EE / Consone Agression
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Topic: EE / Consone Agression
Posted By: tansiraine
Subject: EE / Consone Agression
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 17:52
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Ok this is from my point of view no one else but me. When i heard about the war I was very upset I went to my leadership about having friends in Consone and i was uncomfortable with being aggressive towards those people and alliances. H? completely Understood and worked with me to stay neutral against those alliances during this time. Those 3 alliances stated if I stay neutral towards their members i would not be attacked or have any aggressive recourse. *** edited for wording*** Needless to say today i have had 120 scout wave hit 3 of my cities From EE. I have spoken and email to the leadership of EE already once cause of scouting early in this war. I was told it would not happen again. Now mind you yes my cities are intertwined with EE from when I was a member with them. Now I am extremely upset since my alliance is being considerate enough to let me remain neutral to EE because of of my past history in EE. ***edited for wording**** I have in game people i consider friends in many alliances there are still some in EE. My only concern is the overly aggressive behavior in EE when in the beginning they were a peaceful alliance. Now they just seem to be pushy and mean. What has happened to the people i knew that started the alliance. You wanted to be different and you are not you are behaving in the same matter that caused EE to be formed. The sad thing is EE's word can not be trusted anymore... this started back before I left and was one of the reasons why i left EE. All you have in a game like this is your word and standing behind it. I for one mourn for EE. |
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Posted By: scaramouche
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 18:05
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sorry to hear that Tan...but they said it wont happen again... so wait and see....and war does make ppl a bit head strong and make rash decisions..hope it goes ok for you ------------- NO..I dont do the Fandango! |
Posted By: Turgor
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 18:41
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Tansi - information gathering on potential hostile targets so strategically placed as yourself is not aggressive. It is a fact of war. We are entitled to ensure our boundaries are secure. If you feel uncomfortable with the fact that one of your EX-alliances is taking care of itself due to your ties, and you seek neutrality, you have the option to remove yourself from this war in a similar vein to some other ex-members of H? If not, that can only be taken as a statement you intend on not remaining neutral to other members of Consone, and any argument of neutrality is therefore null and void. You are no longer in EE. You have no say in the trustworthyness of members you left in the way you did. Please refrain from doing so. There is no reason for your mourning, or indeed this whole thread. EE is a strong alliance and will continue to grow and be strong. |
Posted By: ES2
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 18:56
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Why is being scouted by an alliance at war with your current alliance deemed aggression? It's war, I would imagine if you don't want anyone looking over in your direction during war that you should leave the alliance in war with each other. The idea that even in war, the fighting alliances should only hit targets who want to be hit is puzzling to me.. ------------- Eternal Fire |
Posted By: Loud Whispers
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 19:03
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ES2 wrote:Posted By: ES2
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 19:05
Depends on how you look at it, a civilian making ammunition for the war? a civilian creating weapons for the war? ------------- Eternal Fire |
Posted By: Glognar
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 19:17
Are they civilians? They are not providing any aid what so ever to any other person involved in the war? Including selling/buying anything on the market ------------- 
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Posted By: ES2
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 19:30
That is what I asked, if they are truly remaining neutral in an alliance in a war against someone else, why are they in that alliance? ------------- Eternal Fire |
Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 19:34
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You've already gotten an apology and a "it wont happen again." But you made this post anyway... why? What are you hoping to get out of it? do you want payment for your losses? How much damage did the scouts do? How much gold will it take to replace all of your troops you lost, and the resources that have been stolen? ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/45534" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: tansiraine
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 19:48
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that was the first time it happened... this is the second time it happened. Yes we are at war i understand that. Damage nothing it is the fact that the word of EE can not be trusted. End of conversation. yes i am upset and cranky |
Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 19:57
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ahhh so you posted this because you are upset at E.E. for scouting an warring enemy city that is in their territory, and you want to deteriorate E.E.'s public image by telling the rest of the community that no one can trust them. I would think that insulting someone on the forums, saying they can't be trusted at all, and declaring your intent to remain in the alliance they are at war with is a much more hostile and aggressive action than sending scouts. But wait, that doesn't make sense. You said you were staying out of all of this war business and remaining neutral. You just insulted the friends you were trying to avoid attacking in the first place. That doesn't really go with the neutral thing you were talking about.
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Posted By: tansiraine
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 20:24
| So being upset and venting cause someones word was broken is the same as sending scouts? gotcha... i will remember that for the future. thank you for the clarification on that |
Posted By: Hadus
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 20:32
Since you appear more interested in sarcastic replies than re-establishing your point, I'll make it for you:
Tansiraine is not upset he was scouted, he is upset that he was scouted, then told directly by EE that it wouldn't happen again, then he was scouted again. Now, there are many plausible situations here, so I wouldn't instantly conclude that EE is untrustworthy, but he does bring up a valid point, even if he quickly became too defensive to clarify it. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/157483" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Granek
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 23:02
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In all of these threads, a number of people seem to be forgetting quite an important fact: this is a GAME! You can be friends with someone, and still nuke their ass back into the stone age. When I play with RL friends, the first rule I work on is that I can't trust a word that they will say concerning their intentions towards me.  Illy is a weird place, where a lot of people seem to take things personally. The only thing I can put that down to is the fact that they can chat to each other in-game and via the forums, and it builds 'relationships' that can blur the game boundaries.
