Attacks on my Cities
Printed From: Illyriad
Category: The World
Forum Name: Politics & Diplomacy
Forum Description: If you run an alliance on Elgea, here's where you should make your intentions public.
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Topic: Attacks on my Cities
Posted By: Thes Hunter
Subject: Attacks on my Cities
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 10:46
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My Capital Yi Thesslia has been attacked 13 times since yesterday. Er Huntila was attacked merely twice, and San Yerivf has been attacked 3 times. I have 4 more slow moving attacks coming into Yi and San. The people who have attacked me are: bow locks, beetchin, Wtower, Lucens, Jim Jams, & Misteurai. The incoming attacks on Yi are from Wtower and Gragnog, and on San are from Wtower and Lekla. If this war is limited to the leadership as has been suggested elsewhere, I am curious as to why I have been targeted. If it is all out war, Then carry on. It is then all out no holds barred war, and there is no explanation needed.  ------------- The image in my avatar is a chalk pastel drawing I did as part of the Imagine Yellowstone Art competition. 
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Posted By: Hadus
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 14:58
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Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but this seems far more appropriate as an In-Game message to the relevant parties than a forum thread.
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Posted By: deorasandeep
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 15:22
in these days of war why should one keep losses onto self and not declare in forum  |
Hadus wrote:Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 15:26
| Um, I think it was leadership, significant players, and active participants. At 60K+ pop, you're significant. Unlike a 5K pop player. Also, have you been active in the combat? |
Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 15:33
| You planted your cities in the middle of a bunch of H? players. You annoy them constantly with the annoyances of gathering. Oh and here's the kicker your alliance declared war on H? How did you not expect to get attacked? |
Posted By: deorasandeep
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 16:27
it means the players who have not yet participated in war are wrong and they should be killed or attacked because they are your (H?) neighbours. and yes by same principles all members should be attacked be it there population be less then 100 or this is said because some alliances only take 4cities + players and there is no small player to complain or has no right to complain  D |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 16:41
| Oh and can you honestly say that you have not been actively casting blights on H? cities, Thes? |
Posted By: The Duke
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 17:16
 ------------- "Our generation has had no Great Depression, no Great War. Our war is spiritual. Our depression is our lives." |
Posted By: deorasandeep
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 17:16
ok then i understand h? has proofs if so then ok he is involved and shouldnot say but if not then ? or he is assumed to have done this because he is not h? or partner |
Posted By: Thes Hunter
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 17:33
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Mr. Kumo: I have had blights cast upon my cities, but my CSI mages have yet to determine exactly who cast those blights. I have not cast any blights on any H? city. So I guess I can honestly say that I haven't. Mr. Deathdealer89: My cities have been in the area for months. There are members of mCrow, wet, we, roads, Vic, ncrow and many others (and an account from a 2 member alliance that was deleted after I settled my towns) in the region, if H? felt they had a sole claim to the region why did your alliance wait months to inform me and establish your claim in this corner of Azura? Also I have already moved San once for H? at the request from Llyorn. San has been in its current location for at least 2 months. If there had been an issue I would have thought I would be notified sooner. Not get two messages titled "move" and "get out" from Mr. Kumo months after I had settled in the area. Shouldn't there be a statute of limitations on territory claims? Otherwise what is to stop some one finding another's location attractive and demanding they move because "they are in a claimed area"? ------------- The image in my avatar is a chalk pastel drawing I did as part of the Imagine Yellowstone Art competition.
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Posted By: Glognar
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 19:07
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What's with all the posts and threads from people complaining about being attacked? If you're in an alliance that is at war then prepare to be attacked, if you don't want to be involved in a war then leave the alliance ------------- 
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Posted By: Loud Whispers
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 19:20
1. Call it misunderstandings, rhetoric or politician speak, there are people promising things and assuming things that are contrary to the reality. Hence why people are crying "INJUSTICE!" when attacked. 2. If you have no part in the war, but want to stay in your alliance for personal reasons - why can't we allow it so on honour of being a better community than that? If you leave, what protection do you have against larger alliances - especially ones that would attack you for simply associating?
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Posted By: RatuJone
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 19:38
Surprised your alliance tolerates you; you want the benefit but won't share the cost....... ------------- I'm pretty Harmless, really :) |
Posted By: Thes Hunter
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 19:42
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Asking for clarification of the reasons I am being attacked is not the same as complaining. :) ------------- The image in my avatar is a chalk pastel drawing I did as part of the Imagine Yellowstone Art competition.
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Posted By: Gossip Boy
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 19:47
Have you ever read your alliance profile page? ------------- Elessar2 [08:34]<Rill> when you've just had part of your brain taken out, you lack a certain amount of credibility <KillerPoodle> I can say anything I like and it is impossible to prove or disprove |
Posted By: Loud Whispers
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 20:07
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Posted By: Arakamis
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 20:16
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If your alliance is in war, then you are in war. Simple as that. If you don't want to be a part of it, there is a Quit button at bottom of the alliance page. That might help.
