with alliance A, cause C is confed with B which is confed with A. 

"The friends of my friends are my friends", friendly alliances should make groups of confederates, each alliance being confed with each other. Crows already do that, but maybe could it be interesting to see if we can have more intrication between the alliances of a ring of confederacies. Sounds very exciting!

That's the root concept of what was then called Consone.

Consone certainly lacked of some organisation, maybe some players did some mistakes... i wasnt there between July and October, but i know my mates, and i know what were my and our aims. It was having fun in a prosperous alliance and a prosperous confederacy where we would develop friendship under the banner of a ring of confederacies. No harm intended to anyone, and we uphold to compete between friends during official tourneys. It was also planned (and some have been done) to create our own tourneys for players in the ring of confederacies (we had ideas for very funny games), or even share those tourneys with external alliances, all that with attractive prices. Well that was one of the plans we had for this confederacy... you may think we are "pink flowers" it all turned around fun and friendship... i know from personnal experience that there is nothing funnier than a friendly but strong competition between friends, with fair play and respect. 

This was the root of the ring of confederacy then named Consone. An exciting project which would have certainly benefit to a lot of players in and outside it. 

I personnally had much respect and admiration for H? leaders, who did so much for this game, notely by wiping out White, creating an atmosphere of peace, guides and calculation sheets, and the still best begginers alliance, T?. Why on earth would we have wanted to compete with H? for their leading role over Illy while they were doing it so well, permitting us to have projects like Consone?

Though, I admit i wanted our alliance to be able to offer H? a fair fight during tourneys, would have been exciting to offer a real competition to H? one day.

A game is made to have fun, and that's what we wanted to work on. We thought we could bring the game to a new degree of funnability, at least for the people involved in the confederacy, but for others too.

Call me a dreamer or a fanciful person. Now i think we all were.

But it's a game, why should it be like in reality where we are all against each others following our own goals, which are the mask of our own profit? Why couldnt we be dreamers and make a game a different place than reality? Think about it. Yes again, i am a dreamer and a fanciful person, and i hope this wont change.

 

The purpose of a power-block is to exert power.  No more, no less.  Either to dissuade others from confronting the block or to use the block to exert force on others.  Unfortunately, Consone was a power-block with no leadership, as many Consone players stated many times publicly.

I'm really happy, that this war finally is over!

I can state, that the fear of the small chance of getting picked by H? as a target after the Valar war was there in many alliances joining, but never had been the main reason. And definitly not to take over the lead anywhere. When coming together, I myself didn't even realize the huge number of pop we had combined, and obviously, we weren't prepared for war...

+1, Thanks Llyorn

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If  people stiil feel the need to get things of their chest then I have set up a seperate forum in The Caravanserai

LOL indeed

+1

Have fun bashing H, we honored our commitment and I am very proud of our stance.

Look, no.  There were other reasons, I've seen them.  This incited psudo-quote you're throwing around may indicated that this may have been one of them, but it also may not be.  EE had legitimate reasons to declare.  If Harmless? wants to defend them, that's ya'lls business, but this one-man smear campaign is really unseemly.  

Nobody asked me to share them.  I don't really need to.  It's no secret.  Check out some player histories in TVM if you're interested.  I've never heard of this "common knowledge" before now, but the psudo-quote remark was in reference to the fact that he put it in quotations, implying it was exact phrasing, while explicitly stating that he didn't remember what that exact phrasing was.  

He can if he puts it in quotes.  Anyway, this was never at any time supposed to be the main point. 

KP, EE did cease hostilities against the coalition. Without having seen the peace treaty between EE and H?, it seems like you are implying that "Cease hostilities" = "cease hostilities for all of eternity." I think there is room for debate on your interpretation, as you did not specify a time frame. Again I am basing this off of the above comments, and not anything that EE or H? discussed, so I am likely wrong. 

Along a similar political thought, I have a quandary for you... since your initial peace treaty was with the entity of EE. If EE were to disband and all the members formed a new alliance with new governance/leadership, would you hold all of the same members to the previous treaty? 

Not trying to poke fun or anything, just curious how the greatest Illyriad power views these sort of things. 

You may call the actions of H? overly and unneeded legalistic, but surly not unjustified. Diplomacy works with the assumptions, that treaties are to be kept, otherwise you wouldn´t need them anyways...

ok, so after the Consone war ended EE agreed to a peace treaty that involved not to attack one of the Coaliation alliances anymore, right?

And they declared war to TVM..i guess...

And so H? declared war on EE because they've broken that treaty.. i guess ^^

Ok, so now from a neutral point of view.

For how long will that peace treaty last? And there's no reason whatsoever that justifies that pact being broken?

I mean, (this is merely an example).. let's say someone from TVM (i guess those were the involved folks KP mentioned) diplo's someone from EE...

EE can't go to war with TVM because they have to honor the agreement.. but that would mean TVM (again, just an example) can do whatever they want with EE wihout fear of consequences..

Also, for how long would that treaty last? Forever?

Ok, other question.. So EE goes to war to honor a confed.. Wait, they can't, because if they honor a confed they break the treaty..

In all honesty, i can't believe EE accepted to such terms in the first place!!!

If they did accept, without any observation whatsover, i must say i understand H? logic..

Now my personal ramblings..

I'm not a war person, i enjoy the pace of the game, with it's random tourney's and whatnot. But illy seems to be turning into a personal battlefield for some folks, and that is scaring ppl away.

Half the server is being dragged into this!! I've been hearing talks of server wide war for weeks, and in all honesty this just seems to have been orchestrated a long time ago by some ppl behind the curtains (dunno who, b4 you ask), and now,we, the paws (sp?), are being dragged into this.. And i see talks of "revenge" and "settling things".. C'mon.. Really???? If you hate each other, drop your alliances and kill yourselves..don't drag other ppl to solve it!!!

And here i thought warcraft was a violent game.. maybe i should return.. I still can finish Pandaria content.. -_-

ps. sorry for my EngRish..this is so not my first language..

@Darkwords

And indeed "agreed to cease" is unspecified in connection to time (as infitives don´t denote any time), but so it holds true for all time untill changed, at least that is a possible interpretation that H? seems to be referring to... (It is a problem in syllogistics, for example if "A is B" means "A is always B" or not) 

P.S. Split is a town in Croatia :p ;) No, thanks for the correction! Can only improve my english...

Dark - check your math.  Illy has been in existence since Feb 2010, or about 44 months.  EE managed to keep it's promise for 6 months, which is 13.6% of the existence of Illy, not one quarter as you claim.  Either way, EE agreed to peace terms which they then reneged on by attacking one of the signatories to that peace treaty.