Well. The current sad state of affairs in beautiful Illyriad has reached the point where I feel no choice but to wade in to the cesspool that passes for a great deal of posts on this forum. Most of the posts are of the following types: pedantic, bravado, spin, ego stroking (both self and of others), inability to refrain from seeking attention, self-serving, attempts to troll one party or the other, and outright lies. Very few posts simply convey information, ask questions,  or offer ideas and opinions in a manner that would encourage any sincere response save one born out of baser emotions.  Sad.

I can and will simply tell you what this war is, at least at the beginning before the vultures and opportunists became involved.  Most of you know whether you admit it or not. H? has been opposed to the very concept of any group such as Consone. Consone was formed, and H?, or more specifically people such as Kumo and the boys, went pouty bang bang and begin devising ways they could remove the threat to themselves they felt this posed. There were several that were on the table, and these no later than July. Don't believe any denials, they are flat out lies. I've heard the plans and discussions myself. One was use of another alliance to act as a stalking horse to initiate hostilities with a Consone alliance. This alliance would have no public connection to H?, but "private diplomacy" would be in place with them. When an opportunity to engage in a conflict with any Consone member could conceivably be used as the cause for war, that opportunity would be used. The "private diplomatic ties" would then provide the fig leaf H? wanted to enter the war.  Consone would then either have to act to protect a member alliance, as it is one of their stated purposes, or not act and lose any semblance reality as a viable group. Either way H? gets what it wants, the elimination of Consone as a threat. Sound familiar? Resemble any thing going on?

It is a perfectly good strategy, simple and well thought out, if a tad obvious. I don't object to it at all. What I object to is the laughable and cowardly denials and lies offered up in defense of it. This a war game, as you say, many of you ad nauseum. If done openly it could be admired, even while being opposed by those targeted as well as their friends and allies. But knowing the reaction of the Illyriad world at large, and in particular concerned with being able to spin and blow, lie and threaten in GC and the Forum to keep people from thinking of the consequences of such an action, the lie has to be maintained. Because if all this was openly know to be what it is, people would really have to make some decisions. Luckily so far, most of the shuffling masses are too afraid of taking a stand. There are many noticeable exceptions to this though, aren't there? That came as a bit of a surprise!

This ends my first communication in to the realities of Illyriad. I do not apologize for the length of this post, even though so many feel the need to offer  "witty" comments on how they quit reading at such and such a point, or how they had a myriad of better things to do with their time than read it. I always get a good chuckle at those, you people who say such things live on the forum and GC. what you really mean is you lack the will, intelligence, or attention span to focus on anything beyond comic book blurbs and taunts.

I will not respond to any questions or attempts to draw me out. I do not seek dialog, but to merely offer information. What you do with it, if anything, is up to you. Shortly I will post on the many mistakes of Consone, and point out some of the less obvious beneficiaries of our current hostilities. My admiration goes to those of you who are able to disagree with out being disagreeable, and who admire honesty above cleverness. Now, you same predictable people, offer your opinions, +1's to supposed clever posts, and pointless diversions, and your changeable "beliefs" that seem have a magical ability of being the exact opposite of your many numerous posts in threads long past.

As I'm a Consone player, we suspected it to be this way. If you really have intel into H?'s interior discussions, I can only guess at, as you were so wise as to stay inkognito.

Now I'm really interested in your view on Consone.

Well some have. The issue is no one person from either side will openly speak the same opinion.

Tbh when I saw the thread title I thought it was going to be a list of facts about the war that couldn't be refuted, i.e. what attacks happened when, who declared war on who when, the sieges, official statements and the like. You make an incredibly logical argument and for the most part it's sound, but it's still an argument. Another "discussion" thread to be thrown under the grinders.

While I find your purpose very admirable, there is 1 flaw in your logic. Anyone can make an anonymous forum account and post whatever truths they want. They can sound mysteriously informed and in the know without mentioning who they actually are. So long as you do not identify yourself by your in-game handle, and therefor what information you would actually be privy to, the authenticity of your post remains questionable. 

I want to believe you, but I must remain skeptical that this is but another move to be played in the world of Illyriad. Curse you George Martin for making me know everyone is plotting something. 

You don't need access to secret planning sessions to work any of that out though.  It's pretty obvious.  

No offense, but there's really no news here.  

Yes, but it has the advantage to be well and clearly explained. Of course, no evidence can be given by this anonymous writer, and even if he gave his in game name, i dont see in what it could've been much of an evidence. Even screen shots of discussions can be modified, anyone announcing an evidence on a forum, actually is giving none... and anyway, private conversations copy/past are prohibited here. It's a forum, so everything is open to debate, which can explain why some play with it, and play on the semantics of anything as a lawyer would do. 