It is all about priorities, if you value your friends over incoming attacks/losing cities etc. then stay and fight, else leave. |
Posted By: Glognar
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 20:31
Whats my alliance page got to do with anything? It's quite simple if you're in an alliance that is at war, prepare for war and don't be surprised if you're attacked. As others have said, why are you staying in the alliance with you're friends if you are not prepared to help those friends in times of war? -------------
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Posted By: Thes Hunter
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 20:38
Why is someone from Aesir commenting on a war between eagles and harmless? Harmless had previously stated this was a limited war. But they seem to be acting as of it's all out war. If its all out war so be it, let the dogs of war run. However if it's limited I think I'm justified in asking why I was targeted. ------------- The image in my avatar is a chalk pastel drawing I did as part of the Imagine Yellowstone Art competition.
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Posted By: ES2
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 20:40
If the server has gotten to the point that people in alliance A that are at war with alliance B, do not want to be attacked by B while still residing in A and expect the community to respect that, then I'm not sure I want to play Illyriad anymore. There should not be only benefits to a decision, you should always be prepared for a cost. ------------- Eternal Fire |
Posted By: ES2
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 20:41
What Arakamis said is exactly right. ------------- Eternal Fire |
Posted By: Deranzin
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 22:19
This is the whole Illyriad forum you posted and so it is open for EVERYONE to comment upon what everyone else is saying ... if you really wanted an exclusive answer you should have IGMed the H? leadership, but since you made a public forum topic then you have to accept public opinion, as well.
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Posted By: glorfindel
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 22:22
| Thes, I'm sorry, but that's the worst dye job I've ever seen. |
Posted By: Thes Hunter
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 22:55
Ah semantics. I guess I should have said "why is someone from Aesir clarifying the intentions of Harmless". Everyone has a right to express their opinion, and will do so freely, especially on Internet forums. :) ---- And as for the Dye job! I know! But I don't want to pay the hairdresser 50 pres to change it back! ------------- The image in my avatar is a chalk pastel drawing I did as part of the Imagine Yellowstone Art competition.
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Posted By: Thes Hunter
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 23:58
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As for why I asked here in the forums, members of H have made public statements here that this is a war against leadership, active in the fight and etc. So why shouldnt I ask here to clarify that statement? And as I have said before, but looks like I need to stress, if I am being attacked because it is war, then so be it. I can't exactly say I don't have a problem with that,  since I will likely lose my cities, and I kinda like my cities. But being attacked because it is war is a perfectly acceptable reason. But then that would mean the scope of this war was much broader than other statements H has made prior. And so far the only reasons that have been stated for my being attacked are; that I am annoying because I harvest the animal parts off NPCs I kill near my cities, and because I have cities in an area where H would like their cities. Even though those cities have been there for months and are all outside of their 10 square radius. Maybe it's just me, but those don't seem like reasons at all, and it causes me to lean towards the idea that H wants a more open war than they have publically stated. And before someone asks why this is Forum business, I ask why wouldn't it be forum business? So if they wish to openly war on me, so be it! I made a ton of mistakes on those cities anyways, so I welcome a chance to rebuild.  ------------- The image in my avatar is a chalk pastel drawing I did as part of the Imagine Yellowstone Art competition.
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Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 00:16
atta girl! I've been there, done that, too.
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Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 01:39
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Your alliance is at war. Expect to be attacked, if you don't want to be attacked then leave the alliance. If you want both you better convince your leadership that they better stop the war because you are getting attacked. Your cities are within a stone throw of many enemy cities. In fact I imagine you see a few blips of green and then a sea of red. The very fact that you would be in an alliance at war in the middle of your enemy and think you will not be attacked means you to used to playing sims. Perhaps that would be better suited for you, because in Illyriad you can be attacked. In fact thats the entire point of the game. If you couldn't be attacked there would be no reason to build cities. You could say to trade, but that would be useless to as well no1 needs to buy a ton of resources for troops that don't do anything. Illy is a game of warfare man up or go play hello kitty. But if you want to sit on the forums and complain i'm sure people on here will be willing to explain how stupid the hope of not getting attacked in the middle of war is.
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Posted By: Silverlake
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 02:55
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Thes, look to your leaders, they declared war, they did not have to, you are living with the consequences of their actions. I suggest that if this is becoming too much for you, leave the alliance, and join one that does not declare war against other alliances. I am truly sorry if this upsets you. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/57338" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Thes Hunter
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 02:57
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Mr. DeathDealer89: Please read my post above, because it appears that you haven't yet. And if your armies wish to join your compatriot's excursions to my cities, I must warn you I can not entertain you properly. There has been quite an unexpected run on my tea and biscuits. I do hope you are not disappointed. ---- And an update to my original post. It appears Wtower's long slow attack on Yi was a feint. So I may not get a chance to rebuild that city better, faster and stronger. There is still one more slow attack incoming on my Capital, so I might yet get the chance.
