TLR has not been involved in the Great Trove War conflict as far as I can recall. Bonfyr Verboo and wonka of TLR have attacked me recently, militarily and with diplos, and now a siege is in place. This came as a great surprise to me! What is happening!? I have not done any of these players any harm whatsoever that would require them to retaliate in such a hostile manner.

I do not ask for compensation, but all I ask from these players is a public apology over their actions. My nerves are already frayed over this war, and being blindsided by people that I consider to be good neighbors is very, very disheartening.

I think they are into the war too. 

Though not unexpected, since EF has been very forthright about who is good and who is bad for Illy according to him. War makes new friends, new enemies.

Myr: I never said that the side here is unbiased and correct? I just wanted an explanation as to why a neutral party actively tried to siege me. If they want to attack, then let them join the opposing side. Make things clearer. Of course, you would know much about joining the opposing side.

Look who's talking. I am yet to get a response from Myr to my IGM as to what grievance NC had with us for declaring war.

When someone do not disclose their reasons for war publicly and make invites for IGMs instead, it is probably because they don't have a reason they can publicly state. Is it not easier to state once in a forum than to respond to mails from multiple folks?

ES2 wrote: let me tell you if someone came up with a good insult for H? and friends I'd be saying it too.

Every training alliance in illyriad,  Harmless"

As you stated you already have made fun of h?  none of your old ones any good then?

I would be interested in the outcome of this situation, and whether it was an unsanctioned breach of neutrality or TLR is joining the war.  

Yes, I read the original post.  The argument was being made that EF has not been observing his neutrality because he seems to be making more jokes about Consone.  This statement is in response to that. 

There are neutral alliances in this war, but sometimes those neutral alliances contain alt or main accounts of players who have their second account in not neutral alliance.

Then motivation to unprovoked siege attacks can be also attempt to drag whole alliance into the war.

Wouldn't your pride have stopped you from jumping a much smaller alliance that was already exhausted from war?  And do you honestly expect anyone to believe that your suddenly being overmatched had nothing to do with the conflict suddenly being settled?  Seriously, this is getting stupid.  Your war is long over, leave it.  

You can be biased and still be neutral.  I'm not even saying he is.  But even if he was criticizing one side, if he doesn't interfere in the conflict, or help anyone who is, he's neutral.  

 

 

You may be on to something here...Another point to make is that some players join an alliance but never participate, like most games of this genre, they do their own thing. The unprovoked attacks could be an instance of either one of these.

Though this is the wrong thread for it, this war is in no way about what H? has done in the past, it's about what Consone is now.  Most references to H?'s past are Consone and allies trying to drum up support.  

As to you other point, EF had been willing to end to the war for some time, it was your end that had to end up agreeing.  I saw no evidence of him being "abandoned".  (And how on earth would I have read your mails to your alliance?)

Learning from history and remembering history are both different from bringing it up to troll people on every thread that mentions them.  

I am going to take issue with this one statement.  If your entire information about this war was the public forums and GC, then you are basing your information only the tip of of the iceberg reactionary.

There was a great deal of backroom negotiating, venting, and diplomacy going on at all levels.  Additionally, At least one alliance was actively helping support and defend STEEL.  More players were mobilizing but:  Put simply, NC was more mobile and organized.  Once they completed their objective they ended hostilities before any real escalation was called for or occurred.  

No he hasn't as a matter of fact he is just b****ing about this to make him self seem like the good guy.

I as being with the diplomatic contingent in TLR am in the midst of writing a letter to post on the forums and to email to Druid and any other necessary alliances to state our position on this war AND this siege. 

Why is Taron involved?  He's Aesir and not Confed with either TLR or Druid.  

Not sure what relevance the TLR/Dlord or TLR/N NAPs have to do with any of this, either.

Taron can't resist any opportunity to vent his butthurt over Aesir getting trounced when they failed to extinguish TLR. No matter how thin or unsubstantiated the connection, Taron will be there with disdain-tinged commentary full of judgement, incomplete sentences, misspellings, and statements that just plain don't make sense.

It's entertaining, but you'll give yourself a headache trying to make sense out of it.

Incorrect.  

I reckon you should talk to the person who held the city prior to it's destruction.

Some had troops there prior to it being known that NC was the group attacking...

And yet, STEEL's Confed...AEsomething... did they help directly?

This POes me.  

NC was organized for sure, however they also had other things to consider at the time, I reckon.

Sure, I would like to know if these two TLR members worked as a duo or as part of a wider strategy of an Alliance taking sides in a war without actually declaring. Obviously I would want to know, I have LOTS of TLR cities and towns around me. 

I guess I will just have to wait and see if there is more news about this. 

If EF says he feels blindsided and irked that this happened, I would tend to believe him.

He is a hoopy frood that does know where his towel is, not some jive talkin turkey.

Many would use it to demean and denigrate their enemies, and attempt to demoralize them.

And therefore reflects more favorably toward the opinion that (to whatever degree) some slight or offense has been done to bring on the assault. Again, at least from what I see.

