Failed Siege
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Topic: Failed Siege
Posted By: Kompanion
Subject: Failed Siege
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2013 at 18:39
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I sent troops to clear: http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Map/-778/14/4 My alt then sieged the city and selected the storm and capture. However, they were greeted by forces who destroyed them. I lost 500 soldiers and 30 catapults. Approximately three hours after my failed siege, the clearing army from my alt attacked the city and found no defenders. Where do these phantom defenders come from? Have the devs activated ghost troops to defend the accounts of the abandoned? |
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Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2013 at 18:50
| Komp - I have seen several cases where a clearing army encounters no troops then a seige army arrives shortly later and engages troops - this has happened at inactive cities. |
Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2013 at 23:16
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I have seen this happen, a friend cleared some infringing troops from a rare res but the ghosts still killed his harvesters. Sent more troops and nothing there, scouts and nothing there. ------------- 
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Posted By: manochandar
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2013 at 12:45
| the same happened to my friend this morning he cleared the troops in the town later the siege army went in to capture he had troops in the town.and failed.why does this happens so? |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2013 at 13:26
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I have found this before (even with npcs), in my experience it only occurs when the clearance attack and proper attack are timed within the same 90 secs or so. This prooved very problematic for me during the elemental tourney when I was co-ordinating cav clearances with small occupations. I just learnt to give a little more time between each attack. I guess that this maybe purposefull so as to give defenders a chance to organise troops, by forcing the attacker not to co-ordinate attacks just seconds appart. |
Posted By: manochandar
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2013 at 13:31
| dark the clearing army was 1 day before the capturing army went in |
Posted By: Kompanion
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2013 at 16:31
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It sounds like I am not the only person this has happened to with the difference being that my clearing army cleared the town quite a while before my storm & capture.
25 Feb 2013 02:36:53 I cleared Purgatory's Gate with Kompanion.
26 Feb 2013 02:28:05 I sieged Oenomaus's town of Purgatory's Gate with my alt.
26 Feb 2013 21:39:37 My alts army stormed to capture Purgatory's Gate.
26 Feb 2013 21:59:36 My siege army was destroyed after having cleared an inactive town.
27 Feb 2013 01:29:35 My alts army arrived at Purgatory's Gate and found no defenders.
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Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2013 at 16:36
| The glitch seems to "hide" defenders from armies that do not include siege machines only to "reveal" these defending troops when an army with siege machines enters the city. |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2013 at 17:03
OUCH, you sure the account was inactive? |
manochandar wrote:Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2013 at 18:16
| Darkwords, we've seen this many times on inactive accounts. |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2013 at 18:21
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Is it many times, or every time? Been a while since I seged an inactive. Just wondering if the devs have writen something in to make inactives armies only fight against seige forces. |
Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2013 at 19:38
| _every_time, I can not say for certain. Most times, yes. Most of the inactive city's troops will engage clearing armies. But when a siege - whether strafing or storming to raze/capture - enters the city, suddenly there are fresh troops - not assigned to an army as if just produced from barracks. I've seen about 50 troops appear just a few minutes after a clearing army passed through so there was no way that was current build queue completing between armies. |
Posted By: Kompanion
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2013 at 23:32
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There were 500 troops or so to greet my siege army. The account had gone about 71 days since the last log in. There couldn't have been anything in queue. I used prestige in an effort to beat the devs from deleting the account of the city I wished to siege. After further contemplation I am guessing that Karma has been incorporated into the game mechanics. |
Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 00:24
| WOW! 500 ghost troops! That's much more than we've encountered in RES. |
Posted By: R88
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 05:50
it is the underground resistance saving there town!  ------------- 
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Posted By: manochandar
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 14:06
