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Topic: Fairy Road Authority quarantines Harmless?
Posted By: Nesse
Subject: Fairy Road Authority quarantines Harmless?
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 19:47
Hereby Harmless? is declared in quarantine.


This drastic measure is deemed necessary to protect the rest of the Illyriad population from getting the illnesses currently afflicting many Harmless? players, apparently due to the inferior farming and medical practices of that alliance. The quarantine is effective immediately and until further notice.

1) No player outside Harmless? is to entertain guests from Harmless? towns, unless they are appropriately disinfected with the approved magical and acidic procedure, and are found disease free on two consecutive medical examinations spaced more than a week apart without any visit to a Harmless? town in between.

2) No imports of hides, herbs, animal parts, food, leatherwork, wood or soil from Harmless? towns are allowed under any circumstances. (Stone, iron and metal objects are exempt from the export restrictions imposed on Harmless? towns for the time being, provided approved disinfection procedures are followed).

3) Any quarantined products from Harmless? towns found anywhere outside Harmless? city gates should be burned immediately, and the area cleansed by approved disinfection spells.

We are saddened to have to take such drastic measures, but the evidence of an extremely dangerous plague afflicting Harmless? towns is overwhelming and allow no doubt that complete isolation is the only prudent and humanitarian preventive action possible at this advanced state of disease. The plague has so far had the following globally observed symptoms:

a) Desperate hordes of scouts have left a large number of Harmless? towns, seeking citizenship in towns of other players. The vast majority of those scouts have perished in their ailment after only brief hospitalisation. That scouts so obviously left their hometowns without being prepared is a sure sign that they were seriously ill when leaving. Scouts are always prepared.

b) Compound afflictions of magical nature have been detected as spread from Harmless? towns, including mind affecting brain entropy and swarms of locusts devouring and fouling food and cattle alike, causing significant havoc also in towns neighbouring Harmless? afflicted plague centres.

c) We have a few isolated occurrences of hordes on riding beasts breaking through the magical fences erected around civilized settlements and thus making the town vulnerable for wild dogs and mammoths following the desperately famined Harmless? citizens and wreaking havoc to the orderly storage of food and supplies.

d) Reports have been received on "rabid statements by high-ranking Harmless? officials in the forums", and although this is as yet unverified, we fear that the illness is not contained to the populace.

NOW THEREFORE, pursuant to section 11 of the Bees Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. B.6 (hereinafter "the Act") and the power delegated to me by the Minister of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs, I hereby establish a quarantine area being the entire Harmless? alliance.

Odd, Chief Road Coordinator





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Posted By: ES2
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 19:48
Is this a quarantine that everyone has to follow?

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Eternal Fire


Posted By: belargyle
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 19:52
So in essence you are threatening anyone who:

1. takes in H? members, without your express permission

2 and 3. anyone who partakes in trades with H?

Getting a big for yourself aren't you?


Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 20:01
I believe the intent is humour.

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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM

"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill


Posted By: Nesse
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 20:06
ES2, yes,the quarantine is necessaary to prevent the spreading of this disease.

Belargyle, I am not threatening anyone. I am just drawing the attention to the danger posed by the plague afflicting Harmless? towns. Surely, any sensible person will follow it, but I also want to draw your attention to the detailed regulations of section 11 of the Bees Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. B.6.



Posted By: ES2
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 20:38
Originally posted by Nesse Nesse wrote:

ES2, yes,the quarantine is necessaary to prevent the spreading of this disease.

Belargyle, I am not threatening anyone. I am just drawing the attention to the danger posed by the plague afflicting Harmless? towns. Surely, any sensible person will follow it, but I also want to draw your attention to the detailed regulations of section 11 of the Bees Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. B.6.


What if I send a caravan to a Harmless town, which then becomes a carrier of the plague, then send that caravan to a Roads town? 


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Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 21:28
"On the seventh day the priest will examine him again. If the disease looks the same and has not spread, the priest must put him in isolation for another seven days. On the seventh day the priest will examine him again. If the diseased area has faded and not spread, the priest must declare him clean."

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Posted By: Loud Whispers
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 21:31
Originally posted by belargyle belargyle wrote:

Getting a big for yourself aren't you?
"Satire - Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity."

Considering how the OP ticks all the boxes, I'd call that satire. And before you start yelping, the whole reason that it's funny is because the OP is exaggerated and the premise is stupid. There are casualties in war, humour shouldn't be one of them ;(


Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 22:09
The mages of affirmative Action have developed a cure derived from echoing duck quacks. We will generously sell what limited surplus we can manufacture at a rate of 1 million per unit, while also selling 6 million food at the humayan trade center to feed the starving cities plagued by this disaster.  




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Posted By: Granek
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 23:18
http://sense-of-humour-failure.urbanup.com/5537657" rel="nofollow - 1. sense of humour failure
When someone either finds an obvious joke offensive or takes it dead serious, they are said to have had a "sense of humour" failure.