Would you care to clarify that rather bold statement?  Specifically, "several opportunistic alliances".  It's just a small comment, but I'm curious. And neutral.

I think that was me being blindsided by neutral players, not EF.

Well there are alliances that Consone have no issue with and who have no known issue with Consone, but have also jumped into the war. Curse is a good example. Maybe opportunistic is the wrong word here, but if its not then I do not know what it is.

What is your fixation with boxes?  Anyway, what I said was that I don't have any messages from you.  I have more than enough information to form my opinion.  In any event, information is not at issue.  Regardless of what may have happened, you need to stop trolling every thread you can vaguely relate back too it.  That is the point here.  

I kind of lost you on that second half, but it seems like you quoted me saying this thread is silly, which is false.  Silly things may be happening in it, but it obviously springs from a legitimate issue.  Then you started talking about overweight Native Americans and I lost you.  

If you think that's bad, how about an unprovoked actual siege with 20 mangonels?

Firstly Juswin, if you believe anyone to be 'neutral' you are a fool.  Everyone's aim is to survive, and everyone has an interest within that aim.  If you don't see that well then, I wish you luck.  The thing is that this is currently a rather nasty inter-relationship diagram.  Actions do not always have equal nor opposite reactions.  You set siege to some volks' friend - were you expecting a 'no reaction' ?

Secondly, I was not referring to you.  I was referring to EF - it would seem he had operators conducting an operation without his knowledge.

You wanted to address the issue so badly you ran to the forums?  welcome to the freak show...  It would have been easier and quicker to resolve this with EF via IGM.  But that's not really Consone's way to deal with things...  maybe yall should declare war as a whole on TLR.  ;)

It would be par for the coarse, no?

Or an alternate theory could be that Curse doesn't like seeing their friends bullied by a bunch of jive talkin turkeys...

/me shrugs

 

Some seem to think it's acceptable because they think this is a war game, those of us who have played real war games can only shake our heads and laugh at the insinuation that Illyriad can be classified as such.

 

Lets wait and see what happens over the next 48hrs or so. Those involved will let it be known what transpires.

Its par for the course.

I have never sieged TLR folks during this conflict nor have I conducted sieges against their former ally fromfrak. Can't a man ask for common courtesy? I do hope you recognize the gravity of the situation. If you just siege random people who you feel have affronted you, what has illy sunk to then?

In this thread, I have never heard the name FromFrak mentioned and from all the former members of TLR who have changed alliances (for whatever reasons).. why single that individual out? 

How did you know about her being from TLR to come to that conclusion so readily and emphatically, that you never sieged that particular person, in light of the fact she was never brought up? 

Is it possible you aided in attacks on her when she WAS being sieged? Is that how you know of her?

Just wondering how you came to single her out in this event.

Now as for TLR being involved, as the leader of Dlord and to my current knowledge, as an alliance, they are not involved in the war toward any specific side. Thus for whatever reason, the attacks are not WAR based (one side or the other) but apparently based on something else.

I agree he can ask for a reason for what happened.. it is his right to ask, but in putting it up in the forums has nothing to do with getting answers but sympathy and a place to whine. If they wont answer his mails what is the sam-hill will placing them in forum make them do?

Again, the vast majority of attacks in this game are due to consequences of actions we ourselves have done. To presume every action we do will have the specific re-action we want or have determined permissible is poorly conceived. Something else is in play besides the war apparently.. 

The only alliances I can think of off the top of my head are White/Black, and I suppose if you were going to go really anti-H? and ignore all the other alliances who were in that war, TMM....

That is right, consequences of action I should have done. Except that I have not done anything to wonka and Bonfyr of TLR.

H? did NOT destroy any of those alliances.  Most White quit Illy due to burn-out.  I know, they told me so.  Many Black migrated to other alliances but now most have quit, I think.

H? actually wanted to keep TMM/Nige around for a recurring hostile to fight from time to time.  Shadar Logoth and I destroyed TMM/Nige instead.  I razed over 20 TMM cities.

If you cared to read the first post, you should have known how to, you know, connect the dots, as to who I am. Or something like that. Jeez.

Everybody makes mistakes and learn from them.

Here is my mistake : a message for You freaking ganging up cowards...

So, regardless of official responses from TLR and EF, it would be foolish for me to assume TLR neutrality as Bonfry Verboo is one of my closest neighbors. 

Easy to imagine many scenarios how this "undeclared" war could widen.

Let's hope the siege against jonazz gets recalled soon as well. I really don't want to engage any TLR troops, I would much rather reserve my efforts against DLords and others who are actually declared.

Which means absolutely nothing since you know, forum accounts aren't linked to game accounts.

Jive talkin turkey... and today's thanksgiving... turkey day...

Just want to point out that Barbara Billingsley speaks jive, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0j2dVuhr6s&playnext=1&list=PL8E78FEDA5EB1A200&feature=results_main" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0j2dVuhr6s&playnext=1&list=PL8E78FEDA5EB1A200&feature=results_main

(Salient part begins at 0:58 or so. Oh, and don't have the fish.)