2mil pop (2.5 mil pop less than World's end), they got 9th in the Dark Harvest tourney... Yeah I don't know much either.

Interesting enough though.

No, intelligence does.

...

You seem to take offense at TCol's war declaration.

You Jab me unfairly Jabbels 

I was merely mentioning WE will have the industrial advantage whilst TCol have the density advantage, something that can never be overlooked.

If one side or the other shows up to clarify things, so the better! Otherwise facts (or else simple facts) will have to suffice.

 

Curse declares war on WE, no reason given on forums.

RES declares war on WE, no reason given on forums.

POOP (aka Blyrr) is not in the war, but carries out attacks on WE.  No reason given in forums.

N sends troops and diplos against WE (not sure if there's a war declaration lying around somewhere)

TCol declares war against WE, and states that it is doing so on the forums.  No reason given.

VALAR declares support for Consone, notice given on the forums.

 

I do not think any other alliance is facing this sort of pressure, and you can be sure there will be lots of dodging tactics going on, but realistically I don't think a single alliance in Illy could take that on and win.  Not even the mighty H? would withstand such a concerted effort from so many points of origin.  WE do not have the luxury of any strategy except that of attempting to survive.  That is not really what I call a war, it is really more a co-ordinated effort at total suppression.

 

WE has asked for peace, but since RMY is apparently not given access to the H? forums, she can't exactly go there, despite HM saying that WE are not asking for peace.  WE have, repeatedly, but it is ignored.  If the rest of the Curse/TCol coalition members pile on (BSH and SCH) well so be it, although I don't think anyone in WE knows many of them.

 

You talk of troops numbers.  Try building them when you have over 200 diplo notifications a day in your mail box (and yes I have decent diplo defence), and yes DLords I am looking at you here.  Eventually you know you'll lose some commanders, buildings or resources, no matter how nimbly you try and shift around troops and res.  Try building them when you're invaded several times a day by many thousands of troops and see how far you get with no resources.  Yes, Curse and ~N~ I am looking at you.   To devise a strategy you have to HAVE some numbers, or the capability to build them.  That is being systematically throttled out of WE, probably for some political reason unknown to me.  When you come up with a strategy to compete with that, shoot me an IGM will you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 Points of note:

More fact checking:

The only troops between ~N~ and WE that have met were when my troops hit Shanks at a siege she was at. We have sent no raids or attacks at any cities that I am aware of, let alone WE. 

As far as WE having more attacks than the other alliances, well I think that's because WE had made more enemies than the other alliances. Perhaps you can talk to your alliance leader or whoever takes care of your diplomatic relations to find out why those alliances aren't fond of WE. They are under no obligation to state their reasons here. They have seen an opportunity to strike and seized it. 

Oh yeah, last time I checked, having unread mail does not prevent you from creating troops. Unless there is an update of which I am not aware. 

As for "Oh yeah, last time I checked, having unread mail does not prevent you from creating troops. Unless there is an update of which I am not aware. "  This of itself is nothing, but as I pointed out, " Eventually you know you'll lose some commanders, buildings or resources, no matter how nimbly you try and shift around troops and res.  Try building them when you're invaded several times a day by many thousands of troops and see how far you get with no resources."  Also, I do actually read that mail, and I know which players are sending to me, and others.  I know how many millions of resources I have lost, buildings that have been delevelled, queues of research lengthened, and commanders killed.  Unless you can be online 24/7 you simply cannot prevent it.

Does WE have things in their past that members new and old are now drawn into a war about? Apparently so.

 

You have to take the good with the bad.

Absolutely! I only posted the system message here. I have no knowledge of Kale Weathers or Colony.

Sorry for any confusion caused! 

Nonsense. WE entered this war voluntarily. Loyalty towards ones alliance brings both rewards and obligations.

Bard,

It was brought to my attention that my post was quite snide and rude towards you.  I apologize for that, it is undeserved.

To bring more clarity to my points, with the snide and rude bits removed:

Humbly,

Sisren

 

Slowly Silverlake...   There wasn't any offense in that post, only ironic congratulations on H?'s recent successfull sieges on WE.

Why so aggressive?

Why not? Its apparently war season.

In fact has anyone summed up how much population of illy is at war vs total pop of illy?  I think it would be a cool number to see. 

 

I'd like the laundry list, since I can't fathom what WE players have done to stir up such hatred.  I do not know you, Silverlake, have never met you in the game, and have no history of bad dealings with you, or anyone in H?  In fact I have a city near many H? players, and have never had any contact with them about anything.  If events have occurred in the past, it must be a fair way back.  I can't think of any new WE people who are "reaping what they sowed" in a deserved fashion, simply because they haven't been in WE long enough to even meet most of the people who have entered the conflict with us.  I am getting incoming from people I have never heard of, with the exception of Pepe from Curse whom I do know of as he is very near me, although we have never exchanged any words or complaints.