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yeah dark the account was inactive. i got a clue, the commanders were alive(defy death) only troops were wiped out.so the commanders defended the towns
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Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 20:14
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OK, here is a Scout Report, Clearing Attack Battle Report, and Siege Storming Battle Report that illustrates the Ghost Troops issue. Note that Gruntfuttock has been inactive since about January 2. Scout Mission to 1. The Solar Hifi System Partially Successful Sent By: System Received By: El_Jeffe [RES] Date: 04 Mar 2013 12:48 Operation From: Perseverance El_Jeffe [RES] Operation Against: 1. The Solar Hifi System at [-98|-405] in Tor Carrock Gruntfuttock Operation Type: Scout Operation Outcome: Partially Successful Mission Report: Your diplomatic mission was detected, but still managed to complete the objective! As they were being watched, however, they were apprehended after the mission was completed. Before their capture, an agent released a carrier pigeon home. Information Gathered: Troop levels present, belonging to player: Type: Unit: Quantity: Army: pike army Division: pike Army: solar group Division: solar group m@a Commander: man at arms Man-at-Arms 1 - CMDR Assassinated later Troops: Men-at-Arms 344 Division: solar group chariot Troops: Knights 322 Division: solar group Quantril chariot Troops: Longbowmen 422 Division: solar group knight Division: solar group sword Troops: Militiamen 422 Troops: Pikemen 73 Army: KNIGHTS Division: KNIGHTS Commander: Sir Charge Knight 1 Troops: Knights 1403 Army: The GMG Possy Division: possy Commander: Chariot Charioteer 1 Troops: Archers 230 Army: down Division: deeper and down Commander: Quantrill chariot Charioteer 1 - CMDR Assassinated later Troops: Catapults 26 Troops: Charioteers 422 Troops: Swordsmen 200 Troops: Knights 1926 Troops: Archers 782 Troop levels present, foreign reinforcements: Type: Unit: Quantity: Troop levels from this city, abroad: Type: Unit: Quantity: __________________________ Victorious battle against Gruntfuttock's forces at 1. The Solar Hifi System by The_Dude's forces from King Ranch Sent By: System Received By: The_Dude [RES] Date: 05 Mar 2013 19:24 Two opposing forces clash against each other. Cavalry comes into its own when able to strike hostile forces at will, and from unexpected directions - and nowhere is this more feasible than on open plains. Lightly armoured spear units, however, prefer terrain where there's some cover available. Fighting defensively on open plains, cavalry draws strength from the ability to form and reform their lines of engagement depending on the direction of battle, and it is here where cavalry excels. Attackers: Unit: Quantity: Casualties: Survivors: Commander: Knight Knight 1 Damaged for 86, 514 health remains. Troops: Knights 4000 3451 549 Defenders: Unit: Quantity: Casualties: Survivors: Troops: Men-at-Arms 344 344 0 Troops: Knights 322 322 0 Troops: Longbowmen 422 422 0 Troops: Militiamen 422 422 0 Troops: Pikemen 73 73 0 Commander: Sir Charge Knight 1 Damaged for 600, 0 health remains. Troops: Knights 1403 1403 0 Commander: Chariot Charioteer 1 Damaged for 350, 0 health remains. Troops: Archers 230 230 0 Troops: Charioteers 422 422 0 Troops: Catapults 26 26 0 Troops: Swordsmen 200 200 0 Troops: Knights 1926 1926 0 Troops: Archers 782 782 0 Resources Seized from outside the City: Resources: Amount: 54900 Commander Sir Charge narrowly avoided a fatal blow, and lives to fight another day. Commander Chariot narrowly avoided a fatal blow, and lives to fight another day. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Victorious battle against Gruntfuttock's forces at 1. The Solar Hifi System by The_Dude's forces from Santa Fe Sent By: System Received By: The_Dude [RES] Date: 07 Mar 2013 19:56 Two opposing forces clash against each other. Cavalry comes into its own when able to strike hostile forces at will, and from unexpected directions - and nowhere is this more feasible than on open plains. Lightly armoured spear units, however, prefer terrain where there's some cover available. Fighting defensively on open plains, cavalry draws strength from the ability to form and reform their lines of engagement depending on the direction of battle, and it is here where cavalry excels. Attackers: Unit: Quantity: Casualties: Survivors: Commander: Pikeman Pikeman 1 Damaged for 2, 198 health remains. Troops: Catapults 15 0 15 Troops: Men-at-Arms 50 2 48 Troops: Battering rams 15 1 14 Troops: Knights 2000 43 1957 Defenders: Unit: Quantity: Casualties: Survivors: Troops: Swordsmen 262 262 0 ---------------------------------------------------------- So, there was about 31 hours between the Scout report and the clearing attack. The clearing attack killed all the units in the scout report. No new units appeared on the clearing attack report. So if no new units are produced during 31 hours on the inactive account, then there were no units in the barracks queue. Also, Level 20 Barracks with no Sov produces 6 Swordsman per hour. About 48 hours interval between clearing attack and storming attack - 288 units should have been produced if this was barracks queue. Gruntfuttock was unaligned and there was no Cmdr/Army so these could not have been reinforcements that arrived post clearing attack. So where did the 262 Swordsmen come from? They're ghosts, I say! Ghosts! |