Elven Spirit Bow
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Topic: Elven Spirit Bow
Posted By: Elmindra
Subject: Elven Spirit Bow
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 16:29
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Given the recent revelation that this item is in game and currently discoverable, I would like to open up a discussion to help solve this mystery. It seems that simple crafting research alone is not responsible, given that a few players have confirmed all crafting research done and no discovery. Therefore, we must assume that the secret lies down some other path. The first clue would be in the actual description of the bow: "The manufacture of the Bow is not merely a mechanical task, but is in many ways a spiritual process. And likewise, it's use is meditative as much as martial." From this information, one would assume this reinforces the fact that research alone will not unlock the secret. Furthermore, there are additional descriptors that I feel reinforce this as well: "Wise and reflective elf" and it's arrows "Ride the sunlight" Now looking at known map locations I feel is a start. And the first one that seems to fit the bill would be the Temple of Reason 295/-165. I would ask that anyone else express their thoughts or ideas, as I am not by far the most knowledgeable person on special locations in Illy.
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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 18:00
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Temple of Reason would match up with the Dwarven Champion's Armor description leading players to Duraz Karag. Seems something must be done to these locations to unlock their secrets. Even more confusing is if any player can unlock the secrets, or if you must be a certain race or have a certain building to unlock. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/45534" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 18:51
| It would stand to reason that a player has to have sufficient research completed in order to be "deemed" ready to learn their special racial recipie from an outside source. I have all manner of diplos headed to the temple, but I don't quite have all of my bow research done. Possibly if someone who had these items researched were to delve further into this. |
Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 19:05
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I have all armor researched in the town i sent my diplomats from to Duraz Karag. All Diplomats returned with the same cryptic message. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/45534" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 16:40
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Upon further investigation I have found this: Your diplomatic mission from Ambrosia arrives at [295|-165] in Perrigor , and find it buzzing with debate and speculation, scientific demonstrations and learned lectures. They find it hard to understand most of what is said. But they suspect that clever diplomats - such as Advanced Spies - would be able to learn a lot from these philosophers and scientists. I have over 50 crafting recipies researched in this town, including a number of bows. From another town with advanced spies sent and quite a few bow researches done: Your Spies are inspired by the many debates, lectures and demonstrations in the courtyards of the Temple of Reason. Many of the ideas confirm the understandings of your own wisest people, and your diplomats enjoy the opportunity to relax here. They suspect that diplomats from less well educated towns than yours would learn a great deal here. But coming from such a well-schooled settlement as yours, they do not learn anything new. So, this may not be a location that offers any additional insight on the Elven Spirit Bow. I am sending a seasoned commander with a retinue of Trueshots to see if they may learn anything else.
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Posted By: Llyr
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 17:19
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The Temple of Reason mystery has already been solved; see Illytools for details. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/187558" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 17:58
That rules out the Temple of Reason as being related to the Elven Spirit Bow. Any other elvish locations on the map? ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/45534" rel="nofollow"> |
Llyr wrote:Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 19:16
| Are you sure someone did ALL the new crafting and trading research? If so I say well done! |
Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 19:53
| I don't think enough time has passes to complete both the crafting AND the trade techs. I'm a long way from completing them and I have been consistently researching since they were released. |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 20:57
| I have completed all crafting res, but have only recently begun on the trade techs. Got a looong way to go for that. |
Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 22:35
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No one has done all of both, but some players have confirmed that they have completed ALL of the crafting research. Since this research is under it's own tab and completing 20 of these unlocks the racial horse, one would assume unlocking the second racial research would be tied to this tab. I also understand the Temple of Reason mystery has been solved, and was just looking for a world location that would link to the description of the Elven Spirit Bow. Since the GM's have confirmed that it is unlockable, and we can safely assume that it is tied to crafting research but can also confirm that simply researching is not enough. It would stand to reason that the secret must lay in a combination of research and a world location, especially since other mysteries involve locations around the world of Illyriad.