However, it cannot be applied to those who never had a sense of humour to start with.

This condition is more common amongst the grumpy, tired and irrationally angry sects of society, with the most common manifestation being women on their period or guys whose girlfriend is on their period.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sense%20of%20humour%20failure" rel="nofollow - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sense%20of%20humour%20failure


Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 23:38
Originally posted by geofrey geofrey wrote:

The mages of affirmative Action have developed a cure derived from echoing duck quacks. We will generously sell what limited surplus we can manufacture at a rate of 1 million per unit, while also selling 6 million food at the humayan trade center to feed the starving cities plagued by this disaster.  



/me buys 3 of them Clap


Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 01:24
*opens the results of the lab report*  

o.o

Hmmmm, apparently this is a virus common to road construction, you gave it to us.    Stop the spin, stop the propaganda!!!    Geezz  :D


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Founder of Toothless?

"Truth never dies."
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Posted By: Sisren
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 01:35
So...  Odd = Nesse?

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Illy is different from Physics-
Reactions are rarely Equal, and rarely the opposite of what you'd expect...


Posted By: belargyle
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 02:19
Yes.. That is one of the few I ever figured out.. the rest I had to be told ... lol


Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 04:46
So Detritus [Sages] = Hora [VIC]
and Odd [Roads] = Nesse [Dwarven Druids]
and invictusa [VIC] = Cthulua [Frost]
and on
and on
and on

The Soup Coalition isn't really a coalition - it's just a bunch of alts....


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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM

"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill


Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 05:11
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

So Detritus [Sages] = Hora [VIC]
and Odd [Roads] = Nesse [Dwarven Druids]
and invictusa [VIC] = Cthulua [Frost]
and on
and on
and on

The Soup Coalition isn't really a coalition - it's just a bunch of alts....

ShockedThar be rats in Illy?!!


Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 06:41
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

So Detritus [Sages] = Hora [VIC]
and Odd [Roads] = Nesse [Dwarven Druids]
and invictusa [VIC] = Cthulua [Frost]
and on
and on
and on

The Soup Coalition isn't really a coalition - it's just a bunch of alts....


Thank you for clearing that up for me! I was feeling badly there for a bit having to pound on a self-professed pacifist movement that had declared war on us. Despite the fact that taking your noble mercantile notion of owning the first road network in Illy and aligning it with a single political faction is about as smart as starting an ice sculpting school in the sahara. That is... Unless you are 100% sure of the success of your Consone... I guess it might make sense in that case... Interesting level of confidence...



Posted By: Rasak
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 06:51
Sounds like someone took inspiration in a mail I sent recently :D

Are there intellectual property rights in Illy? And is it a good enough reason for war?


Posted By: Nesse
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 08:31
I am really most upset about the emerging discussion concerning my altitude in this forum that has been opened in order to discuss the very serious threat of diseases spreading uncontrollable from Harmless? towns!

As late as yesterday, raging hordes of obviously malnutritioned and afflicted H? citizens stormed to the gates of Tullernas Coolest Town, begging for more food after she had graciously sent supplies of food and clay to her closest neighbours as disaster relief to counteract the food shortage caused by the Harmless? plague. Obviously, her efforts were not sufficient and indeed to some extent counterproductive, as her town now is on the verge of being over-run by the Hungry? mobs. Although more than adequate for her own needs, it is impossible for her to feed such vast numbers of undernourished citizens. We must on the strongest urge the afflicted Harmless? players to observe the quarantine, keep their citizens within Harmless? borders and make sure the sanitary and nutritional conditions of their citizens are radically improved.

Testimonies from refugees seeking asylum in Coolest Town has been evaluated and together with other circumferential evidence it has now become quite clear that the main cause of the plague is severe and extreme deterioration of soil quality on Harmless? lands. The quality of Harmless? overworked, polluted and erroneously fertilised soil needs to be protected or the alliance will continue to face bouts of famine and plague like the currently raging one.

The main causes of the decline in Harmless? soil quality are inappropriate http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/farming" rel="nofollow - farming techniques and industrial http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/pollution" rel="nofollow - pollution . Han, one of the refugees claiming to be the former head of agriculture in one of Harmless? towns, helping to draw up the cabinet's rural policies over more than seven years, said more than twelve times as much trove fertiliser is used on the average hectare of Harmless? farmland as the global average. Despite this overconsumption of a known harmful substance, the food output is less than the world average and more importantly, the quality of the food produced is poor and the nutrition insufficient and unbalanced, with pests and bacteria infections often destroying large fractions of the crop.

"The deterioration in soil quality is now a very important problem," Han told reporters in Coolest Town. "I believe improving the quality [of soil] is of equal importance to protecting the amount of arable land."

People of Illyria, please help the ailing Harmless? farmlands by sending them shipments of clay samples. Do not send any food, for the safety of your towns.