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Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 23:10
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Members in Invictus and Sages, and most likely in all other Consone alliances were adviced to target only those players sending blights, diplos and armies towards us. I'm sorry, if a member of our confederation chose to scout you, but hey, it really is only scout. Be asured we don't intend to hit players not aggressive towards us.
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Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 23:36
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H? know how to pick theirs, like Tullernas : http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Map Quote from her profile page: "Elves are elusive creatures that like forests, nature and do not like fighting. So friends to all." Coolest town is to be rezzed just because it's easy isolated target |
Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 23:41
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Yes, Grego. We sadly only can state, how Consone chooses targets. Let's hope we never sink to that level...
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Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 23:45
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Bradik who sent latest attack on my city have very strict personal policy in his profile: 3. Generic herbs/hides/minerals
4. Rare herbs/hides/minerals (the real dicey one)
Just be fair and fight for your supremacy, I would respect you more without your "metagaming". |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 23:54
Oh. Excuse us. One of the leaders of an alliance that declares war on us who lives on top of us shouldn't be touched because of their profile. Silly H? For targeting leaders... |
Posted By: Bradik
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 00:59
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Grego, I'm glad to see you've learned to copy/paste. I see great things for you in your future......great things. |
Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 01:05
Some german polititians became Doctor this way
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Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 01:13
lmao |
Posted By: Arian
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 17:04
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The heading of this thread is EE/Consone Aggression. So I thought I would check on the facts surrounding the aggressive moves. In chronological order 1.RHY declared War on Absa, over Absa removing RHY troops (with prior notification as I understand it, so any troop losses were due to RHY not sending a messenger) 2 tiles away from a city belong to Absa's ally SkB, and sent sieges to Absa towns (maybe an overreaction to avoidable troop losses?). 2.Absa asked for help in breaking sieges, not in any aggressive moves on RHY towns, Invictus was closest and decided to help in siege breaking only. 3.H? decided that Invictus breaking sieges was aggressive (Ummm - run that past me again?) and sent in sieges themselves and reinforcement troops to RHY siege camps sieging Absa towns. 4.H? decided that sieging Absa wasn't enough so declared war on Invictus and Absa (read the post by KP about why they declared war - very little, if anything, to do with the events between RHY and Absa - almost entirely some suppositions about possible future motives of Consone and some dredging up of irrelevant ancient history from before I, and probably most people, were even on the server). 5.Everyone else piled in on whichever side they were allied or had diplomatic ties to. 6. So far all the aggressive moves have been H? sieges on Consone affiliated members, I haven't seen any mention of anyone from H? being attacked and I have been looking. Scouting to see if someone in your neighbourhood (on the opposite side) is arming for war isn't, under the circumstances, an aggressive move; more one of determining local threat levels. I am assuming this is due to Consone being made made up of non aggressive alliances, doubtless others can and will draw other conclusions. All mentions of bullying etc have been after the events which sparked the conflict off, in nearly all cases they only got mentioned after H? declared War. I have scoured the forums for posts regarding Consone bullying dated before the current events and have failed to find any. H? consistently and continuously refers to Consone as soup - a gratuitous and somewhat childish insult. I am as yet unaware of any similar insults being tossed at H? Might seem trivial but slinging around such insults is the mark of a playground bully and doesn't reflect well on H? All of the above can be seen by checking dates and times on diplomacy pages and reading the forum CAREFULLY whilst ignoring all the rhetoric. To the outsider dispassionately looking on I don't see any evidence of EE/Consone behaving aggressively at all. ------------- 'Do you want ice with that?' |
Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 17:22
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lmao, you just keep repeating that story and maybe, just maybe, someone will believe it. Spin, spin, spin. -10 I'm sorry, that was another failure. Try again. :D ------------- CEO, Harmless? Founder of Toothless? "Truth never dies." -HonoredMule |
Posted By: Tatharion
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 17:23
The EE/Consone Aggression?? LMAO  Tansiraine, you have quite a bit of nerve considering I am today on the receiving end of a couple of inbound military assault from....Tansiraine!! I am not sure we have been formally introduced actually; My name is Tatharion, Trade Senator at Invictus. I wish we had been able to meet in different circumstances! I can't recall that I have displayed any aggressive behavior toward you in the past! The brainwashing on your end is getting so intense that you might end up believing what you keep repeating yourselves! Kind regards, Tatharion ------------- Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong. |
Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 22:08
Ditto for your side Starry but tis a war so this is what war brings.
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Posted By: Gon
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 23:28
Hmm, this makes it sound like this isn't what happened. This seems to be the only story I've seem to come across after reading the seemingly unending war treads (although each side portrays their actions as reasonable, while the actions of the other side are just overly aggressive). If there is more to the story I would be very interested in hearing it. |
Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 01:45
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I find it highly amusing that consone members will come in hear and bad mouth and H? player for saying this while their members are saying why they are being attacked in the middle of a war. |
Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 01:46
Yea i remember that one. In the consone mutal defense pack or whatever you want to call it. Not one person came to assist her.
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Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 04:51
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Ehm, maybe it's because it is at the far side of the world, with most armies taking many DAYS to arrive.... Further, those all so bright enemies keep sending out attack on attack (many of them feints) to most players. We DO defend against many sieges right now, but even Consone isn't almighty!
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Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 05:33
| Thats correct everyone comes to the assistance of VIC. and well if the 'lower' alliances gets attacked well they can just fend for themselves. |
Posted By: Aurordan
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 05:56
What's even funnier is when you realize that H? members are doing the exact same thing. It completely dispels the illusion that any of the races are creatures of logic.
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