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Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 23:44
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It could be unlocked through trade research, or it might require certain buildings at certain levels combined with crafting research. For example the 'clues' regarding meditation maybe hinting that you need a level 20 mage tower. For all we know there could even be some new locations that we are not aware of. Has anyone read through all the elven faction descriptions to see if there seem to be any clues amongst those. I seem to remember one of them is famed for its archers, perhaps they hold the secret. |
Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 00:07
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I agree with the new locations, and possibly the mage tower thing since mana is a requirement for crafting. I do not agree that it would take all of the trade research as well, since that would require the trade buildings to simply discover a bow recipie and doesn't make much sense. Elven factions are a good idea, as are new locations possibly on the map. I can't help but think there must be something, especially given the actual location given in the Dwarven Champion armor description.
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Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 14:33
| Another avenue of thought would be building levels. Anyone with all bow or all crafting research try having a lvl 20 library and lvl 20 mage guild? It could be possible that a lvl 20 bowyer is required as well, seeing how the racial sword was unlocked after building the swordsmith. |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 19:03
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Or maybe you would have to equip trueshots with bows and send them into combat. The number of troops and bows involved might be significant.The idea would be that the archers would bind a part of their spirit to the bows during warfare and get the discovery thus. Or maybe you even need to scavenge bows after a massive defeat to get the discovery. |
Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 19:11
| The bow was introduced prior the ability to scavenge equipment. |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 19:17
| So we can rule out defeat then. -maybe in a victorious city defense? |
Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 19:19
| It's a possibility indeed. Also mentioned was possibly having to create a certain number of special bows, or at least 1 of every type of bow. |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 19:36
| That would be a more simple solution I agree. |
Posted By: Auraya
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 20:00
| Arnesson has already crafted every single type of bow and no discovery :( |
Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 20:08
| Now this is getting good. If that is so, does Arnesson have a lvl 20 Mage Tower/Library/Bowyer in this city as well? That would eliminate some more options. |
Posted By: Auraya
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 20:13
| You'd have to ask him but definitely the lvl 20 bowyer. |
Posted By: demdigs
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 16:20
| anyone find anything out about the elven spirit bows? I am at a loss |
Posted By: Nesse
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2013 at 19:14
I've got that. And all bows manufactured. No spirit bow in sight. :( |
Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2013 at 19:28
| Well done indeed Nesse, wow! Well, the only option not explored would be a total completion of ALL trade research (which I highly doubt would be the case) OR there is a location or set of locations on the map itself that if found and explored could lead to the discovery of this bow. |
Posted By: Nesse
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2013 at 19:51
| I should clarify that it is Odd that has made all bows. More relevant, since he is an elf. :P |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2013 at 21:59
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Guys when I do research I find that swapping crafting focus unlocks more research options. To access a certain bow you have to have a certain sword researched first etc. Am I the only one to have this impression? |
Posted By: Daefis
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2013 at 22:10
| no not just you Tordenkaffen. It's designed to make you demolish and rebuild craft buildings again and again :) |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2013 at 22:46
And they thought they had done all the research...
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Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 03:04
| Yes Tord, I have done ALL the crafting research. |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 06:50
| Alright, if you say so :) |
Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 10:29
Are you talking about regular research or discoveries? As regular research can be seen in the research tree, it's not to hard to get those additional swapping of focus done... except for the ludicrious long times it needs to research bows and plates  But... has anyone tried the workshop specifications already? Or built more than one bowyer (or however it is spelt...)? |
Posted By: Auraya
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 16:58
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Hmm.. specialise in the bowyer, demolish, rebuild, specialise in next bow type, demolish, rebuild etc? It's a long shot, I think there's more merit in the location idea but it's something we could rule out if someone with a level 1 bowyer who has done all the research is happy to try. I was thinking about trade options. For instance, maybe you have to sell one of each type of bow that you have made.. or it could be random when selling bows. If someone has 1 of each bow made, I'd happily buy them all and ship them back.