I am sure that the Harmless? leadership now having been shown the seriousness of the situation will divert their magicians current misguided and unsuccessful attempts to divert food resources from other players and instead seek to magically aid the formation of soil into the likeness of healthy samples that will be provided to them. Please observe also, that much less Trove is needed for soil improvement than your current practices employ!

/Odd, Chief Road Coordinator
(I am the elf of the two of us, when signing as Odd - I am NOT short! ... Nesse is not short either, he says, just the right size for standard-size dwarven tunnels. ... but although maybe a bit more powerful that your average dwarf, he IS short-ish.)


Posted By: bansisdead
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 08:54
The war not going well then?

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Posted By: Tullernas
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 10:31

Dear Harmless players.

 

I am a player in Fairy Road Authority. As I see it, we, at Roads, build roads, tend our cities, craft and send resources to new players. We try to be nice to our neighbours, and most of all, we have a sense of humour.

 

I am a big player, but despite my size have no army to speak of. This is common knowledge to you all, and I have indeed said so to you myself. On several occasions. It is not hear-say, and I am sure your many scouting efforts have confirmed this. After a lot of activities by spies, spells and scouts, I was finally attacked yesterday, and now I am also under siege. However, although I have no army, I want no help. No I am not a martyr, I just do not want to fight. Fighting is not the game I am playing on Illy and it never will be. I just want to build my roads and tend my cities.

 

It was rather impressive, however, to look at the thousands of armies flying in over my city, landing on a small hill next to my town. It reminded me of an episode of Star Wars. Some time soon you will have a victory, though it will be a hollow victory because I have no army and will not fight. Last night, just before I was off to bed, a second town of mine was attacked. Or rather is being attacked, with armies locked on target. With the attack incoming I moved my army out and sent a siege with 542 soldiers and 3 siege engines to the H? player who is attacking me. Luckily this player has a sense of humour, and I know he will have a silent chuckle over my “valiant effort” over his beer this evening. To the outside world, to his alliance members, he will also have a victory, because I am not, of course, going to fight. He will naturally also crush my siege attempt, and can show to his alliance that he is fierce and will probably use the fact that I attacked him as a rally to arms. Perhaps some of the people who are not fighting will be afraid and try and condone what is happening. Perhaps not.

 

I am not the only one in Roads who has this approach. I have many alliance members who stand tall and continue to play the game the way we want to play it. It is a sandbox game, and building roads is as good an approach as any, in my opinion.

 

I understand that war games are fun for some of you, and I appreciate that. And to go for a big city, like myself, I understand too. However, to go for a city like me, when it is common knowledge that I have no army and am not playing a war game, but building roads, really is beyond me and I ask why? Was it because you wanted to instill fear in other players, hoping they did not know that we do not keep an army and do not want to fight? Is it to make Consone afraid, or get up in arms? They will not of course because I am declining offers for help, and if you thought about it you would know, because we have said so all along. Who are you trying to impress? I am not impressed and I don’t think many will be impressed that an alliance as big as H? which obviously enjoys a war game, attacks a player who builds roads and who is not defending and who, most importantly does not play a war game? How can that be a game? How can that be a victory?

 

Please understand that not wanting to play a war game does not mean watching others play a war game, or not participating because I do not have an army. No! Not wanting to play a war game means not wanting to play a war game. Not having an army means not having an army because we are not playing a war game but building roads.

 

Before summing up, I would like you to listen to a song. As you listen, please replace “the alphabet” with roads, and “the USA” with H?, “Norway” with Fairy Road Authorities. Here it is:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f488uJAQgmw

 

Now please answer me, where do we go from here? Are you going to let me play the sandbox game that I want to play while you continue playing the sandbox game that you want to play with the players who actually want to play that with you? Will you let your sense of humour prevail (I have seen some wonderful glimpses from quite a few of you), have a giggle and leave us be to have ours, hopefully together with you and any other player who wants to.

 

Stay safe!

Tullernas



Posted By: Nesse
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 10:32
Originally posted by bansisdead bansisdead wrote:

The war not going well then?


War? This is about plague control!



Posted By: Nesse
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 10:38
Originally posted by Nesse Nesse wrote:

Originally posted by bansisdead bansisdead wrote:

The war not going well then?


War? This is about plague control!



Oh, now I realise what you mean...
We shouldn't have taken the lowest bidder for that interface upgrade! It still says "Declaration of war" on your palantirs, right? We realised long ago that we would never use a war declaration, so had it replaced by "Declaration of quarantine" on the odd chance that a plague would spread through the lands requiring such response. Obviously, our fears were only too well founded.

/Odd, Chief road coordinator


Posted By: Drejan
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 12:51
Can i ask you a question?
Why did you declared war?
I think Roads might be one of the few peacefull alliance of Consone, so why?
War declaration is not something to take easy, if you declare war prepare yourself for battle.
As a player (for both sides) the better thing you can do to avoid it, if the alliance do not want to remove the War, is leaving alliance and joining another temporary.