Mr. Silverlake: Ditto of what I said to Mr. Deathdealer89 above. Though I may be able to scourge up a tin of biscuits in a pinch if need be. You don't need to ring before hand though, I'll see you coming.
 ------------- The image in my avatar is a chalk pastel drawing I did as part of the Imagine Yellowstone Art competition.
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Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 03:49
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Good luck with your begging for mercy. Hope it amused the rest of the server as much as it does us. Now let us fight like men not children. And H? has made no grand claims of territory. But if you want I will, no longer will there be any room on Elgea for the war mongers of Consone. Elgea will be free of those who would declare war and then cry about being attacked on the forums. It will take some doing but we will eventually be able to get rid of those who keep mucking up our forums with annoying posts.
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Posted By: Silverlake
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 04:20
Well, I have no plans to visit, but I can bring some jam and a tin of earl grey if invited ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/57338" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 05:09
... wow, what big an EGO
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Posted By: Sir A
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 05:31
I don't see your logic here. Why do you need clarification for the attacks? It goes like this: Your alliance is in a war. You are part of your alliance. That means you are open to attacks from the alliance your alliance is at war with. If you don't want to be attacked, you can always leave your alliance. It really is that simple.
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Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 05:39
Its a game where I play a king. Why shouldn't I have fun and have a big ego :D
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Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 05:49
Did someone call me?
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Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 05:52
Challenge accepted. May the best man win.  |
Posted By: JimJams
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 09:43
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Forums usually are not good to mitigate problems, and very good to exacerbate them. Written words are read, then re-read, and re-read again, and every bit of bitterness, every slightly wrong sentence, is analyzed generating even more misunderstanding and anger. That's why I don't like to use forums to solve problems (and add to this English is not my language and I am not that good understanding double meanings and nuances). IGM are better, if the people using it are good enough to not share private messages. ------------- 
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Posted By: dunnoob
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 09:45
...meanwhile I found the relevant part of Azura on the map.
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Posted By: Gossip Boy
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 10:00
------------- Elessar2 [08:34]<Rill> when you've just had part of your brain taken out, you lack a certain amount of credibility <KillerPoodle> I can say anything I like and it is impossible to prove or disprove |
Posted By: Darmon
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 18:07
I haven't agreed with the majority of the H? rhetoric, but this does resound with a certain amount of truth. Private talks do seem the more expedient way to reach understandings, but only if all parties involved are willing.
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Posted By: deorasandeep
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 18:41
every player in itself is a king why not respect the other king's ego if you know what it means. or u have 2 meanings for same one to satify your Ego and to hurts other Ego |
Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 20:08
Nah I like to play an arrogant king on the forums.
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Posted By: scaramouche
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 20:34
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Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 20:51
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Well I got tired of all the members of consone lying and acting like they are some victims being attacked by the big bad H?. Even though it was them who attacked first, it was also them who declared war. And then they come on here and do some role playing. So figured I may as well do some role playing as well. After all if we follow consone's example we just shouldn't mention the straight truth we should only pretend as if we are being attacked for no reason by a much bigger opponent whether we are the aggressors or whether we are bigger or not. |
Posted By: scaramouche
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 20:59
------------- NO..I dont do the Fandango! |
Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 21:05
I didn't say you, I would point most directly to Thes Hunter who made an entire thread about it. Then we can move to the countless posts in the various threads where Consone attempts to paint H? as the aggressors. And yes I often refer to consone as 'consone' I don't go through and spell out what each alliance and what each player in each alliance did. Doing so would simply take to long. Deal with it if your a member consone you get associated with all of consone. They very first attack made was by a consone member, the player who ignored diplomacy at the very beginning was a consone member. That makes consone the aggressors, they drew first blood. If you want to try and say that that was just 1 person not 'consone' then the consone alliances should have denounced the action. Instead the consone alliances supported it. Once again consone members try and act as one when it is convient for them and then when it isn't pretend that they have no diplomatic ties with each other. Also the fact that you repeatedly do direct insults shows that you simply can't find any valid points to counter my arguments.
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Posted By: deorasandeep
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 21:17
nobody as well pointed you too and yes "when one breaks the rule the person is wrong and when mny break same rule rule may be wrong " |
Posted By: scaramouche
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 21:19
------------- NO..I dont do the Fandango! |
Posted By: GM Luna
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 21:49
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Back and forth personal attacks and insults aren't welcome. Closing this thread. Luna ------------- GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk 
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