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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 19:20
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I have a hunch this is related to a location or faction within the game. Any Elvish map locations out there? ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/45534" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Grainne
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 19:48
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Anyone with bowyer built and crafting research underway still doing the plain ol' tavern quests? I know that seems simplistic--but many of us are not "questing" anymore to make room for the new buildings. Just a simple idea. (she said hopefully......) ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/45918" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Littlejonah
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2013 at 00:13
| Anyone have other ideas? I have just added level 20 bowyer and I am doing the quests. I will let you know if I find anything |
Posted By: EvilKatia
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2013 at 05:37
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he is referring ot the fact htat if u build for example a bowyer lvl 5 then do all the unlock research then build a swordsmith and do all the unlock research.....u'll have to build the bowyer again cause some swords unlock a new bow research etc etc I will be SO happy when its all done /me sigh ------------- Kat 'They have to always turn a forum post into a badly written book that gives a headache and takes your iq points' - AO |
Posted By: Grainne
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 01:07
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I think we're looking for an Elven map location...any thoughts? The Dwarves are looking at Duraz Kurag for their armor; is it possible DK is the "magic location" for all races? Two factions that are Elven which may hold some clue (and I'm really "stretching it"--nothing is very clear).... 1--Brotherhood of Kerala (trade hub="City of Temples"): "The experience changed them, emotionally and spiritually, just as the thorns had changed their physical body...." Also interesting, "Dark Elves" are repeatedly mentioned in this description, which could be a clue as to what type of diplomatic units to send should we figure out where to send them. 2--Turyn: This faction links to Clan Bealegh in "faction standings", Clan Bealegh has a connection to Duraz Kurag. Which stars Kevin Bacon. (kidding) As well, the faction "symbol" features a sword and a BOW. hmmmmm.... I would love to hear what anyone gleans from those faction descriptions, or if you have another idea or another faction. I do think we're looking for a map location versus number of recipes complete, bowyer present, etc. (Although, Temple of Reason requires certain levels--and are we certain that the Temple has only one purpose? Many of us have felt ToR mystery was not especially worth the effort--is there more to learn there?) ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/45918" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 14:47
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I love the ideas. I will say that Temple of Reason was my very first thought, and I have sent all manner of diplos and even different configurations of troops there since. They all came back saying that I am too advanced to learn any more from them. The factions may be the key, but the trade hubs are not able to be targeted by diplos. Maybe a keen search of the surrounding areas will yield some more clues.
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Posted By: MoguI
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2013 at 08:57
Few players?
??? So where is mistake in this: Crafting was released 1. August or maybe 31. July 2012 (http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/31jul12-major-release-crafting_topic3895.html) And counting together everything under crafting research tree, it needs 195 days and 8 hours to research it all. 195 days since 31. July will pass in about 4 days from now... so how could people have all crafting research done already one month ago? |
Posted By: Mayflower
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2013 at 11:44
| So people have all the bows researched and still no spirit bow? Dang it I'm a week away from all the research! Effort wasted... |
Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2013 at 19:38
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Another thought after some GC conversation was this: There are many structures that we take for granted across the map. Camps, lodges, buildings, ruined towers and the like. One interesting structure is the House of the Spirits. I have noticed them in Laoshin, and I wonder if maybe something like this could hold the key. ------------- 
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Posted By: Anjire
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2013 at 19:53
The House of Spirits are sprinkled across the map much like "ruined temples" in Kumala. I think you would have to find a "specially" named one along the lines of the Fortune Teller vs. Gypsy Camp. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/26125" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2013 at 21:34
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I am beginning to think no location based event is required to discover the bow, or the orc sword, dwarvish plate, or human mail. There must be some hidden achievement required to unlock these items... maybe crafting X amount of items? Any elves out there that have crafted over 1,000 special bows? 10,000? 100 of each? ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/45534" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: dspn23
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2013 at 01:50
| i have all trade research for quite a long time :D though i'm not a elf :P |
Posted By: Miradamian
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2013 at 19:34
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Greetings, I have produced over 3k of one special type of bow. No discovery of Elven Spirit Bow. |
Posted By: Miradamian
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2013 at 19:45
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I would like to add that given the GM's obsession (and rightly so) with game balance it is likelly that the bow is a discovery available to most players. In other words, I do not believe its about internal city structure levels or highly advanced tech's. That leaves me to suspect outside city environment primarily. Also since seemingly no race has found their speciality its most likely to me that the discovery will be available at next expansion. Just my thoughts. M |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2013 at 22:28
| It has been confirmed by SC that these discoveries are already available, therefore clearly it is just something none of us have accomplished or done yet that unlocks them. |
Posted By: abadonia
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2013 at 17:54
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I am currently on a quest to do all bow research, upgrade mage tower and library to 20 and get 1 million mana and research points, hoping this is the answer |
Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2013 at 20:14
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I have tried reading 10K books in a fully researched crafting town. This down not yield any result. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/45534" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: ickyfritz
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 02:51
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Just a stab in the dark here. Does anyone have a Runemaster's Grounding tower after researching runeweaving? Haven't researched that far yet, but sure someone has. Wouldn't think too many have this based on that branch of magic. |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 04:08
| there are people who have runemaster's groundings. I might or might not be one of them. As I am not an elf it would not have resulted in a spirit bow anyway. I don't think this is a productive enough line of inquiry that I would attempt to convince Ryelle to build one. |
Posted By: Auraya
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 09:15
| Anyone sent one of each to Audrey? Probably not the answer but ruling it out might be nice. |
Posted By: Mayflower
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 11:42
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This won't really help, but I think that when we finally figure out the answer it will be something so simple that we will all facepalm. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/105635" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Trelling
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 20:36
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i was thinking about this over the last fews days and wondered if we could petition the Devs [ie GM Storm] for a clue for each races discovery ? as an Illy Easter Egg so to speak ? i mean, lets face it, we are currently totally stumped on how to proceed forward on this for all races ... ------------- In a world where data is coin of the realm, and transmissions are guarded by no better sentinels than man-made codes and corruptible devices, there is no such thing as a secret. Dr Kio Masada |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 23:49
| We are also stumped on things that have been ingame for much longer and have asked for hints on them, I doubt you would achieve anything by petitioning this other than annoying Luna. |
Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2013 at 02:21
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You forget trelling the whole point of the discoveries is to be stumped! Although I do admit certain discoveries like the statue quest weren't very full filling. In fact I would say the same about any send units around to x sq's on the map. But all the current discoveries we know about are either quest random. Or looking for odd spots on the map. Plus the 10 city discovery. It would seem reasonable that these discoveries work the same way. After all they are meant to be fun, and how boring would it be to just wait to craft 1000 weapons or something like that. I suggest scouring the 4M sq's of map some more!
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Posted By: Ossian
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2013 at 11:01
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Posted By: Beecks
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 00:30
| FYI for anyone trying it: I've completed all the trade research and it did not unlock the Spirit Bow. I have not completed all the crafting and trade research in a single city yet. I'll post another update in 6 months ;p |
Posted By: demdigs
Date Posted: 18 May 2013 at 16:42
| anyone have any luck with the spirit bow yet? |
Posted By: arnesson
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 16:53
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Archery City: Crafting Research: Complete Crafting: At least 1 of every weapon, army and horse crafted Fletcher: L20 Bowyer: L20 Archers Field: L20 Tanner: L20 Mage Tower: L20 Tavern: L20 Brewery: L20 Barracks: L20 Bowyer Sovereignty: V Temple of Reason visited. I am baffled! |
Posted By: demdigs
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 17:37
| I am going for 10k specialized bows of one type, we will see how well this goes |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 17:47
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I recall SC mentioning that we "would have to work for it" back when crafting was introduced. In truth it could mean anything, but it kinda suggests to me that we would have to produce large amounts of weaponry before the discovery unlocks. It could be a 0,001% chance for each crafted item or some such. ------------- "FYI - if you had any balls you'd be posting under your in-game name." - KP |
Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 18:23
| There are so many players crafting that statistically your suggestion seems impossible. "Work it out" is slang for "figure out the answer". There is something that needs to be done, either within cities or on the map, to unlock the racial discovery. I would speculate that it's probably the same thing for each race, much like the horse. |
Posted By: Llyr
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 19:41
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I'm not working on this at all, but my suspicion is that it involves visiting a number of different map areas with a specific unit type. Similar to the Statues mystery. Perhaps visits to racial faction hubs (unless that's been tried already). ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/187558" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 20:43
He did not say "work it out", he said "and some of the veteran players will find that they will have to work to get these discoveries." The phrasing that suggested doing something laborous of some kind - which I at the time assumed referred to research, but which could refer to anything. Also, you call it a statiscical impossibility, but for the sake of example lets say that the unlock % is 0,001, you'd have to build 100k advanced bows to be sure the discovery unlocked. Add to that the minimum reqs to trigger the discovery which could have been put in place to prevent players from gaining the discovery in the first attempt (which would suck for those having to do 50k+), and the fact that not all players crafting work with bows, I'd say my theory still has some merit. But its still on a speculative level of course. ------------- "FYI - if you had any balls you'd be posting under your in-game name." - KP |
Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2013 at 02:44
| Tor, that's now how statistical math works. The success equation would be 1-(1-S)^N, where S is the individual chance of success, and N the number of attempts. Consider how many units and crafted items have been made by all Illyriad players. The value for S would have to be preposterously tiny for nobody to have discovered it after such a large N. I am not saying the discovery isn't tied to crafting or troops, I am saying that mathematically it would be nearly impossible for it to be a random chance of discovery with no other rules. |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2013 at 10:51
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Brandmeister - how many crafted items have been made by Illyriad players? Just in the ballpark.