What is said above correspond to the sudoku i have. Im interested in reading your reflexion about Consone's mistakes, and beneficiaries of this conflict, even if i suppose it will join mine.

 

"Always keep your foes confused. If they are never certain who you are or what you want, they cannot know what you are like to do next. Sometimes the best way to baffle them is to make moves that have no purpose, or even seem to work against you. Remember that, when you come to play the game."

Would love a post exactly as you described. 

Would be nice to know what was going on...

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This thread is obviously an opinion and holds no elements of evidence, per se. However it is a nicely stated and well orchestrated narrative. For that I commend you. But does anyone really know what happened? Probably not and it will most likely remain a mystery.

I like the idea that you'll post your opinion on both sides of the line. It puts you in the middle of the "H? is evil" conspirators party and the "Consone is a bully" conspirators party.

Really there was no point to my post since everyone already knows what I'm saying but I felt I had to get in on the action. 

Since recorded history - when information could be suppressed. Whoever wins, the other side's arguments, propaganda and insights will still float around in the forums and with the people who sided with them. A minor detail, but I think this is just too large with too many people listening for it to die down like that.

 

Established players from both sides of the H?/Consone divide will recognise that this player only ever appears to create discord at times like these. In this particular thread he seems to want to invoke bitter critcism of H?, Consone and almost every player that will comment on this issue.

 

I hope that ,ironically, his reappearance will cause H? to realise that there is no one in Consone who can be compared to Lionz for his irresponsible and negative attempts to manipulate the game.  Jasche is not Lionz ( or Diabilto for that matter) as Consone is not White.

 

The reappearance of Lionz only serves to remind us that H? et al and Consone have much more in common than those who seek to promote bullying and trollish behaviour.

 

I hope his reappearance will cause both sides to look at at each other  anew and realise the positive contributions that they have brought to the community in times of peace.  The sooner we end this conflict the better

You can now add "didactic" to your own list, as your post fills that category nicely.

ahahahahaha

"Don't believe any denials, they are flat out lies." 

Try harder please ... the cospiracy story has holes everywhere...

We could have been in war for the EE-Dlord and Dlord-Druid issue on mines 1-2 months before all of that if H? was looking for a war as you said.

What was different? 

- The alliances didn't look for external help (with EE we had 100k troops lost both sides but no external help eccept a few FF)

- Dimplomatic channels were open.

We could have easily declared war on EE for beeing attacked, Consone would have declared war on us, H? would have helped ecc ecc ecc.

Truth is that H? did not need to plan any "casus belli".

This means you are PREACHING and the acceptance of your words is just a matter of pre-existing belief and the level of personal gullibility. 

Anyone can make a clone and pretend to be privy of secret information which he divulges for no personal gain other than a "love for truth" ... it is an old ploy, even older than the internet actually (there is even a person in our TV that claims that he is privy to information that "ONLY HIM and OTHER FOUR people in the whole europe know" and there are people - usually pentioners - that actually believe him  ), and I do not wish to comment anything else on a thread created by someone who loves TRUTH so much that he HIDES even his in game nickname. 

Judging only from that small, yet all important fact, you are more likely from Mars than any "ministry" containing "truth" in it title ... 

The tournament. H? waited until the consone killed off their troops and then declared war. And this is evident in the distinct lack of effort on their part during the entire tournament. At least that much was planned. As far as the whole conspiracy theory typed out by some guy hiding behind a username that resembles LionHeartz, I don't really believe much of it. But I do believe this was planned before the tourney started. 

Why do you assume god is "him"?

 

No mind control stufs; this theory could be true as it's a short logical continuation of causes and consequences anyone with the apropriate knowledge would be able to plan. 

So for me, H? involvment could easily have started by asking RHY to siege Absa. But not before as H? couldnt have planned Absa would help Skb if RHY was hostile with Skb, so they are not behind it.

H? started carefully on the tourney, to let other alliances kill each other and then enter in the tourney with almost full power (they used some units though), which is a classic and viable tactic. At the same time, maybe were they paranoiac about Consone members using the same strategy and letting H? lose troops first, which would put H? in disadvantage if Consone decided to start a war against them (but the facts shew the non-machiavelic plans of Consone, who played fully from the start of the tourney). If Consone alliances didnt play the tourney at all, it's obvious H? wouldn't either.

Same holds truth for Dark/WoT - EE months past.  Rather similar to the RHY - SkB/ABSA thing in a lot of ways...

Luna

Credit for tryin'?  

(edit: a player too cowardly too stand with his alliance and too cowardly to openly criticise his own alliance without the fear that he would be punished.  Hence this new account of his without all the flamboyant colors.)