Just a suggestion not related to current situation: peacefull alliances need no mutual protection pact, expecially with massive military alliances, you will end in a war sooner or later... a peacefull alliance need to stay NEUTRAL! No one will ever attack you if you are not militarized and stay out of wars. 



Posted By: Deranzin
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 12:53
Originally posted by Tullernas Tullernas wrote:

Dear Harmless players.

 

... etc etc ... 



... I obviously do NOT speak for the whole alliance, but this is one of the wierdest posts I have ever read in my forum wanderings in the internet all these years. 

On the one hand you do not defend yourself, but on the other hand you sent a siege, apparently just for laughs.
On the one hand you join a war to help your allies, but on the other hand you refuse help from the very same allies.
On the one hand you are playing a game of building roads and claim to have no armies and on the other hand you take your alliance to war.
On the one hand you say that you are not playing the martyr and on the other hand you are writting this post to bring emotional tension for "the poor 150000 population account that went to war with no army".
On the one hand you want to keep playing your peacefull style of game and on the other hand you jumped on the bandwagon of the war part of the game that others (but not you) enjoy.
On the one hand you speak for yourself and your peaceful endeavors of your alliance and on the other hand we are in a deeply ironic thread that calls other players a "plague" under the pretense of tasteless humor.

I could keep this up you know ... the amount of contradictions in your post is just THAT high ... 

Bottomline : 

Noone forced you into the war and you went there on your own volition and fell pray to the simpliest illusion of mass mentality that in numbers there is safety. 

Weeeell, there is safety in numbers but not if you are in the front row Wink and the choice to stay there is YOURS ... 

Sometimes I forget that most of us here are NOT kids ... illyriad is not a game played by rapid action loving young individuals, but it is a slow game of patience more reserved for the hectic life of somewhat older ages ... so, where is your sense of responsibility then ? 

You are not kids playing a prank at junior school and then hiding in the bushes so as not to be seen by the teachers ... you are grown up people that make choices and should stand UP for them, instead of turning am internet game to some kind of a melodrama ... 

The ancient Spartans, when they went to wars, were given their shield by their mothers with the phrase "with it or ON it" and no other choice what-so-ever ... but you are not ancient Spartans born and bred for military life and this is not a REAL war ... it is a game ... if you believe that you did a mistake there is always a way out ( restracting war declarations, making peace offers, changing alliance etc etc ) so, please, spare us the drama and either stay in your alliance and play out the war you JOINED on your OWN VOLITION to the end with your head high or say that "i do not like this kind of game" and retreat from the war proud of retaining your peaceful ideals. 

But peaceful ideals and war declarations and complaint threads do not mix, ok ? 

Have a nice day. :)

P.S.
If you want a soundtrack about wars listen to this :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU0lQIUSHLM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU0lQIUSHLM



Posted By: Ossian
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:06
Originally posted by Nesse Nesse wrote:

Hereby Harmless? is declared in quarantine...

(read the origianl text at the head of the thread . it really is worth it)

 

....NOW THEREFORE, pursuant to section 11 of the Bees Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. B.6 (hereinafter "the Act") and the power delegated to me by the Minister of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs, I hereby establish a quarantine area being the entire Harmless? alliance.

Odd, Chief Road Coordinator

This is one of the best pieces of satire that I have seen in these forums for a long time.  For me, it gets to the heart of the matter ie that H? should end its somewhat paranoid mission to siege any alliance that it perceives as a threat to it's status as #1 and accept that the sand box game of Illyriad is now about mutual cooperation, friendship and  having fun.
 
Lets end this depressing war.


Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:14
:/ no and stop feeding into propaganda and lies. if  H? wanted to fight for nr1 they would have started a war with Crows years ago as Crows has been a lot bigger then H? for quite some time

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Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:14
Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:


On the one hand you want to keep playing your peacefull style of game and on the other hand you jumped on the bandwagon of the war part of the game that others (but not you) enjoy.

...from Consone side, I don't know anyone really enjoying to be in this war... after all, we still defend. We did neither want nor start it. We never sieged enemy towns, and to my knowledge, didn't even attack enemy towns yet, just camped armies so far...
(..and here again, TD will shout about that siege on RES, and once again I'll tell him, that the dispute leading to it is not part of this war and thus still might be solved diplomatically, if both sides want it so...)


Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:16
Hora, attacks has already been done including sieges against even Non-H? players

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Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:17
Originally posted by Rorgash Rorgash wrote:

:/ no and stop feeding into propaganda and lies. if  H? wanted to fight for nr1 they would have started a war with Crows years ago as Crows has been a lot bigger then H? for quite some time

Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

Harmless have been in this game from Day 1. We are a military alliance who make no apology for the fact that we intend to stay the #1 alliance for as long as we possibly can. We therefore play the long game and we track and remember as much info about people, alliances and events as it is possible to do in the vastness of Illyriad.


Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:21
Originally posted by Rorgash Rorgash wrote:

Hora, attacks has already been done including sieges against even Non-H? players

If you state so, please tell names and towns. I can see no sieges up against H? or RHY towns in the stats.


Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:23
yes, they want to stay one, BUT  "H? wanted to fight for nr1 they would have started a war with Crows years ago as Crows has been a lot bigger then H? for quite some time"

what i said was this war wasnt started only for this, ignoring the fact that Parts of Consone was first to join in the initial hostilities.

That they want to be biggest is nothing new or strange, Consone wants that aswell, so did they start this war to take H? place? 

its easy to spin..

BSH wants to be the biggest and baddest aswell, you dont see us warring left and right to do it :P


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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:24
Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

Originally posted by Rorgash Rorgash wrote:

Hora, attacks has already been done including sieges against even Non-H? players

If you state so, please tell names and towns. I can see no sieges up against H? or RHY towns in the stats.


Tooo many pages for forum posting -.- and i dont really feel that motivated to educate. but the reason as was stated by someone the first time a siege landed from Consone but they coudnt see it was because you dont let them siege you :P you break the siege within 1-2 hours after it lands easily. and they did this


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Posted By: Deranzin
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:35
Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:


On the one hand you want to keep playing your peacefull style of game and on the other hand you jumped on the bandwagon of the war part of the game that others (but not you) enjoy.

...from Consone side, I don't know anyone really enjoying to be in this war... after all, we still defend. We did neither want nor start it. We never sieged enemy towns, and to my knowledge, didn't even attack enemy towns yet, just camped armies so far...

Let us have some real humor with some actual meaning and an educational point, for a change : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKQlQlQ6_pk&feature=related" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKQlQlQ6_pk&feature=related

So my answer is within what Bernard said. Tongue

And yes maybe "consone" as a whole (if you ever manage to define it specifically) didn't start this war, but some of its parts did ... so do not play semantics with me please ... ;-p


Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:46
Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

...from Consone side, I don't know anyone really enjoying to be in this war... after all, we still defend. We did neither want nor start it. We never sieged enemy towns, and to my knowledge, didn't even attack enemy towns yet, just camped armies so far...

And yes "consone" didn't start this war, but some of its parts did ... so do not play semantics with me please ... ;-p

I didn't use semantics in my post above...

Further, I think I already stated about trigger points aren't the same as reasons.
And trigger point indeed had been a dispute around a mine.
But I don't think it can hold as a reason for a war H? against Consone, two blocks not even struggling for the mine...


Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:49
Originally posted by Rorgash Rorgash wrote:

Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

Originally posted by Rorgash Rorgash wrote:

Hora, attacks has already been done including sieges against even Non-H? players

If you state so, please tell names and towns. I can see no sieges up against H? or RHY towns in the stats.


Tooo many pages for forum posting -.- and i dont really feel that motivated to educate. but the reason as was stated by someone the first time a siege landed from Consone but they coudnt see it was because you dont let them siege you :P you break the siege within 1-2 hours after it lands easily. and they did this

Nice... throwing out accusations, but neither backing them up, nor giving information.
If you are against propaganda, please don't use it's tools in your posts.


Posted By: Deranzin
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:58
Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

I didn't use semantics in my post above...

Further, I think I already stated about trigger points aren't the same as reasons. 

And trigger point indeed had been a dispute around a mine.

Supposing we accept this as correct (it has been stated/explained many times that this in not so, but let us suppose it is) , then tell me, in your opinion, the true reasons of the ABSA attack on RHY, since that was simply a "trigger point".  Wink

What were they hoping to gain .?. 
Why did they attack a paltry 6000 troops which the alliance they rushed to help could have handled easily ALONE and in a matter that was already resolved diplomatically .?. 

I have yet to see a REASONABLE answer to this fairly simple question ... what is your opinion on the matter .?. 

Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

But I don't think it can hold as a reason for a war H? against Consone, two blocks not even struggling for the mine...

Well, I can't hold it as a reason for the entirety of Consone (even the parts that declare to be peaceful) declaring war against H?, either ... if you are going to claim of not playing semantics do try to be a bit more objective and state both ways of the conflict, please ... Tongue

EDIT : 

A small case study if you may ... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX_d_vMKswE&feature=related" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX_d_vMKswE&feature=related

watch it carefully it is very didactic and quite relevant to the situation at hand ... Smile



Posted By: Drejan
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 14:08
Not again please...


Posted By: Deranzin
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 14:14
Originally posted by Drejan Drejan wrote:

Not again please...

True ... all these topics eventually degenerate to something like that : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o3H0AtEylg&feature=related" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o3H0AtEylg&feature=related

... but I didn't start those sort of questions ... "I am merely defending myself" ... ahahaah Tongue Tongue 

Seriously though, to return to my original post, I really wonder why people even think that it matters how they paint the picture ... it is a war in a game for crying out loud, either enjoy the process or do not get into it and keep doing what you enjoy in the game ... fairly simple and obvious logic actually and I wonder why people fail to grasp it ... 