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Posted By: demdigs
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2013 at 01:15
| i created over 10k specialized bows, still nothing, also i am currently working on creating a bowyer for every single type of bow possible, we will see what happens then. if anyone has any other ideas i am about out |
Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2013 at 18:59
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Just to add to the discussion, I have crafted over 20K specialized armor in 1 town, and no discovery. I think it is similar to the steamtastic brewery. We have to send certain units to certain locations to unlock it. I have tried dispatching diplo units to dwarven faction hubs, with no success. I doubt this involved a matter of chance. It wouldn't be fair for some players to unlock instantly, and some have to wait forever. I originally thought that the quest system could of been used to unlock the specialty weapons/armor. But i have not had any luck with that either. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/45534" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: demdigs
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2013 at 20:47
| what are all the elven sites in this game? other then hubs that is. |
Posted By: Emeraldis
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2013 at 02:33
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Based on what we know about the crafting of some of these rare items. We probably need to research and find either a place or a trainer to LEARN the necessary requirements for the bow. Searching sacred oaks got me nowhere.Now i am onto the houses of spirits. Also all the Elven faction hubs to see what they have to say So who knows what i will find
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Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2013 at 05:20
| If you find nothing, please consider being so kind as to post your failed attempts on the Map Experiment Graveyard, or this thread. |
Posted By: demdigs
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2013 at 15:38
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is there a list of all elf locations on the map we can try? |
Posted By: arnesson
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2013 at 22:01
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Update on my Archery City: Crafting Research: Complete Crafting: At least 1 of every weapon, army and horse crafted Fletcher: L20 Bowyer: L20 Archers Field: L20 Tanner: L20 Mage Tower: L20 Tavern: L20 Brewery: L20 Barracks: L20 Runemasters Grounding: L20 Geomancers Retreat: L20 Bowyer Sovereignty: V Temple of Reason visited. Still no luck! |
Posted By: Auraya
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2013 at 22:27
| I'm working my way through building a full 20 bowyer sov structures, having 4x lvl 20 bowyers, building 1000 of each bow type and then visiting all the different elven hubs with the bows created. I'll let you know how that little lot goes.. the bow building is taking some time, I do confess (even with the bow sov!) |
Posted By: Brandmeister
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2013 at 23:30
| Auraya, sov doesn't affect crafting times, does it? I thought it only affected basic item production. I know because I built Ritterrustung Platz to do super-fast plate armor crafting, and then realized that the sov didn't make it any faster. |
Posted By: Yhina
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2013 at 17:22
| it doesn't indeed.. just more bowyers (with decreasing effects) or spec-ed bowyer... |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2013 at 08:53
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I dont know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but just incase they haven't I can confirm that completing all research in your city does nothing to help for these discoveries. |
Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2013 at 10:03
...oh... that's bad news... just was 40 days away from this 
Did you try additional actions, like Temple of reason, or other stuff after getting the research done?