 

I joined WE in around about February this year, and I do not regret the decision.  The members have been wonderfully supportive, and fun to play the game with.  If this history has nothing to do with the majority of the current WE players, then surely it is time to accept that WE has moved on from whatever perfidy happened in the long distant past.  If there is some long standing issue between H? (and others) with people who have been around for a long time, what is your aim?  To get rid of them?  To make them quit?  To break the alliance up?  To punish everyone who has joined?

 

Having asked leadership about it, they were under the impression that everything had been dealt with (apart from the RES ongoing spat).  I think everyone is happy to have a good fight where the motives are understood, and you can still be friends after it.  This type of conflict is not like that for us though, and as an ordinary member I don't understand why you seem to dislike WE so much. 

Sorry, that was not meant for WE, but at RMY, she knows her history

Not a clue what RMY has done... feel free to IGM me silverlake!

 

ooh your sooo brave..

 

pitchforks at the ready.

All depends on The Colonies goals. 

If you assume their goal is to make H? victorious, then yes Consone should/will likely declare war on them. 

HOWEVER, we do not know their goals. The Colony could be having a territorial dispute with W, and they have decided the best course of action is to engage them in combat while they are busy fighting another war. 

It is also just as likely that The Colony does not like someone in W, or W's leadership, and have decided to go to war against them due to this small group of people. 

Consone alliances will have to make a decision to support W in their war with The Colony, or leave it to W to sort out. This decision will likely be impacted once the nature and goal of The Colony is revealed. 

It is also interesting that it is only The Colony going to war, not the entire Dark Star Nation. 

geofrey wrote: Southern Dwarf wrote: I am not in Consone but is not W part of it? So Consone should because of mutual defense declare war on the colony. Or did I get it wrong? All depends on The Colonies goals.  If you assume their goal is to make H? victorious, then yes Consone should/will likely declare war on them.  HOWEVER, we do not know their goals. The Colony could be having a territorial dispute with W, and they have decided the best course of action is to engage them in combat while they are busy fighting another war.  It is also just as likely that The Colony does not like someone in W, or W's leadership, and have decided to go to war against them due to this small group of people.  What we do know is that The Colony has only declared war on W, not all of Consone. Whatever problem they have, it seems to be only with W.  Consone alliances will have to make a decision to support W in their war with The Colony, or leave it to W to sort out. This decision will likely be impacted once the nature and goal of The Colony is revealed.  It is also interesting that it is only The Colony going to war, not the entire Dark Star Nation.

If you read the Colony's profile, it's pretty easy to see what their motivation is here.  They like to jump into conflicts somebody else has already won to make themselves feel like military badasses.  I imagine the reason none of WE's confederates have join to help them is that they are all tied up with their own much more threatening enemies.  

You're just jealous their's another alliance being abbreviated to one letter now. 

LOL

What is in there? Soupe?

Firstly, TCol are not wannabe "Military badasses", and your lack of knowledge about them shines through in your sweeping statement about their profile. A bit of history for you- TCol have been in two wars, one against ICON and another against LWO. The LWO one, they were less actively involved than the Cave or BSH but instead defended their cities and participating in the fifth tournament. The ICON war, they fought alone and you will not find any mention of it in the forums. Why? Because Jude only posted the ones that he was either winning in or hurting the opponent. He didn't like it when the shoe was on the other foot.

Secondly, they did not join in order to make themselves feel good. I will say that much only, since if you are truly curious then mail Kale Weathers.

You may need to practice your inference.  How much of it is spent bragging of crushing victories against much smaller or already beleaguered opponents?  And I don't see where being a military alliance comes in.  I have more respect for a generally peaceful alliance standing up for its allies and its ideals than a militant one cherry-picking easy victories.    

Well how could I doubt the prowess of an alliance tested against such powerhouses as LWO and ICON?  I'm not sure if this is making your point or mine.  

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.  The relative sizes of the two alliances need not be inferred, they're pretty openly available information.  So is the fact that WE was already at war with six alliances, and not holding up very well at all.  

I will, however, follow your advice as best I can.  You surely realized this, and yet deliberately made the deceptive statement that WE are larger than TCol, despite the fact that under the circumstances that is completely irrelevant.  What I'm inferring here is that you have no intention of discussing this in good faith, but are simply spinning things as best you can to cover for your confederates in TCol.  How's that?   

Yes, small OR beleaguered.  WE are the latter.  I fail to see the problem with that statement. 

bansisdead wrote: I would say this following statement comes close to spin... "They like to jump into conflicts somebody else has already won to make themselves feel like military badasses."

Simply an assessment of the situation based on available evidence.  I'm always open to persuasion, but so far it seems to be holding up rather well.

Not even close you little trade vixen, 

Also, I can say at least that Dark has not requested ANY aid - neither military nor resource, from Wheel of Time, to show no impropriety in the neutral stance taken by our friends.

And yet you can provide no information or insight as to how I might be. 

Just pointing this out for you, Aurordan.

Plain Stupid

Said by a WE/Consone seams funny to me...

Isn't that why you declared war on H??

If you still cannot understand that then  enjoy !!

Please argue with some one else 

Has anyone?