Posted By: Berylla
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 14:15
Plague? I smell a rat.

I like rats, they are smart... they would say "Plague? I smell a flea."

I don't know what the flea says... all it seem to do is jump and drink blood.

Opinion? No... just musings.


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Posted By: bansisdead
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 14:26
The flea would say "Plague, I smell a Yersinia Pestis bacterium"

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Posted By: Berylla
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 14:28
Originally posted by bansisdead bansisdead wrote:

The flea would say "Plague, I smell a Yersinia Pestis bacterium"

I didn't think fleas spoke latin, but I stand corrected.


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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 14:39
It's become clear that this horrible disease has progressed far enough in Nesse/Odd to start affecting his mind (and posts) - just adding to the issues already seen due to his split personality disorder.

The unfortunate truth here is that Harmless scientists (formerly of L'Oreal) have isolated the source of the contagion and are, as we speak, risking life and limb to eradicate it - one city at a time.

We had expected that the other victims of "Soup" (as the disease is now called) would try to swarm us, but it seems as though they are too lethargic to even leave their cities in aid of their afflicted comrade.


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Posted By: dunnoob
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 14:47
Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

after all, we still defend
...
Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

 didn't even attack enemy towns yet, just camped armies so far...
Still and so far. If it goes as in many big wars, and takes more than a year, both sides could try to disarm the opposition in their neighbourhood.  In hindsight, that can't be good for the three "global" alliances.  As soon as they are on somebody's side in a big territorial war they can lose what they had on the territorial side of their opposition.


Posted By: RatuJone
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 14:48
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

It's become clear that this horrible disease has progressed far enough in Nesse/Odd to start affecting his mind (and posts) - just adding to the issues already seen due to his split personality disorder.

The unfortunate truth here is that Harmless scientists (formerly of L'Oreal) have isolated the source of the contagion and are, as we speak, risking life and limb to eradicate it - one city at a time.

We had expected that the other victims of "Soup" (as the disease is now called) would try to swarm us, but it seems as though they are too lethargic to even leave their cities in aid of their afflicted comrade.

a definite case of Soupus Lethargicus  


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Posted By: Fenrisulven
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 14:49
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:


The unfortunate truth here is that Harmless scientists (formerly of L'Oreal) have isolated the source of the contagion and are, as we speak, risking life and limb to eradicate it - one city at a time.


Scientist from both the Agricultural Research Group of Harmless and the Urban Research Group of Harmless  (ARGH!, URGH!) have confirmed the findings cited by KP.



Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 15:09
Originally posted by Fenrisulven Fenrisulven wrote:

[QUOTE=KillerPoodle]

Scientist from both the Agricultural Research Group of Harmless and the Urban Research Group of Harmless  (ARGH!, URGH!) have confirmed the findings cited by KP.


Superb! Clap  When this war is over, I'm starting a new zombie alliance with leadership roles using these titles. 


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Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 15:33
Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

 
Superb! Clap  When this war is over, I'm starting a new zombie alliance with leadership roles using these titles. 
You mean Illy will have 2 Zombie alliances!  Yea!  Friends for RES.Hug


Posted By: Fenrisulven
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 16:01
We are currently commissioning a companion study to be done by the Horticulture, Agriculture and Resource Management Laboratory of Economic and Social Scientists 

(you should be able to figure this one out yourselves)


Posted By: saint4
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 16:18
Clever post.


Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 16:46
lmao! ClapLOL


Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 01:56
Im sorry but we cant have an YPM clip, nay, a clip from THE greatest episode without its greatest moment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA


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Posted By: Deranzin
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 08:16
Originally posted by Llyorn Of Jaensch Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:

Im sorry but we cant have an YPM clip, nay, a clip from THE greatest episode without its greatest moment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

True ! It is maybe my all time favorite TV moment ... trully inspired dialogue and amazing acting. :)


Posted By: Nesse
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2012 at 22:10

The Fairy Road Authority appreciate the efforts of Harmless? in trying to contain the plague. However, although the cleverness of their abbreviative leadership is laudable, their findings contradict conventional wisdom and seem to be quite unfounded. It is obviously difficult to build a research organisation from scratch in a short period of time and such mistakes are only to be expected. It is a good ambition, however, and we appreciate that turn of events.