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Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2013 at 11:07
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I have sent spies and scouts to temple of reason but to no avail. I think that the devs would not tie it into research anyway as it would put new players at such a big disadvantage. Still I am trying to get all 10 cities in my main account complete on research just incase that makes a difference, but that will take a fair bit more time, 7 cities done so far but 2 of the other 3 are far off. |
Posted By: Anjire
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2013 at 11:28
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Per Shadow in GC, a player has received tasks to complete that appear to be Spirit Bow related after visiting the Fortune Teller a multiple times. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/26125" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Lwyllyn
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2013 at 08:42
| I've noticed map locations called House of the Spirits. Does anybody know how many there are? Maybe they are tied to this... |
Posted By: ropadope
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2013 at 15:55
| That is very interesting Lwy. Do you have coords for those? |
Posted By: ubluntu
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2013 at 17:20
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There are 877 map tiles with TerrainSpecificTypeID=148 'House of the Spirits', all positive x and y coordinates, not sure if that means anything. 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Posted By: Aral
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2013 at 17:32
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Ubluntu, could you please do the same thing for the map location "gypsy camp"? ------------- Aral Llc is not responsible for any grievous bodily harm sustained while reading this signature. No rights reserved. |
Posted By: ubluntu
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2013 at 21:56
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Posted By: Epidemic
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2013 at 01:05
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Ubluntu, i'm going to want to contract you to locate several different terrain types for me. I think the terrain we need to find for the fortune teller is TerrainSpecificTypeID=157. |
Posted By: Sisren
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2013 at 01:51
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Epi- it's rather easy to parse the XML file... ever want to give it a try? ------------- Illy is different from Physics- Reactions are rarely Equal, and rarely the opposite of what you'd expect... |
Posted By: Tatharion
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2013 at 02:52
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Hello Sisren, I would be happy to learn how to proceed on this. Can you help? Thanks, Tatharion ------------- Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong. |
Posted By: Epidemic
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2013 at 04:13
Sure, give me instructions on how to do it or show me a youtube video that'll explain it. |
Posted By: Cerridwyn
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2013 at 23:32
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I've not been paying attention to this for a long time, forgot about it even. What if you had to have the other elven crafting discoveries first, i.e, thoroughbred and sword, in the same town? -------------  Cerridwyn ~-~ Cerdwyn 
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Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2013 at 04:18
| Most of us have had these for a very long time... they do not seem to be connected |
Posted By: Malek
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2013 at 13:01
Epi, I dumped the information out of the world map and identified 2 terrain 157's both were a bust. That is not updated daily as the others are so we may have to look elsewhere. |
Posted By: ubluntu
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2013 at 17:33
Looks like you found one of Excel's limitations(I'm assuming you're using Excel, sorry if not), the datafile_worldmap.txt had all 4 fortune teller locations at that time(2012), as shown here from MySQL(handles large data sets MUCH better).
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Posted By: Malek
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2013 at 00:35
I used excel, as soon as i returned the first 2 locations and looked at them and noted no FT's I didn't bother to much. If the worldmap was updated daily it would work. As to finding the FT's in a more efficient manner than scanning the map, well its back to the drawing board. Any other ideas would be good.
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Posted By: Tyrande Whisperwinds
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2013 at 22:42
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Ok, this is going to sound totally, completely and utterly insane.. BUUUUUT here's my 2 cents ^^ I was checking my alt today and noticed one funny thing. One of my cities, which was captured from an elf player (my alt is a human btw), retained the discovery of the former elf race for the sword. What if we have to learn all 4 races discovery to unlock the special weapon for us. So, i'm sugesting. If u're, let's say an elf, and want an elf spirit bow, let's say you could try this. Have an human (just example) city discover the racial sword. Have an orc player capture it and discover the racial sword. Have a dwarf player to capture it and discover the racial sword. Finally you (an elf) capture the city and..maaaayyyybbe..voila ^^ So, pretty crazy huh?
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Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2013 at 22:49
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That would be the cooperation of 4 players. The city would be sieged 3 times (or in short the city would be gone). And only players with 9 cities or less would even be able to attempt. Something tells me it probably isn't that.
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Posted By: Tyrande Whisperwinds
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2013 at 22:54
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No, players with 10 cities would be able to get it.. but you would have to give ur town out for capture (ask friends to do it) and then after all 3 others races had it, u could reaquire it back..
yea, the city would be reduced to 0 pop, but wouldn't be gone.. No one said it would be easy, right ? ^^
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Posted By: Gragnog
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2013 at 11:20
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My 2 cents: Too much speculation and use of external aids to achieve the impossible. The devs are not stupid and the discovery will be obtainable with what is available in game. To have to rely on external aids to achieve an ingame discovery seems just stupid. ------------- Kaggen is my human half |