On a more serious note, apparently the rumour of successful treatment of a few afflicted refugees has spread to the populace of Harmlosia, and crowds of desperate people of a multitude of professions have been crowding the Fairy Roads disaster relief planning office (FRDRPO) in Willowglade, Norweld, offering to aid in the campaign against the plague and requesting asylum from what they describe as a “terribly dangerous situation back home”. Because many of the occupations represented were quite unconstructive and even directly harmful(!) to society at large and the host town in particular, quite a few individuals have been directed to make-shift shelters in rural areas where they undergo re-educational programs. Indeed, some have already started out as freehold cotters and farmers in the general vicinity of Willowglade, the majority unfortunately without pledging allegiance to the town that selflessly helped them. Also, as can be seen by the growth rate of surrounding towns, quite a few have also found new homes in un-afflicted neighbour communities. So far, to reduce the risk of contamination of those towns, the small disinfection team of the essentially administrative facility in Willowglade has been increased dramatically by volunteers from other establishments in the town. Unfortunately, this combined with the general difficulty of handling such large numbers of refugees have dangerously decreased the population working in traditional trades in the town. The Willowglade department of health and safety has expressed serious concern that not enough staff remains at our hospitals, overfilled as they are with malnourished and weakened travellers from virtually all of Fenrisulvens, as well as several other kingdoms within the H? alliance that have failed to heed the quarantine.

Since direct communication with Harmless? officers have been largely futile and as in this case sometimes quite counterproductive, we hereby plead to all literate persons among the Harmlosian population: Please explain to your neighbours and townsmen that they must not leave your hometown! Direct them also to follow the pictorial instructions on the fertiliser and disinfection packages that are being sent to selected Harmless? towns by courtesy of the Fairy Road Authority. We realise that it is difficult to get through with sufficiently detailed instructions to such an undereducated and desperately malnourished population now also in the vicious grasp of a devastating plague, but for humanitarian reasons we must make that effort. It is easy to understand the desperation of these poor Harmlosians but although we want to do our utmost in support of any serious effort to counter the plague, we just cannot handle such large influx of refugees. Please do NOT travel to Fairy Road towns!

And finally, a plea to the general populace of Elgea: Do help contain the plague to Harmlosian soil. The plague instances we have observed so far is mainly caused by inferior soil over-fertilised by Trove fertiliser, although the malnutrition that followed has also caused outbreak of other illnesses. Do help contain the plague by isolating Harmless? communities. Trade is, as pointed out, always dangerous, but we need to support by sending fresh Trove-free soil to the towns.

The spreading of the plague has been slowed by valiant effort of a large number of volunteers, and although the plague seem to have spread to some of Harmless? confederate alliances that were not taking appropriate measures, containment efforts have been essentially successful. There is thus no need for the Elgean populace at large to panic and the risk of contamination is small, as long as the appropriate preventive measures are followed as instructed. To reiterate, pursuant to section 11 of the Bees Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. B.6 (hereinafter "the Act") and the power delegated to me by the Minister of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs, I hereby declare the quarantine area still being the entire Harmless? alliance. In addition, caution must be observed when interacting with members of alliances closely affiliated with Harmless? because they have apparently often been somewhat lax in observing preventive measures. Still, standard pyromagical disinfection procedures should be sufficient in such occasions.

Odd, Chief Road Coordinator



Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2012 at 22:57
Originally posted by Nesse Nesse wrote:

Still, standard pyromagical disinfection procedures should be sufficient in such occasions.

Finally a use for all those mages I employ!   I'll train them as a medi team right away.... Clap



Posted By: Loud Whispers
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2012 at 23:35
"Did you pack your caravans yourself?"
"Did you have your goods attended at all times?"
"What business do you have here?"
"Is it possible that you may have Harmful! diseases on board?"


Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2012 at 02:45
To all citizens of the central and southern regions of Elgea,

I am currently unable to verify this with documentation but I have personally seen isolated cases of diseased citizens of Elgea become completely disease free in the cold climes of Ursor. Some of the "calmer" infected wretches, while having met with an unfortunate death from a quick and large drop in body temperature seemed to have died after their poor, pustule riddled bodies healed in a miraculous manner. While the circumstances of their deaths may have been somewhat... sinister, I assure the readers of this extremely helpful thread that I had nothing to do with it.

I'm not saying any and all infected patients should be immediately care-a-van-ed up into the colder climates of Ursor, Wolgast and such but perhaps if southern campfires were doused and the clothes of the possibly sick taken, perhaps that could help ward off the infection. Cold and naked citizens may be immune to infection but we will not know until we try.

Also, I think it is quite safe for anyone wishing to interact with Harmless? members (though this is clearly not contained to just H? territory as the Coordinator would have us believe) to do so here in Ursor and other northern regions. I will personally be happy to make anyone fearful of this plague both cold and naked.

Thank you for your attention,
Bonfyr Verboo
Magikal Kingdom ~ TLR

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Posted By: Nesse
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2012 at 05:34
By the authority delegated to me by the Minister of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs, and pursuant to relevant sections of the Bees Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. B.6 (hereinafter "the Act"), I hereby declare a state of emergency and officially appoint ropadope H?ead quarantinist and thus responsible for taking adequate measures to contain the spreading plague.

The main reason for this appointment is that the plague could become a significant problem in endemic areas when there are social upheavals, crowding and unhygienic conditions. The H?ead quarantinist is thus fully authorist to command any elgean citicen to take plague preventive actions as deemed appropriate by the H?ead quarantinist, including the following International measures:

International measures:

1) Telepathic notification within 24 hours by governments to FRDRPO and to adjacent countries of the first imported, first transferred or first non-imported case of plague in any area previously free of the disease. Report newly discovered or reactivated foci of plague among H?armlosians or other Elgean citizenry.

2) Measures applicable to ships, air and land transport arriving from plague areas are specified in International Health Regulations. These regulations are being revised, but the new regulations will not be in effect until the year 2010 or sooner.

3) All ships, including mammoth pulled desert ships should be free of rodents or periodically deratted and pyromagically cleansed.

4) Rat proof and appropriately warded buildings at seaports and airports; apply appropriate insecticide and disinfective spells after first making sure that sentient beings are evacuated; eliminate rats by having effective rodenticide spells continuously in effect.

5) For international travelers, international regulations require that prior to their departure on an international voyage from an area where there is an epidemic of pulmonary plague, those suspected of significant exposure shall be placed in isolation for 6 days after last exposure. On arrival of an infested or suspected infested ship, or an infested aircraft, or any individuals suspectedly teleported from plague ridden areas, travelers may be disinsected and kept under surveillance for a period of no more than 6 days from the date of arrival. Immunization against plague cannot be required as a condition of admission to a territory.

6) All travellers are urged to travel with a certified disinfectionist mage, and have appropriate cleansing spells cast on any suspicion of infection.


PS
We apologise for the unfortunate and unintentional typographical error in the title of H?ead quarantinist, but it is apparently due to a very old so called "bug". We do not consider this systemic error to be connected to the plague, however.


Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2012 at 00:26
In opposition to Roads rule I traded with H? and will keep doing so.

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Posted By: patoloco569
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2012 at 07:59
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

We had expected that the other victims of "Soup" (as the disease is now called) would try to swarm us, but it seems as though they are too lethargic to even leave their cities in aid of their afflicted comrade.

Which is odd, because......"soup" is what you normally give to make people feel better.  I guess in this case, it is not....  Big smileLOL 


Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 21:58
Originally posted by patoloco569 patoloco569 wrote:

Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

We had expected that the other victims of "Soup" (as the disease is now called) would try to swarm us, but it seems as though they are too lethargic to even leave their cities in aid of their afflicted comrade.

Which is odd, because......"soup" is what you normally give to make people feel better.  I guess in this case, it is not....  Big smileLOL 

Effective medicine never is tasty Wink.


Posted By: Nokigon
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2012 at 18:33
.....It's a game?


Posted By: GM Luna
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2012 at 18:38
Post with references to real life politics and.... Nazis.... removed. These forums are a Godwin's Law free zone.

Luna


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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2012 at 22:36
Does this mean you are Goering to get out the ban hammer?

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Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2012 at 23:03
...I don't understand that post by KP...  was that aimed at Luna, or at the former poster? Confused

Perhaps the sense of this might be hidden in missing commas, or something, else I would really be shocked about such a comparison....  

If it was against you, Luna, feel free to delete both posts... (this one along KPs, as it would be redundant then ...)


Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2012 at 23:08
Do they not have puns where you live?

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Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2012 at 00:19
Ehm...  I do know about puns...  but those normally are understandable and have some kind of niveau....    and your so called "pun" lacks both...   Confused

Further, my post above had been a question, as I really was struggling with the grammar in there... but I seem to have got it right in the first go  Cry


Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2012 at 01:36
Honey puns.  You got the cutest little Honey Puns.

^^ That's a song, right?


Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2012 at 02:40
Well - if you Camembert that kind of joke I guess I'll have to choose my puns more Caerphilly so as to avoid curds like you getting cheesed off.   Anyway - no wheyting around for me ricotta go. 

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Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2012 at 03:42
Wow, KP! That's a feta accomplis!

(and sorry for the BRIEf post...)


Posted By: Ossian
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2012 at 09:23
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

Well - if you Camembert that kind of joke I guess I'll have to choose my puns more Caerphilly so as to avoid curds like you getting cheesed off.   Anyway - no wheyting around for me ricotta go. 
 
 
Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

Wow, KP! That's a feta accomplis!

(and sorry for the BRIEf post...)
 
If this evidence of the need for quarantine . i don't know what is. LOL


Posted By: Createure
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2012 at 09:25
Edam it you know i'm quite fondu of both of you but you're really starting to grate...


Posted By: bansisdead
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2012 at 10:07
Brie-lliant,  I port salut all you cheese kings.  There are some interesting posts too read, but there are stiltons to read fromages ago, this is going to be a gruyere task, im all cheesed out.

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Posted By: GM Luna
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2012 at 14:47
This thread is just spam now. Closing.

Luna


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